Imbalanced Routines: TBT

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
The same goes for how to construct your program.

Don’t let yourself be held back by theoretical crap and unnecessary restrictions. Do what’s the most practical and useful towards your goals (+ injury prevention, and there many of chads ideas go right out the window for many, especially considering that you can get similar or better strength/size results from less “rebel” methods).

How you organize your routine is just how it all comes together in the end… Whether it’s a Full body program (arbitrary classification in most cases imo) or a split or whatever isn’t the important part and it’s not what should be on your mind first/what to base everything else around… Because there is absolutely NOTHING magical about either.

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Superb stuff.

[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
The same goes for how to construct your program.

Don’t let yourself be held back by theoretical crap and unnecessary restrictions. Do what’s the most practical and useful towards your goals (+ injury prevention, and there many of chads ideas go right out the window for many, especially considering that you can get similar or better strength/size results from less “rebel” methods).

How you organize your routine is just how it all comes together in the end… Whether it’s a Full body program (arbitrary classification in most cases imo) or a split or whatever isn’t the important part and it’s not what should be on your mind first/what to base everything else around… Because there is absolutely NOTHING magical about either.

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Superb stuff.[/quote]
I agree that people try to make too big a destinction between different forms of training. I always find that when you look at the way successful people train there are always far more similarities than differences when you really get down to it.

I like some of the simpler TBT programs for beginers because they dont have too many exercises and the beginer gets to practice the exercises a few times a week.
A lot of people who havent trained many beginers don’t realise that if you give them more than say 6 exercises total then some will completely forget half of them.

I also think that giving a true beginer 3+ exercises for a muscle group is a complete waste of time, by that last exercise their muscles are so fatigued and weak that they wont be getting any extra training stimulus.

Where splits come out ahead in my opinion is when a trainee is willing and able to train 4+ days a week. Doing a bodypart split allows you to train consecutive days with lots of volume and intensity. Unless you are doing 2+ hour TBT sessions I just can’t see how you can match the volume that you can achieve with a god split.

Most of the authors touting TBT have clients which have limited time, I don’t know of anyone who hires a trainer 6 days a week for an hour each session.
Its about marketablility, these guys say that you can get great results on TBT training 3 times per week, which you can. They just don’t mention that you could probably get better results training 5 days a weak on a split.

If I didn’t have much time, or I hated being in the gym then sure I would train on some kind of TBT or Upper lower split. But I enjoy training more and I beleive I get better results this way.

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[quote]Doyle wrote:

[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
The same goes for how to construct your program.

Don’t let yourself be held back by theoretical crap and unnecessary restrictions. Do what’s the most practical and useful towards your goals (+ injury prevention, and there many of chads ideas go right out the window for many, especially considering that you can get similar or better strength/size results from less “rebel” methods).

How you organize your routine is just how it all comes together in the end… Whether it’s a Full body program (arbitrary classification in most cases imo) or a split or whatever isn’t the important part and it’s not what should be on your mind first/what to base everything else around… Because there is absolutely NOTHING magical about either.

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Superb stuff.[/quote]
I agree that people try to make too big a destinction between different forms of training. I always find that when you look at the way successful people train there are always far more similarities than differences when you really get down to it.

I like some of the simpler TBT programs for beginers because they dont have too many exercises and the beginer gets to practice the exercises a few times a week.
A lot of people who havent trained many beginers don’t realise that if you give them more than say 6 exercises total then some will completely forget half of them.

I also think that giving a true beginer 3+ exercises for a muscle group is a complete waste of time, by that last exercise their muscles are so fatigued and weak that they wont be getting any extra training stimulus.

Where splits come out ahead in my opinion is when a trainee is willing and able to train 4+ days a week. Doing a bodypart split allows you to train consecutive days with lots of volume and intensity. Unless you are doing 2+ hour TBT sessions I just can’t see how you can match the volume that you can achieve with a god split.

Most of the authors touting TBT have clients which have limited time, I don’t know of anyone who hires a trainer 6 days a week for an hour each session.
Its about marketablility, these guys say that you can get great results on TBT training 3 times per week, which you can. They just don’t mention that you could probably get better results training 5 days a weak on a split.

If I didn’t have much time, or I hated being in the gym then sure I would train on some kind of TBT or Upper lower split. But I enjoy training more and I beleive I get better results this way.

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Good post

There are two problems that I see here. Firstly, we are conflating the term bodybuilding. Secondly, we are conflating the term TBT.

For some reason (probably a dumb one) people seem to think of bodybuilding as just getting bigger muscles and not being a fat slob. They seem to think of a bodybuilder as someone in pursuit of those goals. That’s why youtube is filled with 17yo dudes flexing their arms calling themselves bodybuilders.

Bodybuilding as it corresponds to this thread means training for a competition in which muscle symmetery, size, shape, and pronunciation are important. Building for the purpose of competing (or at least looking like it).

I don’t think Chad (first name basis) is saying his methods are better for the latter, but for the former. If he is saying it for the latter, he is clearly wrong.

On to TBT. It stands for total body training which literally means training your whole body in one session, but people take it to mean squat, bench, and pull-ups, 3x a week. So, there have been plenty of bodybuilders (competitors) who have successfully used total body training (though the routines looked more like a weeks worth of a split jammed into one session) but none who have used TBT.