I don’t have a problem with Aromasin either… depending on prices, I’d recommend Aromasin or Adex interchangeably.
Altogether your cycle looks pretty damn solid. The only recommendation I might have is starting your tren around week 6 and cutting it off at 10. Give you a couple weeks tren free before recovery.
Regarding nolva… I can’t imagine you’d need it with a proper dose of AI on cycle if necessary.
World
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
2thepain wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Looks like a great cycle, though personally, I don’t like aromasin much.
Bushy
For what reason do you dislike aromasin? I am guessing you prefer Adex?
Aromasin never seemed to control estrogen in me whatsoever, but it is possible (though unlikely) that my powder was ‘off’.
Bushy[/quote]
Just in case I have issues with estrogen and aromasin I still have half a bottle of adex on hand. My doses are low enough that I don’t foresee any problems but you never know.
[quote]2thepain wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
2thepain wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Looks like a great cycle, though personally, I don’t like aromasin much.
Bushy
For what reason do you dislike aromasin? I am guessing you prefer Adex?
Aromasin never seemed to control estrogen in me whatsoever, but it is possible (though unlikely) that my powder was ‘off’.
Bushy
Just in case I have issues with estrogen and aromasin I still have half a bottle of adex on hand. My doses are low enough that I don’t foresee any problems but you never know.[/quote]
Man it looks like an excellent choice of compounds and amounts of each too. I'm interested to know how it goes with the Asin buddy. For longer duration cycles I am leaning towards using it myself for the lower lipid negatives over Adex, if it works just as well. So far I've read of a few of the guys here, Jelly, etc, using it and really liking it. I'll be curious to know how it works for you on this one.
ToneBone
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
2thepain wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
2thepain wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Looks like a great cycle, though personally, I don’t like aromasin much.
Bushy
For what reason do you dislike aromasin? I am guessing you prefer Adex?
Aromasin never seemed to control estrogen in me whatsoever, but it is possible (though unlikely) that my powder was ‘off’.
Bushy
Just in case I have issues with estrogen and aromasin I still have half a bottle of adex on hand. My doses are low enough that I don’t foresee any problems but you never know.
Man it looks like an excellent choice of compounds and amounts of each too. I'm interested to know how it goes with the Asin buddy. For longer duration cycles I am leaning towards using it myself for the lower lipid negatives over Adex, if it works just as well. So far I've read of a few of the guys here, Jelly, etc, using it and really liking it. I'll be curious to know how it works for you on this one.
ToneBone[/quote]
I too am looking forward to the results from the aromasin. It appears to be a healthier choice in the long run. However this being a lower dosed cycle it will not be a tough test as far as estrogen control goes. But if all goes well I will use it again in winter when the androgens are at a heavy dose.
What’s so unhealthy about adex i’ll be running it for three month’s myself.
I don’t know a whole lot about anabolic’s but good luck with your cycle.
judge
Late to the party, sorry.
2thepain a few questions and comments inter-mixed:
Have you used Tren before? Usually Tren rookies are not encouraged to start with Enanthate. Also for my liking 12 weeks of Tren is a long time, regardless of the fact your dosage is mild. Which brings me back to the first question about your prior Tren usage. Since Tren is the bigger brother of the nor-19 family I’m wondering how the sides were for you with your previous usage? If by chance you don’t have Tren experience, you might want to tweak the 12 weeks of Tren E idea a bit.
I’m with World in supporting the Aromasin decision. Having used both Dex and Sin, sin was not as harsh on my system, specifically my cholestrol which was a concern as well as my joint mobility. 20mg a day sounds a tad high to me. If you get RJ’s stuff then seriously 1/4cc or 6.25mg EOD ought to be more than plenty. As always I’m not a fan of intentionally starting AI’s with less than a gram of highly aromatizable gear. In your case with the Mast and Tren I think you could skate along until you feel you need it. Then EOD 6.25mg and adjust from there.
I too don’t think you need 30mg of Nolva at the end there either. 20mg is plenty
Overall not too bad though. You’ve got a wide selection although your individual dosages are low per se. Big picture though you are over a gram a week so the gains should be there.
I’m not sure that I mentioned it before, but this cycle seems to be a quite nice idea.
The only thing that concerns me is such a long dose cycle for the tren-- 12 weeks seems a bit intense even with your PCT style.
One thing I haven’t made my mind up on though is your nolvadex usage. On one hand, this is a mild dose of androgens for a guy your size and with the goals you have in mind. On the other hand, you’re running a 19nor for such a long period, and therefore nolvadex might give you that extra kick you need in your recovery even though you will go with the stasis and taper method. Normally I reserve nolva during stasis and taper only when gyno is present, but in your situation it might prove useful.
Something else for you to consider is the fact you may be running a low dose of tren, esp. for someone with your size and AAS experience if I remember correctly, but then again you are running it for 12 weeks and we both know full well all the asin and adex in the world won’t do bit for gyno. Something you might consider is investing in some cabergoline… just in case. RJ’s little business has some top notch stuff in case you’ve never had any experience with it. Pricey, but definitely something you might want around, and there’s a large amount so it should last you for your future tren voyages.
Just a few thoughts, I’m sure I will have more in the near future.
World
Sadly RJ has not carried caber in many many months
Really? Well that sucks… I was smart and stocked up a while back…
World
Smart indeed. Many of us were not. Can’t seem to get an answer from RJ on whether caber is ever coming back either
[quote]sapasion wrote:
Late to the party, sorry.
2thepain a few questions and comments inter-mixed:
Have you used Tren before? Usually Tren rookies are not encouraged to start with Enanthate. Also for my liking 12 weeks of Tren is a long time, regardless of the fact your dosage is mild. Which brings me back to the first question about your prior Tren usage. Since Tren is the bigger brother of the nor-19 family I’m wondering how the sides were for you with your previous usage? If by chance you don’t have Tren experience, you might want to tweak the 12 weeks of Tren E idea a bit.
I’m with World in supporting the Aromasin decision. Having used both Dex and Sin, sin was not as harsh on my system, specifically my cholestrol which was a concern as well as my joint mobility. 20mg a day sounds a tad high to me. If you get RJ’s stuff then seriously 1/4cc or 6.25mg EOD ought to be more than plenty. As always I’m not a fan of intentionally starting AI’s with less than a gram of highly aromatizable gear. In your case with the Mast and Tren I think you could skate along until you feel you need it. Then EOD 6.25mg and adjust from there.
I too don’t think you need 30mg of Nolva at the end there either. 20mg is plenty
Overall not too bad though. You’ve got a wide selection although your individual dosages are low per se. Big picture though you are over a gram a week so the gains should be there.[/quote]
My last cycle consisted of tren e at 600mg/week for 10 weeks. I dropped the dose to 500mg/week after week 6 due to inability to keep calorie intake high enough. I experienced other sides as well; i.e. lethargy, insomnia and some rather nasty night sweats. I was hoping the lower dose would alleviate some of these but you are not the first to suggest I lower the duration. So unless convinced otherwise I will run the tren weeks 1-10 instead of 12. The use of Asin is a first for myself and I was unsure of the dosage. I am a big fan of RJs so I’ll take your advise and run 1/4 cc eod. Honestly I probably don’t even need an AI during this cycle to prevent gyno but I want overall estrogen under control during this cutting phase.
As far as the nolv goes, would it hurt to start with the 30 and then taper down to nothing? Or is it simply not going to help any further. During my PCT I try to get as much boost as possible, hence the addition of peptides during.
Thanks for checking in.
I don’t know that nolvadex is necessity in this situation, but IMHO it certainly could not hurt. Also, you could go ahead and drop that dosage down to 20mg ED fo 3-4 weeks, perhaps during your stasis would be the best time period. I never have seen the sense in taper nolva personally.
Speaking from past experience, you will like the Asin.
World
[quote]2thepain wrote:
sapasion wrote:
Late to the party, sorry.
2thepain a few questions and comments inter-mixed:
Have you used Tren before? Usually Tren rookies are not encouraged to start with Enanthate. Also for my liking 12 weeks of Tren is a long time, regardless of the fact your dosage is mild. Which brings me back to the first question about your prior Tren usage. Since Tren is the bigger brother of the nor-19 family I’m wondering how the sides were for you with your previous usage? If by chance you don’t have Tren experience, you might want to tweak the 12 weeks of Tren E idea a bit.
I’m with World in supporting the Aromasin decision. Having used both Dex and Sin, sin was not as harsh on my system, specifically my cholestrol which was a concern as well as my joint mobility. 20mg a day sounds a tad high to me. If you get RJ’s stuff then seriously 1/4cc or 6.25mg EOD ought to be more than plenty. As always I’m not a fan of intentionally starting AI’s with less than a gram of highly aromatizable gear. In your case with the Mast and Tren I think you could skate along until you feel you need it. Then EOD 6.25mg and adjust from there.
I too don’t think you need 30mg of Nolva at the end there either. 20mg is plenty
Overall not too bad though. You’ve got a wide selection although your individual dosages are low per se. Big picture though you are over a gram a week so the gains should be there.
My last cycle consisted of tren e at 600mg/week for 10 weeks. I dropped the dose to 500mg/week after week 6 due to inability to keep calorie intake high enough. I experienced other sides as well; i.e. lethargy, insomnia and some rather nasty night sweats. I was hoping the lower dose would alleviate some of these but you are not the first to suggest I lower the duration. So unless convinced otherwise I will run the tren weeks 1-10 instead of 12. The use of Asin is a first for myself and I was unsure of the dosage. I am a big fan of RJs so I’ll take your advise and run 1/4 cc eod. Honestly I probably don’t even need an AI during this cycle to prevent gyno but I want overall estrogen under control during this cutting phase.
As far as the nolv goes, would it hurt to start with the 30 and then taper down to nothing? Or is it simply not going to help any further. During my PCT I try to get as much boost as possible, hence the addition of peptides during.
Thanks for checking in.[/quote]
pm me for a decent source for the caber at a really good price 2the. Or better yet, check your pm box now buddy. I am pondering the choice on adex and asin myself...The Asin certainly sounds like a better choice when it comes to our health, and here are two guys we can trust saying it works nicely for estro control, so that may be the tipping point for me finally. Anywho, pm'ing you now.
ToneBone
looks similar to the cycle i should be starting soon except that I am going 8 weeks at a slightly lower dose and using short acting versions of each. also using adex instead of asin. otherwise very similar though. I had toyed with the idea of starting the tren 2 weeks in so I could get a feeling for the difference it makes.
[quote]World1187 wrote:
I don’t know that nolvadex is necessity in this situation, but IMHO it certainly could not hurt. Also, you could go ahead and drop that dosage down to 20mg ED fo 3-4 weeks, perhaps during your stasis would be the best time period. I never have seen the sense in taper nolva personally.
Speaking from past experience, you will like the Asin.
World[/quote]
So you think that the optimal time to use the nolv is during the stasis and not the actual taper? I thought I read otherwise in a taper thread, but I could be wrong as it has happened before.
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
2thepain wrote:
sapasion wrote:
Late to the party, sorry.
2thepain a few questions and comments inter-mixed:
Have you used Tren before? Usually Tren rookies are not encouraged to start with Enanthate. Also for my liking 12 weeks of Tren is a long time, regardless of the fact your dosage is mild. Which brings me back to the first question about your prior Tren usage. Since Tren is the bigger brother of the nor-19 family I’m wondering how the sides were for you with your previous usage? If by chance you don’t have Tren experience, you might want to tweak the 12 weeks of Tren E idea a bit.
I’m with World in supporting the Aromasin decision. Having used both Dex and Sin, sin was not as harsh on my system, specifically my cholestrol which was a concern as well as my joint mobility. 20mg a day sounds a tad high to me. If you get RJ’s stuff then seriously 1/4cc or 6.25mg EOD ought to be more than plenty. As always I’m not a fan of intentionally starting AI’s with less than a gram of highly aromatizable gear. In your case with the Mast and Tren I think you could skate along until you feel you need it. Then EOD 6.25mg and adjust from there.
I too don’t think you need 30mg of Nolva at the end there either. 20mg is plenty
Overall not too bad though. You’ve got a wide selection although your individual dosages are low per se. Big picture though you are over a gram a week so the gains should be there.
My last cycle consisted of tren e at 600mg/week for 10 weeks. I dropped the dose to 500mg/week after week 6 due to inability to keep calorie intake high enough. I experienced other sides as well; i.e. lethargy, insomnia and some rather nasty night sweats. I was hoping the lower dose would alleviate some of these but you are not the first to suggest I lower the duration. So unless convinced otherwise I will run the tren weeks 1-10 instead of 12. The use of Asin is a first for myself and I was unsure of the dosage. I am a big fan of RJs so I’ll take your advise and run 1/4 cc eod. Honestly I probably don’t even need an AI during this cycle to prevent gyno but I want overall estrogen under control during this cutting phase.
As far as the nolv goes, would it hurt to start with the 30 and then taper down to nothing? Or is it simply not going to help any further. During my PCT I try to get as much boost as possible, hence the addition of peptides during.
Thanks for checking in.
pm me for a decent source for the caber at a really good price 2the. Or better yet, check your pm box now buddy. I am pondering the choice on adex and asin myself...The Asin certainly sounds like a better choice when it comes to our health, and here are two guys we can trust saying it works nicely for estro control, so that may be the tipping point for me finally. Anywho, pm'ing you now.
ToneBone
[/quote]
That is the cheapest caber I have ever seen. It appears almost too good to be true.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
2thepain wrote:
World1187 wrote:
I don’t know that nolvadex is necessity in this situation, but IMHO it certainly could not hurt. Also, you could go ahead and drop that dosage down to 20mg ED fo 3-4 weeks, perhaps during your stasis would be the best time period. I never have seen the sense in taper nolva personally.
Speaking from past experience, you will like the Asin.
World
So you think that the optimal time to use the nolv is during the stasis and not the actual taper? I thought I read otherwise in a taper thread, but I could be wrong as it has happened before.
At 100mg/wk you will still be fully suppressed, so nolva or other SERM would likely be a waste IMO, since you might ‘start’ you natural test production, only to have it ‘stop’ again due to high exo levels. Well that’s not how it works but serves for illustration purposes, haha.
However, during the taper, the SERM will encorage the body to hustle its ass into restarting natural production, that little bit faster and with greater confidence for the user.
That’s my opinion anyway, though others may disagree.
Bushy[/quote]
This is how I understood the introduction of SERMs into the taper would work. Maybe I read a past Bushy post but I thought I heard it from a Prisoner post.
I still like the Nolva idea during the taper. Speaking as someone who did Nolva only as a my PCT more than once it does have merit.