Shot in left glute now and with 2.5 cc to test the theory of if once a week shots are enough with test enan. Will be interesting.
2.5 cc took a while to inject. Push, pause, push, pause … It’s a whole lotta volume.
Still not used to inject. I am full of sweat when I finish. It’s like I can overcome my fear of shots but I still have the symptoms of the fear. Or it could be that I hold my breath and strain myself while just getting out of the shower so it’s easy to start sweating? i should relax more and take deep, steady breaths.
[quote]funmetal wrote:
Left quad shot is better than the right one and next one will have to be in the ventrogluteal site. I’m going to track down that sweet spot!
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Put on a pair of jeans like Levis and look at the right pocket; the ventro site is essentially under the little coin pocket. Another way to think of it is this: take your right hand and use your middle finger to feel for the knob of your right hip; once you’re comfy you have your middle fingertip on the middle of the knob, place your thumb just across the iliac crest – the bone that arches right about where your thumb is right now. If your index finger (the pointer-finger) is vertical, your middle finger is on the knob of your hip, and your thumb is following your iliac crest, then your ventrogluteal site is in the vee made by your thumb to your index finger. Shoot inside the triangle made by your finger and thumb.
Thanks for the explanation relative a self injector instead of a 3rd person perspective. Will try it out very soon. I’m doing injections every week instead of 2 times per week.
Injected another shot of 2.5 ccs into the right quad. It’s second time I do this e7d protocol and I can’t complain. I do less shots which for me is a big must as I can’t stand injections and I haven’t yet had any problems with hormonal levels swinging up and down, yet it’s too early to say.
Otherwise training is very good. I have trouble with my joints as I can lift much more than I’m used to and have to use gloves or wrist wraps for almost any exercise as I feel my hands are ripping out of their sockets I go very, very hard without aas so imagine with aas. Not good for my body. I have to fight the urge to go bazonkas on the weights as I would easile injure myself.
I am doing good progressions on all lifts and am huge like a fucking house even if I take arimidex to fight the water accumulation. I take tbol religiously 2 times per day, in the morning and in the evening to simplify it. Again just as with the shots I do 2 doses per day instead of the more “correct” of 3 times per day.
I am eating all the protein I can get and can easily say I was overtrained before because most of the time I’m recuperating and still growing. It’s like I have a buffer of growingness in the muscles that was just suppressed because I had not enough protein synthesis capability in the body.
Testosterone is not a magic bullet. It’s damn powerful but requires that you have everything down to pat. I eat more sugar than before wich was holding my natural progress back as well as my geared progress.
[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
I would go back to your E3D or 2X/wk protocol. Even if you dont feel your blood levels fluctuating, they are. Take the extra before you plan to leave.[/quote]
I might go back to e3d because I do feel a bit nauseous the first 2 days after a 500 mg shot, and the last 3 days I feel a bit weak. But if I just say fuck it and train anyways I do have a good training just my mind is fighting me from going to the gym.
Did a 2.5 cc injection into the left quad. What a f****ng mess! I finally did a good shot on the fourth try. The three previous ones all hit nerves. What are the chances?
I will no longer cycle quads and glutes but only glutes and ventroglutes. No more excuses. I will find that ventro site. I will dedicate two weeks to learn how to find and virtually track that spot. Thanks to the guys that already pointed me into the right direction. I wanted to use the ventro site but hesitated, always in the last minute as I was not sure where to pin it.
Next week I’m back on 2 shots per week as it really does matter with e3d with enanthate.
One more month to go and I’m on PCT. I give this cycle a 10 week duration. I have become monstrous but have also packed on some fat due to eating too many sugars. This time around I did a good bulk and will follow with a good cut. No more bulk-cut madness.
Went back to e3d or twice per week and I feel much better.
Edit - removed an unnecessary rant.
E7d is only doable if absolutely necessary and you have no other option. Otherwise it sucks bigtime as it will give you roller coaster hormone swings. At the end of the 7 days I was emotional also. Was crying to some movies like a little girl.
Now e3d is golden and keeps you at not only a comfortable level but at a damn good feeling level.
I had the same experience when shooting in the glutes as with last time in quads but not as brutal. I have become sensitive? It looks like I have more surface level nerve reactions. It’s not just a small pain but a huge fucking excruciating pain that when I try to push it in anyway it’s like I was pushing into a metal wall. No, I’m not a cyborg
Otherwise the after the shot pain is no more noticable. No more sore quds or glutes for a few days. Looks like the muscles have accepted to have oil shot into them.
Soon just two weeks left of my 10 weeker. One more week of tbol for a total of 6 weeks, but I’m considering dropping it as my lower back hurts a lot.
Up until now no complications of any sort, no problems with injections except some pain when pinning surface level nerves.
For number crucnchers my lifts went up around 10 pounds per week steadily from week 3 onwards and have not yet declined or plateaud. I will still not continue more than 10 weeks. I went from a front squat of 3 reps with 95 to 110 kgs in 3 weeks. A squat from of 3 reps 120 kgs to 145 in 4 weeks. All of these lifts are part of series of 8 or 6 sets so it’s not at all maxlifting. All lifting was done with ass to ground for squats (front/back) and strict form.
Other lifts also went up like db decline bench from dbs of 47.5 kgs to 52.5 kgs in 3 weeks, with super good form and not feeling like I was loosing control. It was like my mind was a bit critical to what was happening. Like it didn’t believe the changes going on.
Doing standing calves in a Smith maschine with 200 kgs loaded on the Smith bar. I added 10 kgs each week to that lift as a reference.
Weight wise I was bulking until I was too fat, but now I’m on low carb high protein diet for the last 4 weeks of the cycle and it will continue for another 3 months. I was ridiculously huge for my build.
I’m very happy with my results and will mae a break of at least 5 months to let my body recompose its natural levels.
My sex drive was up in the beginning, then fluctuating and now declining a bit. Normally I have a high sex drive which can be stronger then what I’m experiencing now at the end of my cycle.
I had fun reading that thread as I’m about to begin the fun again in 7 days. I too dislike quad shots. One in two is painful the next few days after the shot, and one in 4 seem to hit a nerve.
Even though the angle is better and the muscle is well placed in front of you, I have a harder time piercing the skin. Anyway, I like glute and ventro as well. Except for the smallish injections I do for the TEST TAPER.
I highly suggest you follow Prisoner’s test taper idea. With sane dosage of pure Test like you did, maybe 4 weeks at 100mg followed by weeks of 80, 60, 40, and 20mg would do the trick. Yes, I split those small doses (except the last one) in two shots a week. I use slin pins and shoot in the quads and sometimes delts.
No crash. No mood swings. You just feel “normal” again, which sucks compared to your superpowerful version, but there’s no drug induced depression. Besides the extra needle work, it’s simply the best way to come off IMO.
I highly suggest you follow Prisoner’s test taper idea. With sane dosage of pure Test like you did, maybe 4 weeks at 100mg followed by weeks of 80, 60, 40, and 20mg would do the trick. Yes, I split those small doses (except the last one) in two shots a week. I use slin pins and shoot in the quads and sometimes delts.
No crash. No mood swings. You just feel “normal” again, which sucks compared to your superpowerful version, but there’s no drug induced depression. Besides the extra needle work, it’s simply the best way to come off IMO.
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Thanks for the tips Swd. I think I will go with a shut-off period just to see what happens. I was on high dosed orals last time and only felt shitty for a week so I guess I can take that. I rather not inject for another 6-8 weeks.
[quote]Power GnP wrote:
Funmetal how do you like the tbol? I’m about to embark on a 12 week Test Prop and 6 week Tbol cycle.[/quote]
I’m just getting rid of a stash of tbol so I’m not taking it because I planned it specifically for this cycle. I think it definitely makes you harder and gives a boost in workouts and for muscle build-up. However it’s not that “wow” like I would imagine dbol would be as there is no water retention or such a marked strength effect. It builds up slowly and adds to the anabolic effect of the test.
I think if you are looking for a booster you should look for dbol as it makes your cycle take off quicker in your mind. Tbol is like a slow starting evening with lots of fun in the middle of the evening and at the end.
“I was on high dosed orals last time and only felt shitty for a week so I guess I can take that. I rather not inject for another 6-8 weeks.”
I understand you. Those extra injections are definitely the worst part of the Test Taper protocol. But remember those are done with insulin 5/8" pins, and since the volume injected is so small, it’s not as bothersome for thight injections. Still not that fun, I’ll agree with that.
But the payoff is amazing. No crash, at all! And I kept most of my gains - which I never quite did before.
My guess also is that your previous oral cycles were shorter than this IM one, so of course the coming off periods were not as much an issue as it is now IMO.
Hey I’m not preaching. Just stating what I’d do nowasdays. You give us nice details BTW. Keep us posted with your off period results if you feel like it. I know I’ll be reading.
So I’m almost done. Finished the six week orals yesterday and feel very good today. Hate those pills. IM all the way. Might go with test/deca next cycle. Goodbye lethargia, good day high energy!
Anyways. I will continue for another week because I still have some left in the vial. I won’t do another cycle for 5 months so I might as well use the last few drops of the vial.
It was fun and I learnt that good diet, sleep and training are more important than any magic juice.
Bench only went up 5 kgs. I had serious problems with my left wrist and had to do corrective exercises like front arm curls and reverse fron arm curls. I also wrapped them.
Muscle mass went up a lot and much more than strength. I’m guessing I need better technique or more explosiveness. I will work on my natural progression for 5 months before I go on a non-oral test-e and deca cycle for the joints.
Should have added deca for this one but we all learn.
I don’t want any more tablets. Screw them. Next cycle is only intramuscular.
Did the last pin of the cycle today and it was in the left thigh. No problems and on the first attempt. Yuhuu!
Allright. The ventrogluteal sight I think I can look at just by watching the muscle. Is it like a bubble sticking out of the hip like a small ball? Since I was in such an anabolic state eveything has grown everywhere so it’s easier to see muscles.
I have to say I’m reluctant to get off but I have to. I wasn’t reluctant when I was on the tbol. Must say that tabs suck major ass and that the only way to go for me is to pin.
I might even give away my tbols. I hate them so much at this stage. Sure they give you better anabolic ratio but it’s just not as feel good as test alone. It actually makes my mood very bad. Test alone is the KING! Adding tbol and you are feeling like shit after 3 weeks. I thought that test would cancel out the feeling bad of the tbol but no.
Last Sunday was my last shot of test. One week later I feel fine. Very fine in fact.
On another note. I had never any problem with acne, but it might have made my hairloss a bit more aggrevated. I don’t really care as I’m shaving bald so the less the better
I will start PCT on the coming Sunday with a 40, 40, 20, 20, 10, 10 protocol. 6 weeks of nolva is ok I guess. Next time I might do a stasis taper like Arnold and those used to do but I want to try this chemical cut-off PCT with my first heavy cycle.
No ball shrinkage or at least not exaggerated. That’s good.
Ah yes. Bench went up 2.5 kgs since last week. My left wrist healed a bit. Used a lot of front arm curls, fish oil and glucosamine for that.
Will be good to see how much I shrink after this but I won’t guess it’s substantial as I kept it moderate.
Weighing in at 117 kgs. Yiekes! But I don’t feel fat Huge traps, shoulders, pecs. But yes there IS fat > 15 percent, just that it looks better proportioned I guess.
Will have to get down to a lean 100 kgs.
I still have a lot of growing potential in my chest, upper, middle and lower back, lats, shoulders, triceps and pecs. Legs are unproportionally huge and will have to be on the back burner for a while. Just maintenance training for them I guess.
Deep into PCT by now. Nolva for the 3rd day. I’m so emotional I want to puke If someone shows me a pciture of Bambi I will cry, I swear. Just joking No it’s not that bad. I just feel kind of emptied a bit.
I might go with the stasis approach for PCT next time. Could be better. Who knows?
Doing TRIBEX 1 pill in the morning and one in the evening and nolva 20 morning and 20 in the evening.
My lifts are not suffering yet. Crossing fingers. I’m still forcing myself to eat a lot of protein to not have a PCT-induced muscle loss due to diet. I will keep this muscle no matter what.
I feel more energetic and mentally concentrated than when on. When I was on iI was too satisfied and now I see things more clearly. Being on is not giving you better self-esteem, just a very good mental attitude for building, keeping and increasing muscle.
Like for example I became tired/sleepy easily when on. I could sleep anywhere, anytime. Now my brain can force my body to waste itself by not sleeping. It only shows how the mental change of test, forces you to put on the muscle. Just an observation. Although not very secientific as I cannot back it up with numbers.
I might post some after pictures although I have no good before pictures. Maybe… Have to do some posing and PhotoShopping first.
I go very, very hard without aas so imagine with aas. Not good for my body. I have to fight the urge to go bazonkas on the weights as I would easile injure myself.