Injections Tapering Off

Pharma TRT
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44 next month, 70", 220 lbs, fairly strong for my age, 290 bench. About 6 months ago I had Doc check my t levels. 311. Asked him for t therapy because I had no energy and low libido. He put me on Androgel. I tried that and it seemed to work a little. But my job has me outside all day and I was sweating a lot. By about 2 or 3 in the afternoon I would crash.

I called the makers of AG and they said that could happen if you sweat a lot. I went back to the doc and he put me on injections, 50mg every two weeks. At first it was great. Lots of energy, erections every morning like I was in high school. But a week or two ago it started tapering off. I thought it could be one of a few things that was causing it:

  1. I had been doing 30mg daily of Havoc for about 2-3weeks and I came off of it.

  2. I was getting used to the t shots.

  3. The last shot I gave myself I did incorrectly. When I pulled the needle out of my butt, blood and the t dribbled out and I think not very much went in the muscle. (2 days ago I gave myself another shot in the correct place and I checked to make sure I didn’t hit a vein).

Also, during that initially good period, I could feel a real high, zesty kind of energy in my chest, like I was superman and nothing could get me down. I have had mild depression or down periods before and this was better than any other thing I had taken for it. But during this past week, when I feel like it wasn’t there, the good feelings have also faded.

So…

Can I go back on Havoc (or a clone) or will that screw things up? I have down PH cycles in the past with good results (never done steroids), or should I stay away from PH/PS as long as I am on t shots?

I doubt my doc will buy into upping my dosage. Should I pay out of pocket for a lab test and find a HRT doctor in the area that will prescribe higher doses for me? I do not want to do anything other than get them legally, even if that means I cannot get them.

Should I not worry about the “feeling” part of it and disregard that as something that does nto matter? I do know that yesterday and today I did take 40mg of Havoc just to see if I got that energy feeling back and I in fact did get it back.

Sorry if this is in the wrong forum. I didn’t know which would be the most appropriate.

Thanks for any help.

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I can tell you that this is a really bad idea, you can’t just start and stop PH (which converts to a steroid inside you - also it’s an oral which is really rough on your liver).

I think you need to make a choice if you really need TRT and if so, find a new doctor that will put you on the Protocol For Injections (see sticky).

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Hi Bomber,

Most of the information you are asking for is in the stickies. Have you read those?

Did you see the part about:
– how shots every other week can mess you up? (twice weekly is best practice)
– how T replacement is usually life long?
– how most men need some sort of estrogen control to stop excess aromitase? (most feel good to start with but then go downhill fast once their Estradiol shoots up)
– how most people with hormone imbalances have more than one thing wrong with them (like Thyroid, Vitamin D, etc.)?
– how 50mg every two weeks is enough to shut down your own production of T, but not enough to put your levels where they should be?

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Bomber: The problem is your doctor. A case of bad doctor is a common affliction.

Basic protocol:
100mg/week test cyp/eth injected twice a week or E2D
250iu hCG SC EOD
1mg Arimidex/anastrozole per week in divided doses [read about anastrozole over-responders]

Crashing the afternoon can be from thyroid or adrenal fatigue [co-morbiities]

You need proper lab work. Get and retain copies of all labs.

50mg T every two weeks demonstrates that your doc is a real idiot and very timid as well.

Part of your approach depends on your medical insurance situation and ability and willingness to spend money out-of-pocket.

Read the stickies.

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I just skimmed an article in women’s health (while waiting in the doctor’s office) about Surviving Your Doctor. It talked about all of the bad diagnosises made by doctors and the unneeded suffering patients go through because their doctors ignore symptoms or mistreat symptoms. It applies to anyone (male or female) needing HRT.

Here is the online copy of that article: Patient Care: Survive Your Doctor