(It’s like watching a car accident in slow motion!)
S
[quote]Kataklysm wrote:
more functionnal wrist strenght and stability, not forearm hypertrophy! [/quote]
What the fuck did he just say? Someone tell me he didn’t just use the F word.
Clearly the guy with big forearms can’t grip shit.
Clearly.
no shit. I’m surprised everyone is so level headed here and no one lost his temper yet. If you can deadlift over 300 pounds (or god forbid 400) it isn’t functional. Apparently you can only be functional when youre under 200 pounds and certifiably weak in most accepted gym lifts.
kataklysm, dude…let me tell you something I learnt in an inspired moment I had yesterday night:
NO two things are directly related in a cause-effect relation, but at the same time EVERYTHING is linked with everything else."
What i;m saying is;
I cannot directly say that you have small foreamrs because you don;t do direct arm work
BUT
The facts:
you deadlift 245 pounds after a few years of training, you don;t do direct arm work, you seem over-influenced by certain schools of thought for a beginner, you don;t have clearly defined goals, etc etc etc…all these facts are related to each other!
One advice Ill give you is: try to find the links and you’ll be golden. Keep your eyes open and learn from the experiences of guys here as well as other forums as well as the guys at your gym. Draw from as wide a pool of data as you can possibly create and draw conclusions from there. Look at the guys with big forearms and ask as many of them as you can find, what they did to get those forearms. Ten to one, the guys with the biggest forearms in your gym have done wrist curls with propgressively heavier weights (IN ADDITION to deadlifts, etc etc etc).
WOrk up to wrist curling 100 pound dumbbells with natural ROM (I didn;t say full ROM) and I;ll bet youre sporting bigger forearms. But wrist curls alone aren;t enough either…reverse curls are awesome, also throw in levering work, farmer’s walks, grip work…forerarms recover very quickly so you casn train them quite often.
[quote]Short Hoss wrote:
Kataklysm wrote:
more functionnal wrist strenght and stability, not forearm hypertrophy!
What the fuck did he just say? Someone tell me he didn’t just use the F word.
Clearly the guy with big forearms can’t grip shit.
Clearly.
[/quote]
OP, why do you assume making your forearms bigger wouldn;t make them stronger and able to grip more and shit? Just answer this question and I’ll call it quits!
Also in your first post you mentioned you look like a 13 year old in half sleeves…and now you say you don;t want forearm hypertrophy?
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
OP, why do you assume making your forearms bigger wouldn;t make them stronger and able to grip more and shit? Just answer this question and I’ll call it quits!
Also in your first post you mentioned you look like a 13 year old in half sleeves…and now you say you don;t want forearm hypertrophy?
[/quote]
If had 11" forearms, even if my goal was pure strength, I would assume I needed to get them bigger so they could actually serve that purpose. This mentality of trying to avoid all muscle mass as if that makes you more “FUNCTIONAL” should have been murdered by now.
I’ve been in this thread a couple times now, but thought, AH, I’ve got nuthin to add here. However, when the talk of “functional wrist strength” comes up I’m all ears.
Functional strength in general is always weird enough when it comes up for the 1000th time, but functional strength particular to the wrists now?
How, pray tell, does one distinguish this functional strength in the wrists from non functional strength?
Does this mean you can only grip or move certain objects with your hands? Or your handwriting improves? Is there a way to get your wrists stronger, but less functional that I have not been made aware of?
I’m not picking on this guy, but why is it that everybody who seems so worried about being functional always has these nit picky little issues that get them sidetracked.
Ok so maybe I can help…I’ve only been working out for six months now(four of which was bodyweight only the last two lifting) and while I ve added significant amounts of mass and about 15 pounds of mostly muscle I also have the same issue with my forearms.
Anyways I ve always had small forearms, never lifted all that much just the occasional workout between track seasons. I do however remember one summer when I was working on campus. For a week they put me and my roomate on cinder block duty basically we had to remove all the cinder blocks students had used to raise up their beds.
It took us a week to remove all the blocks, 5 days for 8 hours a day hauling akward shaped heavy objects. By the end of my weeks my forearms had swollen up I m not sure how much but may have been as much as two inches!
Anyways most of this was an intial swell but a good deal of the mass lasted for almost 3 weeks.
This got me to thinking as I was working out the other day. Maybe repeated trauma was required to build the forearms.
I ve been trying this workout for a month and it seems to be working forearms are definetly getting stronger and even a bit bigger.
I mix it up occasionally but basically here is what I do.
I workout out three times a after each workout I do my forearms.
3x10 reverse curls I use a fairly light weight at least for the first two sets. I try to concentrate on good form and getting a good amount of blood in my arms.
3x10 Behind the back wrist curls. I think thats what they are called. I use a lil more weight but not too much because you want to make sure you squeeze each rep good.
Plate Pinches…I take two 10lb plates put them together so the flat side is out on each. I squeez them between my thumb and first two fingers of my right hand, once it gets too tired and about to slip I switch to my left hand. I keep doing this until my arms are too tired to hold for more than a couple of seconds.
I finish with something extra if I m up to it. Could be hammer curls, or if I m working my obliques I ll hold a 45lb plate to do side bends instead of a db I might even do holds on the pullup bar with my forearm and upper arm at a 90 angle.
I will then add one forearm workout to my off days I ll do it at home with a db or i ll tear some newspaper or one of those grip squeezes.
Basically I try to beat the crap out of my forearms. Its too early to say whether it will work, but so far so good.
Also I recomend supplementing with creatine for this. Its just my theory but I think creatine will help especially well with this workout because it will allow your arms to do the the extra work.
Good luck…My biceps are only about 15" but they look weird next to my tiny forearms. I ll be hitting this workout hard and hoping for the best.
that is what most people would assume even before they start lifting. The OP has a distinction between a bigger muscle and smaller muscle? But more importantly (and why am I the only one who notices that) why did he change his tune in the later responses?
in the first message he wishes he did not look like a 13 year old and that his forearm development would be better…and in the last one he says he just wants to get functional?
If you see the guy with thin forearms but an exceptional CNS, that works for HIM. If you aren;t already exceptionally strong (most successful lightweight powerlifters and olers ARE) you’re going to have to gain a lot of size in addition to plenty sport-specific grip training to get a significantly stronger grip. Watch Magnus Samuelsson’s nutrition video where he says, and I quote “To get stronger, YOURE GOING TO HAVE TO GAIN WEIGHT .i.e. size”
Whatever, I see a bong with me name on it. Later, dudes.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:
OP, why do you assume making your forearms bigger wouldn;t make them stronger and able to grip more and shit? Just answer this question and I’ll call it quits!
Also in your first post you mentioned you look like a 13 year old in half sleeves…and now you say you don;t want forearm hypertrophy?
If had 11" forearms, even if my goal was pure strength, I would assume I needed to get them bigger so they could actually serve that purpose. This mentality of trying to avoid all muscle mass as if that makes you more “FUNCTIONAL” should have been murdered by now.[/quote]
Fuctional? There F-ing forearms! Not like there gonna get bulky and in the way of your movement. Also if you want anything large and solid for “functionality” it would be the forearms.
Ask a boxer. They need strong forearms to throw a decent punch. You can have great speed and power but if your forearms are small and weak all your power will be displaced upon impact.
I m not really sure what this thread is about anymore.
Strength and Size arent necessarily directly related, but if you want to gain significant strength your gonna get some size and if you want to gain significant size your gonna get some strength.