I'm A Suspect In A Murder Case...

Scrotus · February 26, 2010, 2:02am

[quote]Charles3264 wrote:
Dont consider yourself as a suspect… If you ve done nothing why not giving answers at the police. If you were a suspect, they would arrest you already and give you your rights. There is no reason for worry about it. They questionned you as a witness(even if you werent on scene)…not as a suspect…because of the past and the relation between you and the guy. Its a normal way of investegation .

Cooperation is always the best way to get out of a situation like that…And yes i m a cop and we are not all screwers…and for the one who tells that we are eating donuts…find another stupid sentence…like we ve never heard this one…[/quote]

you watch too many cop shows, they wont always tell you you are a suspect. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush, so if they can get you to come in and say something incriminating, watch the youtube video posted, they will have something to arrest you for. do call them and tell them you dont have any information, then tell them you cant come in and talk to them.

jolopez · February 26, 2010, 3:10am

“You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted and used against you in a court of law.”

I can’t believe I have something in common with PMPM. I am also an attorney.

I mainly practice criminal law. First, $600 is way to cheap for an attorney. Please ask the attorney how many murder cases they have handled and how much experience they have handling cases at this level (pre-indictment/investigation). Have the attorney call the detectives first and just shoot the shit. “Hey, I got hired by this guy. What’s the deal?” Just because he shows up with you does not make him effective. You need to know before hand why they are talking to you.

I am going to assume since you started the post with the backstory about your history with the guy, you also told the police the same thing. So when they were fishing around, you gave them a nibble. They also had a lead to come talk to you. How did they know that you had a past history with the guy? Do you already know where you were around the time of the murder? Stop the guessing: “I think I might have been posting on this site.” You better get that nailed down now.

For those of you who think that attorneys are out to rip you off and just assholes, guess who you are going to call when you get locked up or accused? What about when that one night stand tries to screw you for child support for 18 years and you are trying to keep your wife from finding out. I am the last line between you and prison. I am the last line between you and $500,000 of child support for the next 18 years.

For those of you who think the law is just here to help, get real. There are many great cops and a few bad ones. Just the law of averages in dealing with humans. Does OP really want to take the risk that he is dealing with the good one? There are thousands of instances of police misconduct leading to false arrests and false convictions. Why tempt fate?

trevor16 · February 26, 2010, 4:11am

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]trevor16 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]trevor16 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]trevor16 wrote:
I am a police constable and in my experience I would suggest that if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to be concerned about. You don’t need to waste your money on a lawyer when you have had no involvement in this incident. Murder investigations are often very complex and there will be dozens of people spoken to who have no involvement in the incident. This is because as a police officer you never know who will be able to provide some insight into the situation without speaking to everyone who knows this guy.

Just because they are asking you questions doesn’t mean you are a suspect. I don’t know where you are from, but in Canada, prior to an interview with a suspect the police must provide the individual with an opportunity to speak with a lawyer and explain to them that they have no responsibility to say anything. I don’t know how it works in the USA, but I would assume it is similar as in Canada.

It looks to me as if you are just being spoken to in an attempt to determine if you can provide any information that could assist with the investigation. I would suggest to you that you tell the truth and not worry about the issue. [/quote]

Excuse me, but you’re a fucking idiot.

You know, because innocent people are never charged. Innocent people never go to jail. Innocent people have never been freed from death row. Are you serious? Please stop posting. Go eat a donut and write a ticket.
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Im sorry you have a poor perception of police tactics. Yes occasionally innocent (or often ``not guilty`` which is a whole different story) people have been charged, however assuming that because a tiny amount of investigations have gone wrong, that the police are out to get everyone is pretty ignorant. I am just providing my opinion with my experience as a cop. He doesnt have to listen to me, but not everyone is as negative as you and maybe he will feel differently than you. For me, if I were in a similar situation, I would not pay $600 to speak with a lawyer about my options. If he is concerned about the situation he can simply tell the police that he does not wish to speak with them and unless he is more involved than he previously mentioned he will have no further involvement.

Relax…the police are not out to screw over everyone they can. Law abiding people have nothing to worry about from the police. You sound like you are part of the tiny part of society who through your own bad decisions has found yourself on the wrong side of the law. If you don`t like my advice you can ignore it…just trying to help.[/quote]

Except that your advice is absolutely terrible. As I pointed out to the other meter maid in the thread, the police are not the final arbiter of who gets prosecuted. Next, I made no mention of “not guilty”; I specifically referenced INNOCENT people in jail. Finally, from the people that actually do this for a living - criminal defense attorneys - there isn’t a one alive that would recommend that this innocent kid go to a murder interview unrepresented. I suggest you watch the youtube videos referenced herein and learn how even innocent admissions can be twisted and you end up catching a charge.
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You sound paranoid…possibly you should seek psychiatric assistance for your delusional thoughts. After several other posters before you provided intelligent (unlike your own) replies relating to USA vs Canadian police methods, possibly my experience as a Canadian police officer is not applicable (depending on where the OP lives). If you would actually read my posts instead of automatically disliking me because of my uniform, you may see that I am not being rude, or attempting to deceive the OP or anyone else. I am merely attempting to provide MY perspective considering my experience (which I think I can safely assume is greater than yours). So…just in case you missed what I said earlier… if the OP is not in Canada he may want to look into the matter further (I am sure he could find a source of information on the internet from one of many reliable law sites) before he spends a considerable amount of money on a lawyer for nothing. Like I said earlier, if he is that concerned he can decline to speak with the police (I am not familiar with your system but I believe that is what the 5th Amendment is).[/quote]

You’re right, I don’t like your uniform. However, your advice is terrible in Canada or the US. Read this slowly: It is unadvisable, for anyone ANYWHERE (where legal representation is your right), to voluntarily submit to questioning from any law enforcement body in relation to a crime. The kid was not a witness to the murder. He was not an innocent bystander. He knew the victim and had a violent history with the victim. ANY advice other than to seek counsel, is idiotic. It’s going to cost him $600. Big deal.
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Until I clicked on your profile I assumed I was speaking with a teenager and could therefore understand your ignorant comments and bias, however I see that you are in your mid 40s. It is sad that at your age you are so immature. I can tell you are not a cop obviosuly. You are also not a lawyer. You are older than me and obviously have more life experience than me…Ill give you that, but you cant say that I dont know what I am talking about because this is my job. I dont know what you do but I for example would not tell a business owner or a dentist how to do their job.

I have never tried to screw someone over and I am being completely honest when I say that I have never seen any of my partners abuse an innocent person. But you can believe whatever you want.

I wouldnt try to make you like police because from experience I know that some people dont like us. This is largely because at some point in time the police arrested these people and they are bitter and will blame anyone but themselves. Criminals are the most self-centered people on earth. My guess for you would be spousal assault or impaired driving…you seem like the type.

XanderBuilt · February 26, 2010, 4:28am

[quote]jolopez wrote:
“You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted and used against you in a court of law.”

I can’t believe I have something in common with PMPM. I am also an attorney.

I mainly practice criminal law. First, $600 is way to cheap for an attorney. Please ask the attorney how many murder cases they have handled and how much experience they have handling cases at this level (pre-indictment/investigation). Have the attorney call the detectives first and just shoot the shit. “Hey, I got hired by this guy. What’s the deal?” Just because he shows up with you does not make him effective. You need to know before hand why they are talking to you.

I am going to assume since you started the post with the backstory about your history with the guy, you also told the police the same thing. So when they were fishing around, you gave them a nibble. They also had a lead to come talk to you. How did they know that you had a past history with the guy? Do you already know where you were around the time of the murder? Stop the guessing: “I think I might have been posting on this site.” You better get that nailed down now.

For those of you who think that attorneys are out to rip you off and just assholes, guess who you are going to call when you get locked up or accused? What about when that one night stand tries to screw you for child support for 18 years and you are trying to keep your wife from finding out. I am the last line between you and prison. I am the last line between you and $500,000 of child support for the next 18 years.

For those of you who think the law is just here to help, get real. There are many great cops and a few bad ones. Just the law of averages in dealing with humans. Does OP really want to take the risk that he is dealing with the good one? There are thousands of instances of police misconduct leading to false arrests and false convictions. Why tempt fate?[/quote]

I hope Rohnyn is reading this and hope he manages to get this sorted out, felt it was rather incredulous the first time I read it but I’m inclined to believe he needs to get himself out of this quick sand sinking shit fast.

Bill_Roberts · February 26, 2010, 5:25am

[quote]trevor16 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Excuse me, but you’re a fucking idiot.

You know, because innocent people are never charged. Innocent people never go to jail. Innocent people have never been freed from death row. Are you serious? Please stop posting. Go eat a donut and write a ticket.
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Until I clicked on your profile I assumed I was speaking with a teenager and could therefore understand your ignorant comments and bias, however I see that you are in your mid 40s. It is sad that at your age you are so immature. I can tell you are not a cop obviosuly. You are also not a lawyer. You are older than me and obviously have more life experience than me…Ill give you that, but you cant say that I dont know what I am talking about because this is my job.

[ad hominem attacks of wife beating, etc deleted]
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Did it occur to you that as a Canadian you don’t know what you’re talking about when the subject is the American legal system and what sometimes occurs with American police?

Oh that’s right, people from other countries invariably seem to think they know more about America than Americans do.

Standard_Donkey · February 26, 2010, 5:33am

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:

[quote]trevor16 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Excuse me, but you’re a fucking idiot.

You know, because innocent people are never charged. Innocent people never go to jail. Innocent people have never been freed from death row. Are you serious? Please stop posting. Go eat a donut and write a ticket.
[/quote]
Until I clicked on your profile I assumed I was speaking with a teenager and could therefore understand your ignorant comments and bias, however I see that you are in your mid 40s. It is sad that at your age you are so immature. I can tell you are not a cop obviosuly. You are also not a lawyer. You are older than me and obviously have more life experience than me…Ill give you that, but you cant say that I dont know what I am talking about because this is my job.

[ad hominem attacks of wife beating, etc deleted]
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Did it occur to you that as a Canadian you don’t know what you’re talking about when the subject is the American legal system and what sometimes occurs with American police?

Oh that’s right, people from other countries invariably seem to think they know more about America than Americans do.[/quote]

XanderBuilt · February 26, 2010, 5:50am

[quote]trevor16 wrote:
I don’t know how it works in the USA, but I would assume it is similar as in Canada.
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I know I’m not from either nation but I can’t say this statement holds up very well. Living halfway around the world my perception is Canada is a safe place and while there maybe similarities between the legal systems of both countries the way the laws are upheld and enforced with each country are two very different things.

trevor16 · February 26, 2010, 5:57am

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:

[quote]trevor16 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Excuse me, but you’re a fucking idiot.

You know, because innocent people are never charged. Innocent people never go to jail. Innocent people have never been freed from death row. Are you serious? Please stop posting. Go eat a donut and write a ticket.
[/quote]
Until I clicked on your profile I assumed I was speaking with a teenager and could therefore understand your ignorant comments and bias, however I see that you are in your mid 40s. It is sad that at your age you are so immature. I can tell you are not a cop obviosuly. You are also not a lawyer. You are older than me and obviously have more life experience than me…Ill give you that, but you cant say that I dont know what I am talking about because this is my job.

[ad hominem attacks of wife beating, etc deleted]
[/quote]

Did it occur to you that as a Canadian you don’t know what you’re talking about when the subject is the American legal system and what sometimes occurs with American police?

Oh that’s right, people from other countries invariably seem to think they know more about America than Americans do.[/quote]

No you are absolutely right and thanks to yourself and another poster several pages ago who provided me with an intelligent response making this same point I retracted my statement that because it is this way in Canada it is likely the same in the USA. I do not think that I know more about the USA than people who live there, as I would expect to know more about Canada than people from other countries. I have never dealt with police in the USA so I have no idea how incidents like this are dealt with.

I only have an issue with the Bodyguard who comes on here with no intelligent point, refusing to listen to other peoples opinions, and starts calling me and the other cop on here fucking idiot because of our comments (which are based on our experiences as police officers and were made in good faith).

The OP does not have his place of residence listed so I can not say if my statement is applicable. Possibly he is a Canadian.

I mean no disrespect to you because you are one of the people whose posts I always stop to read as you provide useful advice for many lifters. Like I mentioned before, an intelligent argument is beneficial and can help people learn. Signing on and acting like the toughest guy on the internet serves no purpose and only shows a lack of intelligence, providing no assistance to the OP.

Rohnyn · February 26, 2010, 6:20am

I talked with the lawyer and he informed me not to speak on the subject with anyone or publically.
So, /thread.

Deorum · February 26, 2010, 6:23am

[quote]trevor16 wrote:
I am a police constable and in my experience I would suggest that if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to be concerned about.[/quote]

I’ll second the point already made. You advice was idiotic. Please tell me how saying anymore to the police than absolutely necessary would help, or would have helped, our OP’s situation. I think we both know that it could not. It could only hurt him and possibly have him wrongly convicted.

Bunyip · February 26, 2010, 6:26am

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
I talked with the lawyer and he informed me not to speak on the subject with anyone or publically.
So, /thread.[/quote]

As long as you remember to tell us all how it turns out.

Bill_Roberts · February 26, 2010, 6:50am

[quote]trevor16 wrote:

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:

[quote]trevor16 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Excuse me, but you’re a fucking idiot.

You know, because innocent people are never charged. Innocent people never go to jail. Innocent people have never been freed from death row. Are you serious? Please stop posting. Go eat a donut and write a ticket.
[/quote]
Until I clicked on your profile I assumed I was speaking with a teenager and could therefore understand your ignorant comments and bias, however I see that you are in your mid 40s. It is sad that at your age you are so immature. I can tell you are not a cop obviosuly. You are also not a lawyer. You are older than me and obviously have more life experience than me…Ill give you that, but you cant say that I dont know what I am talking about because this is my job.

[ad hominem attacks of wife beating, etc deleted]
[/quote]

Did it occur to you that as a Canadian you don’t know what you’re talking about when the subject is the American legal system and what sometimes occurs with American police?

Oh that’s right, people from other countries invariably seem to think they know more about America than Americans do.[/quote]

No you are absolutely right and thanks to yourself and another poster several pages ago who provided me with an intelligent response making this same point I retracted my statement that because it is this way in Canada it is likely the same in the USA. I do not think that I know more about the USA than people who live there, as I would expect to know more about Canada than people from other countries. I have never dealt with police in the USA so I have no idea how incidents like this are dealt with.

I only have an issue with the Bodyguard who comes on here with no intelligent point, refusing to listen to other peoples opinions, and starts calling me and the other cop on here fucking idiot because of our comments (which are based on our experiences as police officers and were made in good faith).

The OP does not have his place of residence listed so I can not say if my statement is applicable. Possibly he is a Canadian.

I mean no disrespect to you because you are one of the people whose posts I always stop to read as you provide useful advice for many lifters. Like I mentioned before, an intelligent argument is beneficial and can help people learn. Signing on and acting like the toughest guy on the internet serves no purpose and only shows a lack of intelligence, providing no assistance to the OP.[/quote]

I’m glad to know that in Canada the situation is as you’ve described.

Here in America there are undoubtedly very many fine police officers. And many prosecutors are ethical people.

However we also have prosecutors who care more for adding convictions to their record than for anything else, and who truly have no reservations at all about prosecuting a man that they doubt committed the crime, so long as they think they can win the case.

Even if a given set of policemen are all honest, their JOB is to snare up anyone who can be snared. They win points, so to speak, with their superiors by extracting as much information that might be useful in prosecutions as possible from whomever possible against whomever possible.

And the result is, it’s entirely possible for a person to not have committed a crime, but to have been in the wrong place at the wrong time and for it to plausibly appear that he might have, upon being skillfully questioned by someone who sees it as his job to pin the crime on someone.

Add in a story being inconsistent – which can happen completely unintentionally and innocently – and furthermore add in a backstory such as the OP has, and the last thing needed is to be tripped up by having volunteered information without legal counsel.

It strikes me as good sportsmanship, so to speak, that Canadian police are straightforward and let a person know plainly whenever it’s the case that they are viewed as potentially having committed the crime. Here, that is not required.

On my comment on people from other countries: quite literally it does seem to be a common trait for people all over the world to feel confident that they know all about America and to debate Americans on it, even though they would find it absurd for people from countries other than theirs to do the same with them. From your above post clearly that’s not the case with you, though; it was a natural initial assumption that things might be the same here as in Canada in this regard.

Gettnitdone · February 26, 2010, 7:16am

Am I the only one who thinks this whole thing is b.s? OP its simple, were you at that house party the night the dude was killed? You indicate you weren’t so what are you worried about. And how the fuck did the police know you had a history with this guy specifically. Surely you’re somewhere down a queue of other ’
peoples of interests.’ Theres no way they are going to convict you of anything.

Rohnyn · February 26, 2010, 10:53am

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks this whole thing is b.s? OP its simple, were you at that house party the night the dude was killed? You indicate you weren’t so what are you worried about. And how the fuck did the police know you had a history with this guy specifically. Surely you’re somewhere down a queue of other ’
peoples of interests.’ Theres no way they are going to convict you of anything. [/quote]
This will be my last post in this thread.

They knew I had a history, because I think the first thing they must have done was pull the guys file and see what he had been involved. I and perhaps some others, I prolly came up as someone who assaulted him. I don’t know what else and who else was on there, so there may be a queue.

And no, I wasn’t at the part. Last I heard the victim, had gone to prison for 8 months as well, so our lives have diverged greatly. I’ve been in school, and he may have had countless violent encounters with others.

I’m not worried about it, but I’m also going to practice due dilligence, so the full legal investigation can take place properly with whatever help they need from me.

legendaryblaze · February 26, 2010, 11:19am

[quote]dianab wrote:

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:

[quote]Charles3264 wrote:
Dont consider yourself as a suspect… If you ve done nothing why not giving answers at the police. If you were a suspect, they would arrest you already and give you your rights. There is no reason for worry about it. They questionned you as a witness(even if you werent on scene)…not as a suspect…because of the past and the relation between you and the guy. Its a normal way of investegation . Cooperation is always the best way to get out of a situation like that…And yes i m a cop and we are not all screwers…and for the one who tells that we are eating donuts…find another stupid sentence…like we ve never heard this one…[/quote]

You arrest everyone immediately upon having suspicion that they might have been the one who committed a crime and you are still a cop?

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No Bill, he mis-spoke. In Quebec they won’t arrest you for just being a suspect. However, they will shoot you.[/quote]

ROFL!

Professor_X · February 26, 2010, 11:25am

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks this whole thing is b.s? OP its simple, were you at that house party the night the dude was killed? You indicate you weren’t so what are you worried about. And how the fuck did the police know you had a history with this guy specifically. Surely you’re somewhere down a queue of other ’
peoples of interests.’ Theres no way they are going to convict you of anything. [/quote]

Some of you are really showing how much you don’t know with some of these posts.

On top of that, the world you all live in where only guilty people get charged with crimes 100% of the time is not reality.

trevor16 · February 26, 2010, 12:38pm