I hope you’re enjoying your NRA stimulus, shill. You’re really stretching your credibility here. You’re saying these people may have changed their opinions on a subject?
I work in distribution in upstate NY for grocery chain out based in South Portland (you know the one). I want to transfer up there but my wife wants less winter. Nh and commute would be my first choice, but Maine is great. They bust our chops about N.Y.'s stupid gun laws. “I bought my glock 43 on lunch break!” Haha.
My first purchase got held up for a week due to NCIS background check false-positives, but my last few have been completed in a few minutes. I’m sure some states/jurisdictions see a need to introduce arbitrary time limits on the process, but I’m glad I can go buy whatever is available on my lunch break tomorrow, if I saw the need.
Not exactly
As of recent, particularly with the youth… More and more are showcasing dissatisfaction with the notion of no gun control at all. This doesn’t mean there is a whole lot of support for “take guns away”, hell there’d be riots if that happened over here… But generally support for background checks, barring felons from purchasing etc is supported (and some states are implimenting these measures)
If you’re a law abiding citizen, you needn’t be worried about a background check… Or so the rationale states. But a large majority of American citizens support barring the mentally ill from purchasing firearms, barring those on watch lists/no-fly lists from purchasing guns
As to concealed carry… Not a fan, but if anyone was to carry a weapon in public, I’d prefer it be someone like Idaho (on here) compared to the avg civilian… He’d probably be more than equipped to deal with an active shooter type situation, he knows how to use a gun properly etc.
I don’t see the point of civilians carrying if they don’t have extensive situational combat training (is that what it’s called?), Said civilians in my opinion are probably more prone to getting antsy in tense situations, prematurely discharging their weapons.
That being said, differing opinions on the matter are most certainly warranted. The majority of developed secular nations disagree with concealed carry, however sociocultural normalities and sheer rates of gun violence do differ from say… The UK vs the USA. I can certainly see why one might want to carry a weapon in the USA if they resided within/had to work within certain neighborhoods with very high crime rates. If I lived in a neighborhood with a gun homicide rate of say… 1000x where I currently live, I’d certainly purchase a pistol.
We shouldn’t be worried about stocking up on weapons to shoot people, we need to worry about staying at home, checking in on our friends, family/loved ones
Right… Why would anyone want a firearm right now?
You can be concerned about your food supply and personal security while still remaining at home and practicing the same social distancing policies you would at any other essential business. These are not mutually exclusive.
I don’t really have the energy to unpack all of the points you’ve made. I just don’t.
You can take my word for it or not, but I believe that Maine gun stores are likely to remain open, classified as “essential businesses”, which seems sensible to me, given the circumstances.
Australia has outright banned recreational gun ownership for the time being, in my opinion it’s a totally inappropriate measure to take. They say the ban was due to a doubling in gun license applications/gun purchases… What they failed to mention was that in the upcoming weeks the prices of guns/ammunition are set to increase sharply, hence why people were suddenly buying more. I believe the move was politically motivated. Due to extensive regulation, you can’t “stock up on guns” here over a short period of time, the reasoning for the uptick in gun applications was probably legitimate (not panic buying). Politicians (conspiracy theory here from unreal24278) are merely using this as an excuse to infringe upon civil rights/privileges as our government creeps towards totalitarian authoritarianism (okay, perhaps that a bit of a stretch, but it’s a worry I have.)
This is esp revelant considering its almost impossible to own a handgun, it takes 6 months +. Aside from shooting/hunting, you can’t take a gun out in public… The chance of an uptick in gun violence here in response to (probably) more farmers/skeet shooters etc buying guns is probably minimal. To take such an excessive precaution was massive overkill.
You are in the wrong thread.
Yes, this post would’ve probably been better suited for the coronavirus sub-thread (where politically charged arguments are deemed acceptable)… Or my thread, where off topic ramblings are deemed acceptable (anything goes so long as the discussion is civil)
However I did mention Australia’s ban on gun ownership, a topic of which I believe is revelant to here as some (myself included) would consider it to be an example of eroding personal rights/privileges
I’ll edit out the parts not suitable for this thread and move that portion of the post elsewhere.
It looks like none of your data includes March or April of 2020, fwiw…
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As to the topic of civil liberties. I’ve noticed an interesting paradigm within Australian culture. As a society, we generally tend to harbour a very anti-authority/DIY attitude. However when it gets down to actually pushing back against authoritarian measures, we crumble/do nothing. Perhaps the populace is simply too lazy and/or doesn’t care.
Whilst we may talk shit about the government, we may despise (have been revoked now… Sydney lockout laws), warrantless strip searching, anti protesting laws etc… but we aren’t doing much to push back, the populace merely accepts any new legislature passed… Why?
Should also be noted Australia is one of the only countries (aside from Canada and New Zealand) that have yet to separate from theoretically being under British rule.
Yes, you very succinctly summed up this thread I started. I have read, and listened to local politicians in my state spout some outrageous crap, not giving a fuck about the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Right now, it has calmed down some after the Governor released the guidelines on a “lock down”, through executive order.
I am a federal LEO and I will not roll over.Period. The thing that worries me is I, and anyone else who is LEO or military are conditioned to take orders. It’s drilled into you, if the order is legal, you follow or face disciplinary action. That’s the big question, isn’t it ? When does the violations of rights become legal?
I read a lot of stuff and I hope this is just media crap, but, this is the kind of statements that worry me:
"Perhaps most alarming, the U.S. Department of Justice “has quietly asked Congress for the ability to ask chief judges to detain people indefinitely without trial during emergencies.”
Agreed, statements like this are worrying. I can’t comment for America, but in Australia federal parliament is shut til August… The Federal government at this point has virtually unlimited executive power during a stage 3 lockdown.
In all seriousness, the chances of the government turning legitimately tyrannical is zilch, however the government is currently having authorities conduct spot checks at houses, random checkpoints to ensure you’re out with “reasonable cause” etc. One could argue civil liberties are being eroded at this point, esp considering how one can’t apply for a gun license at all anymore (it appears I would actually be exempt given I live on farmland, but I’m not buying a gun…). We already had enough regulation/restriction to avoid firearms falling into the wrong hands, barring people applying full stop is just ridiculous.
The uptick in firearm applications here was likely in part due to the fact ammo/firearm prices were set to dramatically increase in the coming weeks/months. The decision (I’ve specified this above) to bar gun ownership was probably politically charged rather than out of concern for safety… but perhaps I’m wrong, perhaps the government legitimately thought public safety was at risk… I doubt it though, it takes like 1.5 months just to purchase a gun here, you can’t exactly “stock up”.
I don’t think this imposed restriction will last long, it’s a temporary measure, but still one step too far. Believe it or not, the majority of Australian’s were on board with this. I think it was far too extreme given aside from those living rurally, we don’t exactly have the highest rate of gun ownership to begin with (not exactly “low” though) and we have an even lower rate of gun homicide/related deaths.
Only time can tell how permanent these draconian levels of restriction will be. If the populace becomes completely fed up new state/federal governments will be voted in.
If courts are shut down (as they have been in my area for weeks and for weeks into the future), what is to be done with suspects caught red-handed? They are currently bring detained, and don’t know when they can appear before a judge.
What do you think can be done in those situation? This isn’t a hypothetical, this is happening right now and the lead judge in our county is wrestling with this issue. My SO clerked for him, and is still close with him (we have dinner with him a couple times s year). He made the call to close the courts to protect people, knowing there would be rights issues… But what could he do? Tons of high risk people (himself included) would have been forced into a life threatening situation.
IMO, they should not hold people until an undetermined time, just because of a pandemic as it is a violation of their rights. These people are presumed innocent as of now. Why would we hold someone presumed innocent?
At this point the right thing to do is release the arrested people who have not had a trial yet, and inform them that they will be notified in the future of an upcoming trial.
I wouldn’t worry that much about this. Unless something has drastically changed, there will be a significant percentage of active duty personal that will refuse a blatant violation of the BoR and we’re not talking about Constitutional scholars here, anything that appears to be a blatant violation will be refused.
Unreal. Fuck Due Process amirite…
Folks caught red-handed for murder, rape, DV, molestation, etc should not be released IMO. That would be a huge issue. People are refused bail for good reason, and those folks would be released.
Implications on both sides are not good.
If you don’t want to release them, give them a trial. I don’t believe anything should remove ones constitutional rights.
We can weigh the risk of releasing someone, and the risk of giving them a trial. If the risk of releasing someone is greater than the risk of the trial, then give them the trial. If the judge won’t uphold the constitution, IMO he is not fit to be a judge, and a replacement should be found.
IMO, the criminal justice system prior to coronavirus was in violation of the constitution. We have people arrested that can not afford bail, that wait in jail for years before they ever get a trial. It is just wrong.
It has happened before that what was thought to be a slam dunk amount of evidence against someone (OJ is a good example) ended up going to trial and the person was found not guilty.
So are you in favor of opening the courts back up, or allowing everyone arrested to be released after being booked?
I am for our constitutional rights being maintained. I think in most cases that the person should just be released and notified that they will have a court case in the future. If they are deemed to be too dangerous to be released, then yes the courts must be opened to uphold that persons rights.
Basically, I am saying we need to uphold the constitution, and not make an all or nothing decision. We should weigh each case based on risks.
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