lol
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Cripples have no business being president.
Yea. Good thing we’ve never had a president in a wheelchair or something. Everyone would probably think he was weak.[/quote]
Yeah and look what happened…
As far as presidents go FDR is one of the worst in history. He ranks up there with Lincoln, Wilson, and Bush II.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Cripples have no business being president.
Yea. Good thing we’ve never had a president in a wheelchair or something. Everyone would probably think he was weak.
Yeah and look what happened…
As far as presidents go FDR is one of the worst in history. He ranks up there with Lincoln, Wilson, and Bush II.[/quote]
I’m sure I know why you don’t like FDR.
Now, I’m not even sure that I want to ask, but how are Lincoln and Wilson mentioned in the same sentence as Bush?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Cripples have no business being president.
Yea. Good thing we’ve never had a president in a wheelchair or something. Everyone would probably think he was weak.
Yeah and look what happened…
As far as presidents go FDR is one of the worst in history. He ranks up there with Lincoln, Wilson, and Bush II.
I’m sure I know why you don’t like FDR.
Now, I’m not even sure that I want to ask, but how are Lincoln and Wilson mentioned in the same sentence as Bush? [/quote]
Lincoln is responsible for killing 600K people in the War of Northern Aggression.
Wilson is responsible for stealing our money through government sponsored inflation and is the father of mega-government.
I forgot to mention Truman. He kill countless innocent Japanese people and then interned innocent Japanese Americans.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Cripples have no business being president.
Yea. Good thing we’ve never had a president in a wheelchair or something. Everyone would probably think he was weak.
Yeah and look what happened…
As far as presidents go FDR is one of the worst in history. He ranks up there with Lincoln, Wilson, and Bush II.
I’m sure I know why you don’t like FDR.
Now, I’m not even sure that I want to ask, but how are Lincoln and Wilson mentioned in the same sentence as Bush?
Lincoln is responsible for killing 600K people in the War of Northern Aggression.
Wilson is responsible for stealing our money through government sponsored inflation and is the father of mega-government.
I forgot to mention Truman. He kill countless innocent Japanese people and then interned innocent Japanese Americans.[/quote]
Twice in one day.
You know, you say some brilliant things sometimes. Or at least, you used to. Or maybe I’ve just gotten smarter, I really can’t tell.
Are you trolling? If so… ::thumbs up::
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Are you trolling? If so… ::thumbs up::
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Is what I say not true?
You don’t get a free pass, young man. We can debate issues or we can name call. I think you know the correct way to make an argument. Prove me right.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Lincoln is responsible for killing 600K people in the War of Northern Aggression.[/quote]
This is a vast oversimplification, but at least could be discussed intelligently though I don’t agree.
These is a bunch of truth in this one.
This is preposterous. Very sad and regrettable though they were, both actions were necessitated by the realities of a world war that we did not start and frankly took too long to participate in.
[quote]cremaster wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
How much info could McCain come up with if he does not know how to work a computer? Even if he delegates all his research how much information is he missing? Just think what it would be like to live with out Google
If you had any idea how preposterous it is to consider google an essential presidential resource you would never have started this thread. Please.
I totally disagree, how many people live in any given city, what town was Vladimir Putin born in, what year was Kent State, what faction is from what part of Iraq, where else would you get your info?
Pretty ironic that someone who doesn’t live with out Google didn’t bother to find out the reason behind McCains lack of computer skills!
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Very astute observation…Funny too!
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
This is preposterous. Very sad and regrettable though they were, both actions were necessitated by the realities of a world war that we did not start and frankly took too long to participate in.[/quote]
The US provoked an attack from the Japanese so that we could experiment on them with our bombs. By your argument we should have dropped nukes on Korea and Vietnam. Don’t forget these are wars that we can’t even say we won.
Killing innocent women and children is what the US is supposed to be against. At least that was the lie I was told in elementary school.
How exactly did we provoke the Japanese bombing?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
This is preposterous. Very sad and regrettable though they were, both actions were necessitated by the realities of a world war that we did not start and frankly took too long to participate in.
The US provoked an attack from the Japanese so that we could experiment on them with our bombs. By your argument we should have dropped nukes on Korea and Vietnam. Don’t forget these are wars that we can’t even say we won.
Killing innocent women and children is what the US is supposed to be against. At least that was the lie I was told in elementary school.[/quote]
I’m sorry but I think I learned a different history. I was sure the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour. Now I also remember that the A bomb was not a reality at that time. Plus then your country makes the aggressive move on a sovereign country. They as a country forfeit their innocence.
As the country with the greatest amount of freedom. The US has an obligation to it’s citizens to maintain that freedom at all costs. If that should mean killing every citizen that stands by and lets their country attack another so be it.
I for one, not being American, appreciate the trickle down effect that America’s freedom was had on the rest of the world. The amount of freedom that America has, creates it’s own problems. Freedom it appears is a difficult concept to deal with. Given the diversity of a countries citizens.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
How exactly did we provoke the Japanese bombing?[/quote]
We blocked trade using military ships long before the Perl Harbor attack. That is considered an act of war to many countries.
Do not mistake my analysis for apologizing for the Japanese attack on Perl Harbor. I am just saying there are two sides to the story and for convenience purposes it is often ignored.
[quote]streamline wrote:
The US has an obligation to it’s citizens to maintain that freedom at all costs.[/quote]
Many people, as do you, incorrectly believe the above fallacy. The cost of bestowing freedom with bombs is a loss of freedom for all. The leaders in government learn quickly it is far more effective for their own causes to take freedom than it is to “grant” it.
Do not mistake the causes of the leaders of government as your own. Governmental leaders are not immune to self-interest, as they would have us believe.
It is the people that take their freedoms for granted. Yes the government is in conflict with freedom. A very good example would be the police.
They will attempt to talk you out of your freedoms to further their cause. It is the individual however that gives up their freedom. I have spent nights in jail because I refused to cooperate with the authorities. The fight is strongest at it’s roots, the individuals freedom as apposed the the collective. Some individuals are content with only the basic freedoms. Others however would rather die than give up a single freedom.
This may be a concept that is alien to you. There are however more of us that want freedom as there are those that do not. The simplist explanation is that the government can prevent you from doing something. They control the prisons. They however can never make you do anything you do not wish to. In the end it is ultimatly the individual that decides their own fate. They may not like the choices, but they have a choice.
Are you saying government is necessary for freedom to exist? If so, I disagree with that conclusion.
On one hand there is freedom. On the other hand there is statism. Freedom is about choice and government is anti-choice by nature.
No! The people’s desire for freedom must come first. Then they must fight their government for it. The government will of course grant freedoms, slowly and with loop holes if they can.
Freedom is an individual conceot that can only be gained by the collective. Yet the collective suffers at the cost of the individuals freedom. Which is usually in conflict with the collective. Catch 22!
[quote]streamline wrote:
Freedom is an individual conceot that can only be gained by the collective.[/quote]
Freedom is a birthright of every individual. It cannot be given – only taken away.
We do not need a collective to keep our freedoms safe for us; but certainly a collective effort is a requirement if it is going to be taken away.
Self defense can happen is many ways. We engage in self-defense every day without realizing it just by taking Sufi’s advice not to put ourselves in such situations that require a fight. We do not need the collective military might of the US to stay free – we just need to exercise individual good judgment; but just in case keep a rifle handy.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Cripples have no business being president.
Yea. Good thing we’ve never had a president in a wheelchair or something. Everyone would probably think he was weak.
Yeah and look what happened…
As far as presidents go FDR is one of the worst in history. He ranks up there with Lincoln, Wilson, and Bush II.
I’m sure I know why you don’t like FDR.
Now, I’m not even sure that I want to ask, but how are Lincoln and Wilson mentioned in the same sentence as Bush?
Lincoln is responsible for killing 600K people in the War of Northern Aggression.
Wilson is responsible for stealing our money through government sponsored inflation and is the father of mega-government.
I forgot to mention Truman. He kill countless innocent Japanese people and then interned innocent Japanese Americans.[/quote]
LOL. War of Northern Aggression huh?
Alright hillbilly. So you’re still living in a trailer with a rebel flag thinking you’re under occupation and that the South will “rise again” huh?
Hey Thunder, where you at… you’d enjoy this.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
War of Northern Aggression huh?
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It is more apt than calling it a “Civil War”. Maybe to remind people how virtuous this war was maybe we can rename it the “Ultimate Just War For All Humanity,” and then it would be true because we named it so.
Aggression is exactly what this war was. It also was directed at Southerners by Northerners; hence it was “The War of Northern Aggression.” Need I remind you that countless thousands of non-slave owners were killed? Also, slavery was not what this war was fought over. Slavery was ended in every country except the US without war.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
War of Northern Aggression huh?
It is more apt than calling it a “Civil War”. Maybe to remind people how virtuous this war was maybe we can rename it the “Ultimate Just War For All Humanity,” and then it would be true because we named it so.
Aggression is exactly what this war was. It also was directed at Southerners by Northerners; hence it was “The War of Northern Aggression.” Need I remind you that countless thousands of non-slave owners were killed? Also, slavery was not what this war was fought over. Slavery was ended in every country except the US without war.[/quote]
The South seceded over slavery. It wasn’t any of the states’ rights bullshit that the revisionists and southern apologists try to make it about- it was about slavery. Every compromise, every Act, that Congress made to avert wars years before, was about slavery.
It is well known that the South feared Lincoln because they thought, somewhat irrationally because he never said he would, free the slaves immediately.
The thousand of non slave owners took up arms against the United States government in order to preserve a system of oppression against a race of people. It’s not my fault if the poor were duped by the slave owning aristocracy into fighting for them- blame Jefferson Davis and his scum compatriots for that.
As I recall, the South fired on Fort Sumter first. That was the South’s fault for picking a fight with an industrial giant with two and a half times the population.
If there’s one thing I can thank the Republicans for, or at least that version of it, it’s doing what needed to be done and making the South howl for its sins.
You’ll find no pity here amigo.