Immigration

[quote]lixy wrote:
olderguy wrote:
The world is a tough place and you are blaming the US for doing things other countries would be doing. It’s all a game and some some play it better than others.

olderguy,

You’re a wise fellow. You know the name of the game and wouldn’t buy into the Bush’s rhetoric for one second, when he shifted the line from the “WMDs” to “spreading democracy”.[/quote]
I think you are being generous with the “wise fellow” statement. And I don’t think other posters think we are doing it out of charity.[/quote]

[quote]olderguy wrote:

Congratulations. I volunteered for the USMC out of high school, (graduate by the way),in Aug,1970. (in case you are to young, there was a war going on). Served in 2nd Force Recon, Camp Geiger, NC.
Jump school, FT Benning, GA, and finished at Marine Detachment, CINCLANTFLT, Norfolk, VA driving for VADM James L Holloway III, who was Deputy Commander In Chief, Atlantic Fleet and Atlantic Command.[/quote]

I guess you don’t need a Masters to be a chauffeur either.

The context of this thread still doesn’t match the video you posted. Way to be consistent.

So what lead you to start hating other cultures so much?

[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
olderguy wrote:

Congratulations. I volunteered for the USMC out of high school, (graduate by the way),in Aug,1970. (in case you are to young, there was a war going on). Served in 2nd Force Recon, Camp Geiger, NC.
Jump school, FT Benning, GA, and finished at Marine Detachment, CINCLANTFLT, Norfolk, VA driving for VADM James L Holloway III, who was Deputy Commander In Chief, Atlantic Fleet and Atlantic Command.

I guess you don’t need a Masters to be a chauffeur either.

The context of this thread still doesn’t match the video you posted. Way to be consistent.

So what lead you to start hating other cultures so much?

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Come on dood, don’t you get it? You are beginning to sound as dumb as I originally thought.

For starters, USMC is the Marines version of Navy Seals, Army Green Beret. In other words, Special Forces.
In the 70s, all branches went to Army jump schools, as I was there with Seals, and if not mistaken, some Air Force guys. I could be wrong about that.

And I wasn’t just his driver, I was his orderly. I carried a 45 and went with him on trips to various Naval Stations, Corpus Christi, TX, Pensacola, FL. I got the job because the previous orderly had been from 2nd Force Recon. All provable, even being Honor Man in boot camp. I have pictures being promoted by him, a VADM,(3 stars). Who promoted you if you ever were?

And your painting me as a racist is laughable. Point out the part of my post that is racist. That’s a cheap shot. I hate no cultures. Just crazies that want to kill us.

And if you remember, you started this shit with your remarks about my spelling.

And for the last time dip shit, who said my point had to match the video? You? Fuck off. My point was other on threads claim the US if a fucked up place. I posted a video that we have an immigration problem SO IT CAN’T BE THAT BAD IF EVERYONE WANTS TO LIVE HERE. Are you truly that fuckin dumb?

Trust me dood, if I’m on Who Wants to be a Millionaire, you aren’t going to be my phone-a-friend. LOL.

You sound more like someone taking a nap while on duty than a supposed Supervisor. Right, I believe that.

And you post pictures of you in your supervisor’s uniform, and I’ll post pics of me in front of HQ with a limo, at a jump site, and getting promoted in boot camp with Dress Blues on.

So fuck you, as you are the only guy that knocked someone’s spelling that I’ve seen and even after killing a few trillion brain cells, I don’t think you are matching wits with me, Slick. I’ve survived 30 yrs on the floor of a commodity exchange and that’s not the place for the weak which you claim I am.

Keep your radiator full dick head and don’t forget that safari hat on sunny days.

I hope I didn’t leave anything out.

[quote]olderguy wrote:
Congratulations. I volunteered for the USMC out of high school, (graduate by the way),in Aug,1970. (in case you are to young, there was a war going on). Served in 2nd Force Recon, Camp Geiger, NC. Jump school, FT Benning, GA, and finished at Marine Detachment, CINCLANTFLT, Norfolk, VA driving for VADM James L Holloway III, who was Deputy Commander In Chief, Atlantic Fleet and Atlantic Command.

I guess you don’t need a Masters to be a chauffeur either.

The context of this thread still doesn’t match the video you posted. Way to be consistent.

So what lead you to start hating other cultures so much?

Come on dood, don’t you get it? You are beginning to sound as dumb as I originally thought.

For starters, USMC is the Marines version of Navy Seals, Army Green Beret. In other words, Special Forces.
In the 70s, all branches went to Army jump schools, as I was there with Seals, and if not mistaken, some Air Force guys. I could be wrong about that.

And I wasn’t just his driver, I was his orderly. I carried a 45 and went with him on trips to various Naval Stations, Corpus Christi, TX, Pensacola, FL. I got the job because the previous orderly had been from 2nd Force Recon. All provable, even being Honor Man in boot camp. I have pictures being promoted by him, a VADM,(3 stars). Who promoted you if you ever were?[/quote]

OK, an armed chauffeur.[quote]

And your painting me as a racist is laughable. Point out the part of my post that is racist. That’s a cheap shot. I hate no cultures. Just crazies that want to kill us.[/quote]

From your earlier post.

If you can’t find it in there, then you really need help.

Yeah, I mentioned spelling and you start a verbal tirade. Match wits? Calling someone “Dood”, telling someone “fuck off” or “blow me” is your wits? All I did was correct your spelling, advise everyone to watch the video and vote accordingly.

I think you and I are the only ones reading this by now, but hey, we both have something in common. We’re both bullheaded.

Peace.

[quote]olderguy wrote:
Due to my lack of computer skills I can only direct you to this video.

Just google Numbers USA video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265

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As long as the 2 major parties are little more than whores of corporate america the immigration will never decline, for obvious reasons.

They didnt do anything about the mexican border during the last 20 years, and they wont in the next 20.

[quote]olderguy wrote:
And to those trashing the US, the only reason you have imigrants is because it’s easier to travel to your country, wherever that might be. I’m sure, given the choice, they would be here. Thank God they will be taking over your little country before ours.
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Btw thats typical amicentric bullshit. In almost any other NATO country social security and the average wealth is higher. I dont know the exact numbers, but the US actually might be ahead of Greece and Turkey…

If illegal immigrants can send money back to Mexico, why can’t they defray some of the cost for their own medical care?

Wouldn’t it be funny if the federal government intercepted all of those Western Union fund transfers going back home? It would be easier than most people think.
http://americancomedynetwork.com/animation.html?bit_id=24620

[quote]Juan Blanco wrote:
If illegal immigrants can send money back to Mexico, why can’t they defray some of the cost for their own medical care?

Wouldn’t it be funny if the federal government intercepted all of those Western Union fund transfers going back home? It would be easier than most people think.
http://americancomedynetwork.com/animation.html?bit_id=24620

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I know you say some of that in jest, but we’ve had a hospital go bankrupt twice here. The next hospital is 15 miles away and it’s losing money hand over fist. If that one goes, we’ll have one hospital for over 150,000 people on the north side and 1 million on the south side and it’s 25 miles away.

[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
olderguy wrote:
Congratulations. I volunteered for the USMC out of high school, (graduate by the way),in Aug,1970. (in case you are to young, there was a war going on). Served in 2nd Force Recon, Camp Geiger, NC. Jump school, FT Benning, GA, and finished at Marine Detachment, CINCLANTFLT, Norfolk, VA driving for VADM James L Holloway III, who was Deputy Commander In Chief, Atlantic Fleet and Atlantic Command.

I guess you don’t need a Masters to be a chauffeur either.

The context of this thread still doesn’t match the video you posted. Way to be consistent.

So what lead you to start hating other cultures so much?

Come on dood, don’t you get it? You are beginning to sound as dumb as I originally thought.

For starters, USMC is the Marines version of Navy Seals, Army Green Beret. In other words, Special Forces.
In the 70s, all branches went to Army jump schools, as I was there with Seals, and if not mistaken, some Air Force guys. I could be wrong about that.

And I wasn’t just his driver, I was his orderly. I carried a 45 and went with him on trips to various Naval Stations, Corpus Christi, TX, Pensacola, FL. I got the job because the previous orderly had been from 2nd Force Recon. All provable, even being Honor Man in boot camp. I have pictures being promoted by him, a VADM,(3 stars). Who promoted you if you ever were?

OK, an armed chauffeur.

And your painting me as a racist is laughable. Point out the part of my post that is racist. That’s a cheap shot. I hate no cultures. Just crazies that want to kill us.

From your earlier post.

And beings you are such a dick, I’ll just point out one thing that you missed in your worldly travels on the sand roads in CA. You couldn’t possibly be more wrong about all immigrants being poor, oppressed, or criminals. Just because you are sweeping Mexicans off your stoop doesn’t mean they are the only ones. Every 7-11 I’ve been in are owned by Indians, Pakistanis, or Arabs. There has to be 5 Polish delis in my small city in NJ. Do you have any idea of how many businesses there are that are owned by immigrants? There are major pockets of immigrants in every state in this country and don’t talk percentages. A fucking retard like me has to tell a guy who works in the field that? Maybe you should change that profile to Senior Border Patrol Driver. I can see you now with the crew cut and bulging biceps with the rolled up short sleeves. LOL. Hey, but you can spell.

If you can’t find it in there, then you really need help.

And for the last time dip shit, who said my point had to match the video? You? Fuck off. My point was other on threads claim the US if a fucked up place.
You posted a video and then intentionally changed the subject? I guess that’s where the confusion lies. Most people don’t do that. You know, for common sense reasons.

You sound more like someone taking a nap while on duty than a supposed Supervisor. Right, I believe that.

And you post pictures of you in your supervisor’s uniform, and I’ll post pics of me in front of HQ with a limo, at a jump site, and getting promoted in boot camp with Dress Blues on.

Is this really your only accomplishment in life? You keep telling me shit about me driving in sand and keeping my radiator full when your claim to life was being a chauffeur…oh, sorry, an armed chauffeur for someone important. Yeah, I’m sure everyone remembers the chauffeurs of important people.

So fuck you, as you are the only guy that knocked someone’s spelling that I’ve seen and even after killing a few trillion brain cells, I don’t think you are matching wits with me, Slick. I’ve survived 30 yrs on the floor of a commodity exchange and that’s not the place for the weak which you claim I am.

Yeah, I mentioned spelling and you start a verbal tirade. Match wits? Calling someone “Dood”, telling someone “fuck off” or “blow me” is your wits? All I did was correct your spelling, advise everyone to watch the video and vote accordingly.

I think you and I are the only ones reading this by now, but hey, we both have something in common. We’re both bullheaded.

Peace.
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Perhaps you have a smoother approach to making me look like a douche-bag than me of you. It might be from where I work. Everyone kind of gets to the point as it’s kinda fast paced.
“Trading Places” with Eddie Murphy was filmed there when it was in the WTC.

And I was an armed chauffer 35 yrs ago, although I really haven’t accomplished much since then. I spent most of the 80s and 90s trying to stay out of rehab. LOL. Wasn’t completly successful. The floor was a wild place. It was hard to avoid the life style. A lot of us got caught up in it. I was fortunate to make a little money, not rich, but comfortable as we are going electronic and I might be driving a truck soon. I will let you know so you can have a laugh. I average 3 arguments a day so anything will be a relief. I have wanted to leave the job for a while but I would take an 70% pay cut. And the market is only open from 9 to noon so the hours were hard to pass up. But it could come to an end in a month or two. I look at it as a gift from God. I hope I am saying that after it happens.

I think you are right about us being the only two on this thread. And you’re right, I like to have the last word. LOL. And if I sound like a racist, I by no means am. I have a couple of black friends and some Mexican ones too. Only kidding. I don’t consider myself a bigot but maybe I’m not smart enough to know when I am being one.

Well I won’t be a dick anymore. I might be a little insecure about my lack of education,(hence the tirade), which is my own fault, but that would have gotten in the way of my lifestyle. LOL.

See ya and good luck

[quote]Ken Kaniff wrote:
olderguy wrote:
Due to my lack of computer skills I can only direct you to this video.

Just google Numbers USA video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265

As long as the 2 major parties are little more than whores of corporate america the immigration will never decline, for obvious reasons.

They didnt do anything about the mexican border during the last 20 years, and they wont in the next 20.

olderguy wrote:
And to those trashing the US, the only reason you have imigrants is because it’s easier to travel to your country, wherever that might be. I’m sure, given the choice, they would be here. Thank God they will be taking over your little country before ours.

Btw thats typical amicentric bullshit. In almost any other NATO country social security and the average wealth is higher. I dont know the exact numbers, but the US actually might be ahead of Greece and Turkey… [/quote]

Thanks Ken

[quote]Juan Blanco wrote:
If illegal immigrants can send money back to Mexico, why can’t they defray some of the cost for their own medical care?

Wouldn’t it be funny if the federal government intercepted all of those Western Union fund transfers going back home? It would be easier than most people think.
http://americancomedynetwork.com/animation.html?bit_id=24620

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I think it would be better if any medical care places, like hopsitals, had to refuse to treat illegals. There is a law where everyone who enters the emergency room must be treated. It may be a bit harsh to send illegals away, but it might discourage them a little to come to the U.S. They do not belong here in the first place.

[quote]Kreal7 wrote:
Juan Blanco wrote:
If illegal immigrants can send money back to Mexico, why can’t they defray some of the cost for their own medical care?

Wouldn’t it be funny if the federal government intercepted all of those Western Union fund transfers going back home? It would be easier than most people think.
http://americancomedynetwork.com/animation.html?bit_id=24620

I think it would be better if any medical care places, like hospitals, had to refuse to treat illegals. There is a law where everyone who enters the emergency room must be treated. It may be a bit harsh to send illegals away, but it might discourage them a little to come to the U.S. They do not belong here in the first place. [/quote]

I think it is a shame that tax paying citizens have to wait in crowded waiting room that is full of say, mothers that are there with their small children that have the cold or some other non-life threatening problem.

The point I’m getting at is can’t they be arrested for not producing a green card or some other form of legal status at the hospital? Perhaps I’m just naive.

I’m all for immigration, (father is one), but this BS of illegals is just stupid. I know the politicians will use it for their personal gain. Votes etc. I truly hope Band America goes bankrupt. The American way. Anything for a fuckin buck. This is just nuts, sorry.
I’m not totally against some sort of amnesty program for those that can prove they have been here for years.

At least that gets the ball rolling for shutting down the borders. We certainly aren’t going to deport 10 million illegals.

[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
Juan Blanco wrote:
If illegal immigrants can send money back to Mexico, why can’t they defray some of the cost for their own medical care?

Wouldn’t it be funny if the federal government intercepted all of those Western Union fund transfers going back home? It would be easier than most people think.
http://americancomedynetwork.com/animation.html?bit_id=24620

I know you say some of that in jest, but we’ve had a hospital go bankrupt twice here. The next hospital is 15 miles away and it’s losing money hand over fist. If that one goes, we’ll have one hospital for over 150,000 people on the north side and 1 million on the south side and it’s 25 miles away.

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Actually, I wasn’t joking.

Legislation is already being introduced in Georgia to,“levy a 5-percent surcharge on wire transfers by illegal immigrants to their native countries.”

Motivated citizens across America could easily get a form of this bill passed in their own states or even nationally. Then all you do is increase the ‘surcharge’ incrementally until the flow of lost money stops.

$1,050,000,000 per year could possibly be generated each year by the 5% surcharge. That breaks down to roughly $21 million annually per state.

Or we could sit idly by and watch our healthcare system implodes at the exact time baby boomers need it the most.
http://immigrationcounters.com/

[quote]olderguy wrote:
The point I’m getting at is can’t they be arrested for not producing a green card or some other form of legal status at the hospital? Perhaps I’m just naive.[/quote]

There are some city and county agencies and hospitals that forbid their employees from calling DHS. That’s criminal in my mind. Why doesn’t the Federal Govt. step in? Politic BS.[quote]

I’m all for immigration, (father is one), but this BS of illegals is just stupid. I know the politicians will use it for their personal gain. Votes etc. I truly hope Band America goes bankrupt. The American way. Anything for a fuckin buck. This is just nuts, sorry.[/quote]

I think it’s funny when Americans speak of immigration they sound apologetic. Legal is legal. Hating and speaking out to the fact that illegal immigration is destroying our country is nothing to be ashamed of. Something that’s not addressed is the major impact that illegal immigration has on legal immigration. There are thousands of qualified non-citizens seeking legal entry into the US that can’t due to the number of illegals here.[quote]

I’m not totally against some sort of amnesty program for those that can prove they have been here for years.[/quote]

I’ve had too many friends and fellow agents die in the line of duty to agree with ANY type of amnesty. Amnesty is rewarding those who are sneaky enough to avoid getting caught. It serves no positive purpose to American citizens.[quote]

At least that gets the ball rolling for shutting down the borders.[/quote]

It won’t. Historically MORE will cross during the following 3-5 years in hopes of another amnesty. We’ve had amnesties before and the numbers of illegals in the country have tripled since our last one.

[quote]

We certainly aren’t going to deport 10 million illegals.[/quote]

Try 20 million. Whatever the media tells you, double it.

Now if we can only get 200 million American citizens to be as frustrated about illegal immigration as you are, we might get something done about it.

[quote]Juan Blanco wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
Juan Blanco wrote:
If illegal immigrants can send money back to Mexico, why can’t they defray some of the cost for their own medical care?

Wouldn’t it be funny if the federal government intercepted all of those Western Union fund transfers going back home? It would be easier than most people think.
http://americancomedynetwork.com/animation.html?bit_id=24620

I know you say some of that in jest, but we’ve had a hospital go bankrupt twice here. The next hospital is 15 miles away and it’s losing money hand over fist. If that one goes, we’ll have one hospital for over 150,000 people on the north side and 1 million on the south side and it’s 25 miles away.

Actually, I wasn’t joking.

Legislation is already being introduced in Georgia to,“levy a 5-percent surcharge on wire transfers by illegal immigrants to their native countries.”

Motivated citizens across America could easily get a form of this bill passed in their own states or even nationally. Then all you do is increase the ‘surcharge’ incrementally until the flow of lost money stops.
[/quote]

I wasn’t saying you were joking. Good luck finding that many motivated citizens. Seriously.

[quote]Juan Blanco wrote:
$1,050,000,000 per year could possibly be generated each year by the 5% surcharge. That breaks down to roughly $21 million annually per state.

Or we could sit idly by and watch our healthcare system implodes at the exact time baby boomers need it the most.
http://immigrationcounters.com/
[/quote]

$21 million wouldn’t even cover the costs expended at one border town hospital. We need to go for the jugular. STOP granting automatic US citizenship to the children of illegals.

Besides hospitals, the USA spends over 3 Billion a year alone on educating illegals. I don’t think ANY surcharge is going to cover THAT bill.

[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
Juan Blanco wrote:
$1,050,000,000 per year could possibly be generated each year by the 5% surcharge. That breaks down to roughly $21 million annually per state.

Or we could sit idly by and watch our healthcare system implodes at the exact time baby boomers need it the most.
http://immigrationcounters.com/

$21 million wouldn’t even cover the costs expended at one border town hospital. We need to go for the jugular. STOP granting automatic US citizenship to the children of illegals.

Besides hospitals, the USA spends over 3 Billion a year alone on educating illegals. I don’t think ANY surcharge is going to cover THAT bill.

[/quote]
5% is just to start things off without ruffling too many feathers. After it’s established, you can easily crank it up just like cigarette taxes.

Shouldn’t a similar rate apply to the wire transfers of non-citizens? They enjoy all the wonderful social services you do.

Don’t like tobacco taxes, don’t smoke.
Don’t like wire transfer taxes, keep that money in America.

[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
olderguy wrote:
The point I’m getting at is can’t they be arrested for not producing a green card or some other form of legal status at the hospital? Perhaps I’m just naive.

There are some city and county agencies and hospitals that forbid their employees from calling DHS. That’s criminal in my mind. Why doesn’t the Federal Govt. step in? Politic BS.

I’m all for immigration, (father is one), but this BS of illegals is just stupid. I know the politicians will use it for their personal gain. Votes etc. I truly hope Band America goes bankrupt. The American way. Anything for a fuckin buck. This is just nuts, sorry.

I think it’s funny when Americans speak of immigration they sound apologetic. Legal is legal. Hating and speaking out to the fact that illegal immigration is destroying our country is nothing to be ashamed of. Something that’s not addressed is the major impact that illegal immigration has on legal immigration. There are thousands of qualified non-citizens seeking legal entry into the US that can’t due to the number of illegals here.

I’m not totally against some sort of amnesty program for those that can prove they have been here for years.

I’ve had too many friends and fellow agents die in the line of duty to agree with ANY type of amnesty. Amnesty is rewarding those who are sneaky enough to avoid getting caught. It serves no positive purpose to American citizens.

At least that gets the ball rolling for shutting down the borders.

It won’t. Historically MORE will cross during the following 3-5 years in hopes of another amnesty. We’ve had amnesties before and the numbers of illegals in the country have tripled since our last one.

We certainly aren’t going to deport 10 million illegals.

Try 20 million. Whatever the media tells you, double it.

Now if we can only get 200 million American citizens to be as frustrated about illegal immigration as you are, we might get something done about it.

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You are right about the influx of “new” immigrants trying to enter to fall under the amnesty rules. Who would supervise that? Christ. I thought it would get the ball rolling toward normalcy but in hindsight I see Pandora’s box has been open. I could see it now. It would look like an invasion of army ants.

I’m all for the “land of the free and home of the brave” stuff, but it really has gotten out of hand. I can only imagine what it is like in CA and other sw states. NJ has it’s fair share as you see them in every car wash, well just everywhere. Period.

The sad part is like you said, the illegals will ruin it for the legals. And that sucks. Fair is fair.

I just saw on Fox about allowing trucks to come thru the borders further than the 25 mile limit. You’re head must be spinning.

Thanks for the info and I guess I will be a little more radical in my discussions if the subject is brought up.

That’s a crime about the Border Patrol Agents doing time over shooting the drug dealer. Am I missing something or are they really getting a bad deal?

[quote]Juan Blanco wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
Juan Blanco wrote:
$1,050,000,000 per year could possibly be generated each year by the 5% surcharge. That breaks down to roughly $21 million annually per state.

Or we could sit idly by and watch our healthcare system implodes at the exact time baby boomers need it the most.
http://immigrationcounters.com/

$21 million wouldn’t even cover the costs expended at one border town hospital. We need to go for the jugular. STOP granting automatic US citizenship to the children of illegals.

Besides hospitals, the USA spends over 3 Billion a year alone on educating illegals. I don’t think ANY surcharge is going to cover THAT bill.

5% is just to start things off without ruffling too many feathers. After it’s established, you can easily crank it up just like cigarette taxes.

Shouldn’t a similar rate apply to the wire transfers of non-citizens? They enjoy all the wonderful social services you do.

Don’t like tobacco taxes, don’t smoke.
Don’t like wire transfer taxes, keep that money in America.
[/quote]

Just to bring you right-wing socialist back to the conservative flock:

As if government coercion could stop the free market.

[quote]olderguy wrote:

That’s a crime about the Border Patrol Agents doing time over shooting the drug dealer. Am I missing something or are they really getting a bad deal?

[/quote]

That’s a tough question. When I read the initial reports I said they deserved what they got. We don’t shoot people that are running away from us, unless exigent circumstances exist. The minimum penalty for their crime would carry the 10 year sentence they received.

Since their convictions, more information has been revealed that lead me to believe they have been railroaded.

On the night the agents shot the alien, they didn’t even know they had shot anyone. The alien ran into Mexico. The agents reported the rounds fired to their supervisors. Since there was no “victim” known at the time there was no “shooting”. As far as policy goes, they reported it in a timely fashion.

One month later, an alien is arrested while attempting to smuggle dope into the US. While being processed, the alien claims he was shot a month prior by agents.

In swoops the government and offers this “victim” immunity from his crimes in exchange for his testimony against the agents. Calamity ensues.

The scientist/doctor (?) that removed the bullet from the alien states that the he was not shot in the butt while running away.

I have been scratching my head over this one. This information and a lot more was not allowed into evidence by the judge. If this information prooved true, then the charge of assault with a weapon would not be valid.

Hopefully we will find out more during the appeal process.