Sorry. I know you guys don’t like dissenting views. What does anyone accomplish by posting on the political subforum of a bodybuilding website’s message board? That’s about the dumbest response I can imagine to anything that’s said here. You don’t like Trump. If you change the mind of every person that looks at this message board between now and then, do you think that would change the next election?
If you believe that governments collect funds in the same manner that private citizens do, that’s fine.
No. People are bitter because their money is taken against their wills. Many take it out on the less-fortunate. It’s not about the amount, but the principle.
I don’t have a problem with dissenting views. But you said my views were unreasonable. And I merely pointed out that my views are much more common (on here and in real life) than yours. I’m sure the people who think 9/11 was an inside job and sandy hook was child actors think my views are also unreasonable.
No. I enjoy discussing politics. I guess I don’t see the things as that similar. I’m sitting here wishing and discussing that people would realize the President is a jackass. But I know he won’t be President much longer no matter what due to our system.
You’re sitting here feeling like the country is stealing from you and has stolen from everyone since it started. That you’re this prisoner in this country being robbed at gunpoint with each purchase you make. It seems as if you discussing these things amongst 20 people is far less trivial than me.
So we agree that taxation isn’t the reason people are not helping others it seems.
I thought I had? I don’t view taxation as theft or slavery. So I don’t believe anyone has been forced to do anything for him. I do think it’s good that systems exist which do things for him. And I don’t think if the government never did a damn thing people like that would be better off. I think those systems were created because people saw needs in society and voted for people to make them happen.
Trust me we have a shit ton of issues in our system and the one I used to work in education. But the where’s the family and where’s the church just doesn’t cut it. Not everyone is born to good parents. And most of the kids I work with don’t have any good people in their lives. You know who takes a lot of our kids on short term basis? Teachers, paras, etc. because they have a connection with these kids. Maybe public education ain’t all bad.
People are generally selfish, and we particularly live in a society where greed isn’t just common but celebrated as a virtue. Where those who don’t have much or can’t work are viewed as takers and leeches. And not called that behind their back but out in the open sometimes by elected officials.
Trust me I wish it was a hypothetical. I’m not making that situation up. And it’s far from the only similar one I work on. Although I will say his total amount of needs is one of the most significant at least in my office.
I still do not see how governments job is to secure rights only, but they are going to exist without any funding. I just have no idea how that would work or the last example of a significant number of citizens who had a successful society and no taxation. I certainly couldn’t see it happening in high population countries.
All of these anarcho dorks certainly appreciate the sacrifices others have made in order to create a nation in which they have the luxury to dream up fairy tale ideologies.
Thank you for paying them taxes that built the highways and sewer systems. Thank you for fighting wars to bring this nation into existence and maintain its existence.
Thank you for the standard of living, law and order, and freedom.
Oh yeah, don’t expect me to step up if this country needs me or give anything back, and I take back those thank yous because I never asked for anyone to do any of those things for me…but I sure will enjoy it.
It doesn’t really matter how you view it, taxation is a form of theft. You see it morally justifiable to take property from someone eelse. No matter how righteous your reasoning, you’re using the threat of force to take property from someone.
Totally agree. So why let them collectively take your shit?
I would say you can find plenty of articles that say yes and plenty that say no.
Don’t you legally have no right to your total pre-tax income? I mean isn’t that essentially what the system of government we have says? A legal system determined (by representatives elected throughout decades including your ancestors) that some things would legally come out of a paycheck? They would vary based on a number of things? I pay some state taxes you might not. You pay some taxes more than me?
I don’t see that as theft. I mean we can vote on tax policy can’t we? So get people in office who want to abolish something that happened at the start of the country? Make taxation illegal. Then figure out everything else and everyone will totally volunteer and things will be great.
But honestly I feel like we’ve beat a lot of the is it theft or not to death. I just don’t know why if you feel you will be robbed until the end of time why you either aren’t getting people in office to change that OR you aren’t creating a new society which doesn’t have it.
Perhaps it’s very possible that your life is extremely cushy and comfortable since you have a mix of freedom and government. Which is ok mine is cushy as well.
Taxation is far from the only thing in our society that has punishment if you don’t do things. I mean we can come up with tons of examples. And I do not care if someone views it all as theft/force whatever.
But then that person is saying I have decided to live in a place where I’m robbed everyday and forced to do a ton of stuff that I don’t want to which keep me from being free. So I guess I don’t know what to say to that. It seems to me like other options exist.
Man I can’t find it but used to be a decent amount of anarcho-capitalists on a poker board I frequented. One of them had a video where it was essentially just him saying “why can’t I be free” over and over again. He was overweight and using free time to shoot a video with an expensive computer from his basement dungeon prison. Probably with electricity and running water systems paid for by people before him.
True that. @Alrightmiami19c’s vote is probably worth at least 150,000,000 or so. Why aren’t your 150,000,000 votes getting people in office to change things, @Alrightmiami19c?
Where should he do this? Antarctica? @Alrightmiami19c, why haven’t you moved to Antarctica? How about Somalia? We all know for a fact that there are no taxes there, because room temperature IQs mention it every time someone mentions that taxation doesn’t seem quite like a voluntary transaction. We also know that nobody with any desire for freedom would rather remain close to family and friends than live somewhere that offers lower taxation and nothing else.
Also: @Alrightmiami19c, how would you(you personally) go about performing brain surgery in a society without taxation or laws against the interstate distribution of raw milk?
Like I said we vote on tax policy. I’m giving you solutions I didn’t say you could snap your fingers.
Doesn’t matter to me. Again I’m giving solutions. Let’s not act like the things I’m saying are impossible.
Looks like another non arrogant attack on someone from the devout Christian?
You got the nothing else part right maybe. Why not convince those people to start the society with you? You can certainly move to places where you will be “robbed” far less frequently. hell you can even do that in America. Go live in the bum fuck middle of nowhere and be robbed a much smaller amount than someone in a city.
You have freedom even if you pretend you don’t. Or is your guard pointing a gun at your head saying post on t-nation in this house with electricity and high speed internet that you sleep in. Who forced you to buy a vehicle? A tv? The phone or computer you’re posting on?
My one wish would be for the fully privatized no government system to happen in modern times simply so we could finally say what pretty much everyone else already knows.
No government isn’t any less insane than a full on communist. Both trumpet fringe positions with zero chance of working with any decent amount of people.
Don’t worry no one seems to have the desire to try out ACism so it can always be trotted out as something that would totally work.
Edit: Please explain how, without government, you will scratch your balls while a ravenous cougar crushes your skull with its jaws, when you finish explaining brain surgery.
Seems like this robbery society has figured both out. But no chance for exploitation. Anarcho capitalism surely won’t have any possibility of a few people controlling all the resources of an area. Ya know like when people started asking for rules against those things in all free market based societies?
The roads and hospitals will be built by the churches and volunteers. You might have to spend all your money to have electricity and running water, but look at the bright side no payroll tax! And no one forcing you to have those things anyways. Zero coercion!
Look at that vocabulary! It’s unbelievable to me that with so many people in your family taught with public education they could pass that on? Or maybe they didn’t have public education but despite being robbed on a daily basis they still had time to teach. And they had a kid who has probably lived his entire life without freedom and consistent muggings somehow rising above it all to get Internet, phone, the works.
A marvelous success story. Overcoming the shackles of America in 2020 to deliver the masses of T-nation a message of hope. A prisoner of the state risking his life for us.
But yes while you can find plenty of oddities in modern successful societies to laugh at and I can laugh with you your society is impervious to criticism. Supporting a non-existent utopia has a lot of perks when it comes to arguing.