Based on most car person collisions do not result in death.
If you read my first post on this subject (people blocking roads), I just stated that I don’t find a moral issue with giving a warning, then proceeding as slow as possible (1-2 mph).
I did specifically say I was unsure of the legality of this method, just that I wouldn’t find it immoral. To me the likely outcome in this situation would be a bruise to the person refusing to move. IMO, they choose that outcome by blocking me.
I think this whole thing started due to a strawman of my original argument, that I pointed out, but others have run with the strawman as my actual argument.
My position is something I’m a bit on the fence about, and have thought about on occasion when people have chosen to block roads. The morality might get a bit hazy for most after sitting and waiting a few hours for the idiots blocking traffic.
You are not completely unjustified in inching forward IMO, as they are causing a direct negative impact on you.
My justification that they choose the outcome is also a bit shaky. I’m sure they would say they didn’t choose that outcome.
Some states actually had legislation explicitly legalizing such action proposed, but I believe all of them dropped it. You CAN likely be charged anywhere-just like you CAN likely be charged with one of the crimes in the homicide family if you shoot and kill someone that breaks into your house(edit: forgot to add “outside of Castle Doctrine states”)…
Of course, if the guy is wielding a knife and going to your kid’s room, you’re probably alright. Similarly, if you’re going through a protest(unsanctioned) roadblock at 2mph and attempting to avoid the protestors(meaning they’re having to move to get in front of you), you’ll probably be alright criminally anywhere with sensible people(I would argue that if someone is getting in front of you and getting run over at 2mph, that person is in need of a psych eval, anyway).
Although it is rare for me to agree with Nick, I will advocate that we don’t exaggerate his positions, or poke fun at his expense. For one these forums would be pretty boring without different opinions. Secondly, if the goal is to convince someone to take a position that is reasonable, I don’t think the things I’ve brought up help.
I used to have more positions that had poor rational backing them up. The people most convincing to me did not exaggerate my positions or poke fun at me.
I do agree. My statement was probably (definitely) uncalled for. I really don’t mind his political/social views, more so am often just confused by the sarcastic comments he makes. In the end though, I don’t think he cares and nothing I say should really matter to anyone so it’s unnecessary for me to say.
I really don’t see anything wrong with this. We’re under quarantine and people aren’t following directions. You’re putting lives at risk breaking quarantine rules.
Does a sheriff really have the power to close guns shops and deny people the right to self-defense?
If the shops pose a threat to the general population, then sure. I’m not too familiar with the laws surrounding this, but in my opinion these shops should be held open. They’re essential.
They shouldn’t. Unless it’s quarantine.
Who declared martial law? This is a pandemic.
Rights to individual freedom don’t always apply when they could harm other people. The best way I’ve heard it said is “Your right to flail your arms around stops at my face. If you hit me, your rights stop, and laws take over.”
Quarantine is the same way. You’re not breaking any laws by being sick, but your right to individual freedom is trumped by the harm you could inflict on others. The population at large is protected, at a comparatively small cost of personal liberty.
The federal government derives its authority for isolation and quarantine from the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution.
Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264), the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states.
The authority for carrying out these functions on a daily basis has been delegated to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
Too dangerous. Just stay inside. Your superiors will let you know when you can emerge-we’ve named the superiorest “The Groundhog,” in honor of his responsibility.
You are still part of and can affect public health. The exercise of your liberties could inflict harm on another person - you could get the virus and transmit the virus.