I'm Getting Worried: The Erosion of Our Rights

Meanwhile, Trump casts himself as the captain who tortured his men until they mutinied against him.

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I am not sure what he was thinking with that tweet. Maybe he hasn’t seen the film.

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I’m wondering which version was his favorite.

Reporter: A quick question about something you just said: You said, “When someone is President of the United States, their authority it total.” That is not true. Who told you that?

Trump: Okay. You know what we’re going to do? We’re going to write up papers on this. It’s not going to be necessary, because the Governors need us one way or the other. Because, ultimately, it comes with the Federal Government. That said, we’re getting along very well with the Governors, and I feel very certain that there won’t be a problem.

Reporter: Has any Governor agreed that you have the authority to decide when their state opens back up?

Trump: I haven’t asked anybody. Because I don’t. You know why? Because I don’t have to.

Reporter: But who told you the President has the total authority?

Trump: Enough. Please(pointing to another reporter).

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Not sure this is the thing to defend him on, but then again…I already laid out how his supporters would defend him on it.

Trump is doing just as much wiggling to try and kick ass while at the same time cover it, as you are doing to defend him. I know, it sucks for you to hate the Hillary Boogeyman and her hypothetical dictatorship while Trump is displaying not only a disregard for the Constitution but ignorance of it, not hypothetically, but in the real world. You guys didn’t learn from Obama’s Sharia law dictatorship that never happened. You’re so busy looking over your shoulders and saying but but Hillary, you don’t see the petty little despot wannabe in front of you.

I literally typed that up, word for word. This is getting very silly, I’ll see ya around.

I’m not, and it shouldn’t need defending for most anyway. His words just don’t represent some new power grab. Presidents have actually abused their power before(and often). He didn’t even talk about using any kind of force to ensure compliance.

It’s awful that a President is even asked about the Coronavirus situation, as he should have absolutely nothing to do with it. But here we are, and we’ve been here a lot longer than Trump has been President.

The fact people, Americans, can ignore what their president says because they’re just words, regardless of how silly, stupid, ignorant, hateful, divisive, anti-constitutional they are, is sad. The fact liberal tears are that important to them is a sign of how they have the same emotional and intellectual development as a five year old.

How I’ll frame it?

The president does not have direct authority over the state’s. There are many aspects he does in regards to interstate commerce, a clause that has been bastardized for a long time in order for the federal goverment to concentrate power. He should have much less power than he has, but we can thank 100 years of progressives and a complacent populous for that.

In regards to the constitution i believe in originalism. The executive and courts wield more power than they were ever intended to have. Should Trump push the boundaries, the courts usually stretch the limits of the interstate commerce clause in the executive’s favor.

Just so I’m clear, Trump is wrong but i have no faith in the courts.

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Don’t forget Congress!

Okay, I know he’s wrong, that was clear from the second he opened his mouth there. You and Nick usually just have a lot of disdain for authoritarian douchebags (and liberals have em in spades, I know), so I’m wondering when we’re going to drop the “hes wrong, let’s move on” and the “this is what he might have meant, and ill defend that thing”, and get down to the brass tacks. You posted a picture imagining the members of the constitutional convention would scoff at what’s happening with this pandemic, I figured you’d appreciate the president taking a steamy dump on the constitution on television. Especially as an “originalist”.

Yes and no. Congress steals power from the people by writing bullshit law, but then punt their authority to the executive. Instead of writing specific law, because that would take effort, they give authority over something to an existing or newly created alphabet agency.

And? Isn’t that the whole point of the meme?

I’m a libertarian dude. I want them all to have as little say in my life as possible. I honestly would argue that governors and the president didnt have the power to shut everyone down in the first place.

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You’re just pretty inconsistent with him. Maybe you don’t recognize it. You’ve criticized a lot of politicians words before. But you apologize or deflect his essentially all the time.

Why care if any politician says they are going to take all the guns, let illegals in, whatever? It’s just words. A politician who says over and over again I’m taking every gun in America can be dismissed if he hasn’t threatened force? That’s not how these things work.

He’s the President of the United States and what you say absolutely matters. It just doesn’t seem to matter much to you. Which is fine, but you’re wrong. I don’t think a single book on leadership nor anyone who has worked with a good leader would say “meh we don’t really take what he says seriously since he doesn’t care about what he says.”

Trump doesn’t give a shit what he says and never has. We shouldn’t do the same.

And the states.

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Nope.

You’ve explained the difference between Trump’s words and the words of polished politicians that carefully consider every word they utter, and that is why I feel a bit differently about what he says.

Ok other posters view you as inconsistent based on your posting history. I’m not trying to convince you you are. But you don’t have a history of defending a lot of people until he got in. And now it’s pretty hard to see any criticism from you on him. Even if it flies completely in the face of your beliefs.

Except you can’t really go off what people don’t say. Not sure exactly how that’s the same. Have a lot of other politicians said what he has said or are you just reading their mind?

I believe people who consider the words they utter are often called adults.

…? It shouldn’t ever even come up in conversation as it kills thousands of people (including Americans) and spreads across the globe?

Can’t help how people feel, but that’s ignorant. I said Obama was nowhere near the worst President ever, and I’m going to defend Trump in the same way until he does something terrible.

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I will say that he consistently does things not permitted by the Constitution. Obama did as well. So did Bush II. So did Clinton. So did Bush I. Need I continue? You know what I DO like about Trump? There has been constant opposition to him from all sides. I think he’s at least a BIT different from almost all past Presidents, because of that. I don’t think he’s a marionette. I think he makes decisions; I don’t think he is being told what to do and then being asked to cover for the marionettist.