OK so I did a delt injection with 5/8"- 1cc cyp. No pain that day, next day a little bit of tightness in the muscle, nothing bad. Today I get up (day #3) and the muscle is sore and hard underneath the delt towards the bicep. The first 2 shots also hurt like a mother but they were glute shots and those always bother me.
Im wondering, is the BA content high or is the 5/8" not big enough and the cyp is leaking out of the muscle so to speak or not being injected deep enough. Also, the injection was very slow about 15 seconds per ml. Thanks for any input you guys may have.
IME, both of what you conjecture is a possibility. A third is that your cyp is not properly filtered. Unfortunately, you’re going to have to do some experimentation to figure out which it is and how to fix the problem. I would probably rule out shallow injection (unfortunately), as delts are typically pretty easy to get into even with a short needle.
If it turns out to be either of the latter, you’re going to have to either cut it with sterile oil or refilter the entire thing into a new, sterile vial.
Im gonna order some cotton seed oil and try to cut it. Im not too sure how to do that or at what rate to cut it. The cyp is 250mg/ml and im pinning 1cc each shot. Would 1cc cyp .5cc sterile oil be about right?
As long as you keep track of how much oil you use it doesn’t really matter. Use as little as possible so you don’t have to inject ‘huge’ volumes to reach your desired dose. Adding 5ml of oil to your 10ml batch of cyp should be a good start. You may not need that much extra oil, but it is a nice round number so whatever. Remember to buy some bigger sterile vials too. Also, you can use oil from the supermarket. It’s much cheaper than buying sterile oil from a lab equipment site. A few .22 filters and some 20-30ml vials would be cheaper than the 10-30ml of sterile oil sold in many places.
hey thanks for that response BONEZ that helps a bunch. I got sterile oil fairly cheap IMO (15$ for 100ml). Can I just add that sterile oil to the vial the substance is already in? Its about half gone and adding 5cc should round out nicely.
The more oil I add to the cyp, the lower the dosage becomes right? How can I figure out how much it cuts it to get my desired dose of 750mg/wk? Thanks again
hey thanks for that response BONEZ that helps a bunch. I got sterile oil fairly cheap IMO (15$ for 100ml). Can I just add that sterile oil to the vial the substance is already in? Its about half gone and adding 5cc should round out nicely.
The more oil I add to the cyp, the lower the dosage becomes right? How can I figure out how much it cuts it to get my desired dose of 750mg/wk? Thanks again
You figure out the dosage by doing some maths. If you have 5ml of 250mg/ml stuff and you add 5ml you now have 125mg/ml.
It would really be a good idea to know exactly how much you have. I don’t know about you but I can not eyeball the amount of liquid in a round vial with any sort of accuracy. Fill up a 3ml barrel. Then fill up another and see exactly how much you have. That’s what I would do, at least.
I’ve had that problem and cotton seed oil did help yet I’d still get a bad inject here and there. Some brands of test I can’t use. Tried everything, filtering, baking of the BA. I gave it to a friend and he had no problems but it crippled me. Even small doses of the test prop I’m using is killing me.
[quote]Hagar wrote:
I gave it to a friend and he had no problems but it crippled me. [/quote]
This is a good point. Sometimes there’s something going on that appears to be specific to the individual. Not that you’ll want to hear that if it turns out to be the case, OP.
Ya, could just be me, my buddy had no problems but im willing to try the cotton seed oil and try my luck. It would suck if it was just me but I can handle the facts… Another kid using the same stuff noticed the pain as well yesterday. Other Test has never bothered me just this cycle. Its not as oily as the others I’ve used, seems to be a lot thinner. Thanks Fellas
Hmm. Is it possible this test is made with ethyl oleate? If so, that could also be the problem, as apparently a small percentage of guys appear to have a bad reaction to ethyl oleate.
hey cortes, it is made with ethyl oleate, would diluting with cotton seed oil still work. The bottle says its made with ethyle oleate , 2% BA, 20 % BB
What are your thoughts? I shot it with some cottonseed oil today. 1cc/.5cc cottonseed. Thanks.
If you are reacting to the ethyl oleate, then I’m not sure if any amount of cutting it is going to result in any substantial benefit to you. I not really sure about this, but, from what I hear, some guys just seem to have a bad reaction to any amount of ethyl oleate. Hopefully cutting it does the trick for you, though. Good luck.
well time will tell, I cut it today and pinned it. It feels like its starting to “freeze” up but not as bad…We’ll see and I’ll say my hail marys haha…If it doesnt hurt much and I can stand the pain if any Im continuing, youll have to pry if from my cold dead hands… Thanks cortes. Does 1cc/.5cc sound about right though knocking it to 125mg/ml???
I hate math and can’t be trusted with numbers. I think that’s wrong, though. If you did a direct 50/50 cut you’d end up with exactly half of your original concentration. But yours is more like 66/33, I think, so your concentration is going to be more like 165mg/ml. No promises here, though. I always have to double and triple check my math because it does NOT come naturally to me.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
I hate math and can’t be trusted with numbers. I think that’s wrong, though. If you did a direct 50/50 cut you’d end up with exactly half of your original concentration. But yours is more like 66/33, I think, so your concentration is going to be more like 165mg/ml. No promises here, though. I always have to double and triple check my math because it does NOT come naturally to me. [/quote]
Cortes is right - diluting 1mL of a 250mg/mL preparation with an additional 0.5mL of clean oil will yield 1.5cc of a 166.67mg/mL preparation.
If you want to get from 250mg/mL to 125mg/mL, you would have to add 1mL of oil to 1mL of the original preparation, not 0.5mL.
I notice you guys were pretty quick to abandon the whole shallow inject idea. Its true I’ve pinned delts with half inch slin pins when in taper mode. However, when pumping larger quantities I always prefer to use 1.5" needles even for delts. In my experience Im less sore using a 23G 1.5" buried all the way in with 1.5mls than using a 29G .5" with .1ml.