https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/16-year-old-girl-in-france-succumbs-to-covid-19/1783733
Furthermore, a 1.4% death rate if half the US is infected still rounds out to being 4.4 million people dead (provided initially 320 million people are in the USA)
I don’t get it.
At this point, it’s already going to be VERY difficult to contain community spread. Furthermore, rates of daily spread in Italy have statistically been reduced in response to full on lockdown being initiated. Without any preventative measures the number of cases could’ve been say 1 million, with 50,000 deaths
“Worse than China” is going way to far, presenting conspiracy stuff this way makes it hard/unlikely for many to take seriously
Mostly agree with your post tho
Shit haha I was using the calculation of 320 million people, not 160
I’m not sleeping these days
Probably averaging about 24 hrs per week (sleep). It’s taking it’s toll regarding cognitive function at this point
Well that’s a new one, maybe the baby had some other health issues.
Threaten to make them pay taxes.
That would just make rich pastors ask for money so they can get more jets. You want people like Oral Roberts to have to ask for 10 million instead of 8?!
“In 1987, television preacher Oral Roberts made a dramatic appeal. If his supporters did not send donations totaling $8 million dollars within three months, he warned that God would “call me home.” There were those who complained that Roberts was extorting his viewers and using the Deity as an accomplice, but there was no doubting his charisma — or his results. Roberts received over $9 million, and God did not call him home.”
infants/babies have weaker immune systems compared to fully grown adults
The elderly probably aren’t the only demographic at serious risk. Infants, elderly, immunocompromised teenagers/young adults etc, those with underlying conditions known to increase the incidence of covid-19 induced complications (hypertension, type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease etc)
Only old people is a myth that has been slow to die. While undoubtedly the highest number of deaths 20% of people ages 20-44 required hospitalization. This thing isn’t discriminatory when it comes to being a serious issue for people. It’s just far more likely to end in death for certain people based on initial data. I’m pretty healthy and in the middle of that age bracket. I’m not too fearful of death from it. Statistically unlikely. I don’t much want to be in the hospital period. But when we’re lacking resources? Fuck no. Not to mention while it’s unlikely to kill me I can certainly spread it to people who would be a much greater risk. And that’s enough for me. My job still requires me to be around people. Not as often, but not 0. It’s likely I don’t see my parents in person for quite a while.
Not that we can necessarily count on the Chinese for information but they had a retrospective number of over 2,000 children being infected which is worth noting. The link I got that from said the number is iffy because it could have been diagnosed in error due to similar issues in infants.
Well until they do the research it will always be a conspiracy though hehe.
From your article - basically the entire article without the clickbait title:
“So, I want to say to all those who are preparing the potential of religious services this weekend – if you go to your synagogue, if you go to your church and attempt to hold services after having been told so often not to, our enforcement agents will have no choice but to shut down those services,” de Blasio told reporters. “I don’t say that with any joy. It’s the last thing I would like to do because I understand how important people’s faiths are to them, and we need our faiths in this time of crisis, but we do not need gatherings that will endanger people.”
“No faith tradition endorses anything that endangers the members of that faith,” de Blasio continued. “So, the NYPD, Fire Department, Buildings Department, and everyone has been instructed that if they see worship services going on, they will go to the officials of that congregation, they’ll inform them they need to stop the services and disperse.”
“If that does not happen, they will take additional action up to the point of fines and potentially closing the building permanently,” de Blasio concluded. “Again, that will begin this weekend. Again, I’m sorry I have to tell you this, but anyone who’s hearing this, take it seriously. You’ve been warned, you need to stop services, help people practice their faith in different ways, but not in groups, not in gatherings that could endanger people.”
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Thousands of deaths due to a pandemic that is hitting hard in cities with tens of thousands of deaths ranging from an infant to the elderly, and a city mayor is pleading with a tax exempt organization to stop gathering people in enclosed spaces when the local government has forbade it. No punishment, no fine, nothing - just a warning to comply with lawful orders. The morality of that legality is debatable, if you wish, but their inherent legality is not.
Using churches whose leaders would call a gathering during this particular event as proof of oppression is silly.
Synogauges are continuing to hold mass gatherings in order to make a minyan during service (generally if the required amount of people required for a minion can’t be met, certain texts can’t be read). A minyan requires at least ten people.
The ultra orthodox aren’t adhering to social distancing rules as religious ceremony/certain services require groups of people present in order to be held. Furthermore, technology/virtual service is prohibited as technology isn’t allowed on shabbas (Friday night through to Saturday evening) on the basis of this quote “Do not light a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.” (Exodus 35:3). The Ultra Orthodox isolate themselves from secular society entirely, abstaining from using any form of technology (go to Haredi neighborhoods in Jerusalem, they don’t know what a camera is… And the way women are treated isn’t great either)
One orthodox rabbi in particular if I recall has come forward to state davening during this current predicament is equivalent to davening in vein. The safety of humanity is certainly more important than making a minion. But… as is customary with Jewish law, numerous interpretations/opinions will be harboured. One rabbi may tell you to stay home, another will tell you to keep attending service.
Religious organisations generally get a lot of leeway, exemption to the law. Humanity puts a lot of inherent faith within these organisations, expecting them to abide by the philosophies they preach. The problem is… This is modern society, not biblical times.
Legality or lack thereof pertaining to certain actions can serve as either a deterrent or incentive. With certain behaviours (say minor vandalism) the illlicit nature of the crime can serve as both depending on the individual at stake. The ability to make a decent income exempt of paying tax would probably incentivise one to continually abuse such a loophole, money talks…
I am generally not fond of organised religion (though I grew up somewhat surrounded by it, esp within my family). In Australia more often than not people aren’t religious at all… This was one of the largest cultural differences I noticed coming back from America. During my residency in the United States I was frequently told to find a purpose I needed god, that not believing in a higher power would serve as a significant detriment… Here no one cares, it doesn’t weigh in on whether someone considers you morally sound or not.
But this really bothers me, religious organisations aren’t willing to close in response to a fairly deadly virus sweeping through communities… Why not? I don’t know about christianity, but within the Jewish religion you can certainly daven without a crowd, you can prey/read certain scripture without others present, putting prayer on hold for a few months won’t kill anybody… Going to service with large crowds present in the mist of a pandemic certainly will. A hard line stance needs to be taken on this, religious organisations certainly shouldn’t be exempt from the law here (or in my opinion… At all, they should pay tax, it isn’t as if they aren’t reaping in a ton of money through donations alone).
I back you’re initial opinion. Telling churches, synogauges, mosques etc to close during this time of crisis certainly isn’t infringing upon civil liberties, it’s an example of trying to deter mass gatherings/spread within the greater community.
Was hesitant to post this… A member of my extended family (blood relative) caught covid-19 while abroad. Anecdotally (this person isn’t much older than I am) this is “much, much, much worse than the flu”…
Many doctors are astounded by the aggressive nature of this virus. One of my uncle’s (also MD) stated “we haven’t seen anything like this before”, he spoke about the aggressive nature of the virus, how infectious it is etc. Many docs are astounded by the rapid progression of the virus sometimes observed within otherwise stable patients… One minute you’ll see a sick patient in stable condition (albeit fever, shivers etc), five minutes later out of the blue… Respiratory failure (in sometimes otherwise healthy young adults).
If we overwhelm hospitals entirely… Many more will die who could’ve otherwise been saved through medical intervention
Absolutely, I am on a church leadership team and we closed our church for physical meetings before the UK gov banned public meetings, it’s the Christian principle of loving your neighbour (is it loving at a time of pandemic, to unnecessarily meet together risking spreading the virus not just to other Christians, who might be more comfortable about their own mortality, but to those who don’t believe and aren’t keen to contract a potentially fatal disease anytime soon?).
Also if the state has mandated closure for then you should obey it:
“For the Lord’s sake, submit to all human authority—whether the king as head of state, or the officials he has appointed. For the king has sent them to punish those who do wrong and to honor those who do right. It is God’s will that your honorable lives should silence those ignorant people who make foolish accusations against you. For you are free, yet you are God’s slaves, so don’t use your freedom as an excuse to do evil. Respect everyone, and love the family of believers. Fear God, and respect the king.
1 Peter 2:13-17”
Right to peaceably assemble vs basically an ad-hominem
Government shutting down religious services is a big deal
Tho I agree religious services should be decreased in frequency and/or size at this time, how to do that and to what extent ought not be for the state to decide
For how long?
Youre missing the point. Church leaders may be wrong for holding a service in your mind, but De Blasio doesn’t have the authority to shut them down. The threat of doing so should be alarming.
Why doesn’t he have the authority?
