I'm A Suspect In A Murder Case...

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[quote]trevor16 wrote:

I only have an issue with the Bodyguard who comes on here with no intelligent point, refusing to listen to other peoples opinions, and starts calling me and the other cop on here fucking idiot because of our comments (which are based on our experiences as police officers and were made in good faith).
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My reply was perfect intelligent. Your advice in any country where the right to representation was wholly irresponsible and incorrect. In ANY country were the rule of law is the right to legal representation, THE CORRECT ANSWER IS ALWAYS TO BE REPRESENTED BY A LAWYER before agreeing to be interviewed about any crime.

Assuming the right to representation is the rule of law in Canada, the advice applies there as well. Furthermore, your advice IS IDIOTIC because it’s typical of a cop to come here and tell someone something like you did. I don’t know many cops that would advise a family member to be subject to an interview without a lawyer in a murder case, so why would you come here and suggest the OP do so?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks this whole thing is b.s? OP its simple, were you at that house party the night the dude was killed? You indicate you weren’t so what are you worried about. And how the fuck did the police know you had a history with this guy specifically. Surely you’re somewhere down a queue of other ’
peoples of interests.’ Theres no way they are going to convict you of anything. [/quote]

Some of you are really showing how much you don’t know with some of these posts.

On top of that, the world you all live in where only guilty people get charged with crimes 100% of the time is not reality.[/quote]

X, you’re being paranoid. If you didn’t do anything, you have nothing to worry about! My guess is that you’re a drug dealer and steroid smuggler - this explains your clear bias against the well intentioned perfectly oiled justice system. I know why you choose to live in TX, it’s close to the border for your illicit smuggling operation! Ha!

LOL…some people man.

Having lived in and/or near a major city for my entire life, watching police abuse citizens, lie, steal and cheat, the lawman from Fargo cannot possibly understand the well earned opinion of law enforcement here. Half of them are criminals with badges.

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^BG, it would’ve made my day if you just say “That’s because I’m John Lithgow” … i would laughed my ass off, literally.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]trevor16 wrote:

I only have an issue with the Bodyguard who comes on here with no intelligent point, refusing to listen to other peoples opinions, and starts calling me and the other cop on here fucking idiot because of our comments (which are based on our experiences as police officers and were made in good faith).
.[/quote]

My reply was perfect intelligent. Your advice in any country where the right to representation was wholly irresponsible and incorrect. In ANY country were the rule of law is the right to legal representation, THE CORRECT ANSWER IS ALWAYS TO BE REPRESENTED BY A LAWYER before agreeing to be interviewed about any crime.

Assuming the right to representation is the rule of law in Canada, the advice applies there as well. Furthermore, your advice IS IDIOTIC because it’s typical of a cop to come here and tell someone something like you did. I don’t know many cops that would advise a family member to be subject to an interview without a lawyer in a murder case, so why would you come here and suggest the OP do so?[/quote]

Listen, I dont want to get into a pissing match because I dont know you are for all I know you may be a decent guy if I were to meet you in person. I retracted my original statement that because Canada is one way the USA is likely similar. However I would stick with my statement if the OP is from Canada. Like I said if I were in a similar situation (in Canada) I would have no fear talking to the police and telling the truth if I had done nothing wrong. But again that is just my opinion. As I have learned possibly in the USA this would not be the smart thing to do.

Just as I should not be making claims about how things work in the USA, being a Canadian I know how things work here and a lot of your assumptions about police (in Canada) are incorrect. I suppose that just as I did, you are assuming that because things are one way in one country then they will be the same in another.

Really I only go to this site to learn about training, but I thought that possibly through my experience I could help. I only offered my advice based on my experiences and was not looking to screw over some innocent person who I will likely never meet.

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[quote]trevor16 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]trevor16 wrote:

I only have an issue with the Bodyguard who comes on here with no intelligent point, refusing to listen to other peoples opinions, and starts calling me and the other cop on here fucking idiot because of our comments (which are based on our experiences as police officers and were made in good faith).
.[/quote]

My reply was perfect intelligent. Your advice in any country where the right to representation was wholly irresponsible and incorrect. In ANY country were the rule of law is the right to legal representation, THE CORRECT ANSWER IS ALWAYS TO BE REPRESENTED BY A LAWYER before agreeing to be interviewed about any crime.

Assuming the right to representation is the rule of law in Canada, the advice applies there as well. Furthermore, your advice IS IDIOTIC because it’s typical of a cop to come here and tell someone something like you did. I don’t know many cops that would advise a family member to be subject to an interview without a lawyer in a murder case, so why would you come here and suggest the OP do so?[/quote]

Listen, I dont want to get into a pissing match because I dont know you are for all I know you may be a decent guy if I were to meet you in person. I retracted my original statement that because Canada is one way the USA is likely similar. However I would stick with my statement if the OP is from Canada. Like I said if I were in a similar situation (in Canada) I would have no fear talking to the police and telling the truth if I had done nothing wrong. But again that is just my opinion. As I have learned possibly in the USA this would not be the smart thing to do.

Just as I should not be making claims about how things work in the USA, being a Canadian I know how things work here and a lot of your assumptions about police (in Canada) are incorrect. I suppose that just as I did, you are assuming that because things are one way in one country then they will be the same in another.

Really I only go to this site to learn about training, but I thought that possibly through my experience I could help. I only offered my advice based on my experiences and was not looking to screw over some innocent person who I will likely never meet.

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fair enough. cease fire. see? I’m not unreasonable.

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[quote]polo77j wrote:
^BG, it would’ve made my day if you just say “That’s because I’m John Lithgow” … i would laughed my ass off, literally.[/quote]

lol i’m playing online poker…my attention is divided or i’m just not that gifted. snow day here :slight_smile:

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Skip 5 pages and some folks are arguing some shit US vs Canada?

Successful troll is successful. (For some of you who might not know, this is a parody of polo’s thread about defending a murder suspect).

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]trevor16 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]trevor16 wrote:

I only have an issue with the Bodyguard who comes on here with no intelligent point, refusing to listen to other peoples opinions, and starts calling me and the other cop on here fucking idiot because of our comments (which are based on our experiences as police officers and were made in good faith).
.[/quote]

My reply was perfect intelligent. Your advice in any country where the right to representation was wholly irresponsible and incorrect. In ANY country were the rule of law is the right to legal representation, THE CORRECT ANSWER IS ALWAYS TO BE REPRESENTED BY A LAWYER before agreeing to be interviewed about any crime.

Assuming the right to representation is the rule of law in Canada, the advice applies there as well. Furthermore, your advice IS IDIOTIC because it’s typical of a cop to come here and tell someone something like you did. I don’t know many cops that would advise a family member to be subject to an interview without a lawyer in a murder case, so why would you come here and suggest the OP do so?[/quote]

Listen, I dont want to get into a pissing match because I dont know you are for all I know you may be a decent guy if I were to meet you in person. I retracted my original statement that because Canada is one way the USA is likely similar. However I would stick with my statement if the OP is from Canada. Like I said if I were in a similar situation (in Canada) I would have no fear talking to the police and telling the truth if I had done nothing wrong. But again that is just my opinion. As I have learned possibly in the USA this would not be the smart thing to do.

Just as I should not be making claims about how things work in the USA, being a Canadian I know how things work here and a lot of your assumptions about police (in Canada) are incorrect. I suppose that just as I did, you are assuming that because things are one way in one country then they will be the same in another.

Really I only go to this site to learn about training, but I thought that possibly through my experience I could help. I only offered my advice based on my experiences and was not looking to screw over some innocent person who I will likely never meet.

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fair enough. cease fire. see? I’m not unreasonable.

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Ya…I didnt mean to come off as a dick. Not every cop is an asshole;) I was just trying to use my experiences in this area to possibly help this guy.

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[quote]Dre the Hatchet wrote:
Skip 5 pages and some folks are arguing some shit US vs Canada?

Successful troll is successful. (For some of you who might not know, this is a parody of polo’s thread about defending a murder suspect).[/quote]

What you didn’t probably know though, was that Polos thread was a parody of the dream I had about a ghost haunting me who had been murdered.

V

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]Dre the Hatchet wrote:
Skip 5 pages and some folks are arguing some shit US vs Canada?

Successful troll is successful. (For some of you who might not know, this is a parody of polo’s thread about defending a murder suspect).[/quote]

What you didn’t probably know though, was that Polos thread was a parody of the dream I had about a ghost haunting me who had been murdered.

V[/quote]

Erronious … I call shenanigans!!!

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Half of them (cops) are criminals with badges.[/quote]

Care to elaborate?

I think that’s an unfair assessment. Surely, some of them abuse their authoritative position, but I wouldn’t start judging these people until you have first hand knowledge of what they go through in some of these Philadelphia neighborhoods.

I know you’ve lived in or around Philly you’re whole life, I have as well. Two of my best friends are police officers so I have a closer perspective than most. 5 cops in the area were killed on duty within 2 years (I’m sure you are aware). Some parts of this city are like a fucking jungle, every gorrilla for itself (American Gangster reference, no racial intent). You’re a smart guy, I think you can see why a lot of these police officers might actively protect themselves, as opposed to reactively, where they have the very real possibility of being killed.

If you’re not talking about perceived “police brutality” than ignore my post. Although I’m not aware of any other crimes (extortion, etc.) within the department, either.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Half of them (cops) are criminals with badges.[/quote]

Care to elaborate?

I think that’s an unfair assessment. Surely, some of them abuse their authoritative position, but I wouldn’t start judging these people until you have first hand knowledge of what they go through in some of these Philadelphia neighborhoods.

I know you’ve lived in or around Philly you’re whole life, I have as well. Two of my best friends are police officers so I have a closer perspective than most. 5 cops in the area were killed on duty within 2 years (I’m sure you are aware). Some parts of this city are like a fucking jungle, every gorrilla for itself (American Gangster reference, no racial intent). You’re a smart guy, I think you can see why a lot of these police officers might actively protect themselves, as opposed to reactively, where they have the very real possibility of being killed.

If you’re not talking about perceived “police brutality” than ignore my post. Although I’m not aware of any other crimes (extortion, etc.) within the department, either. [/quote]

Where did you just come from? Did the snowstorm wake you up or something?

V

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Half of them (cops) are criminals with badges.[/quote]

Care to elaborate?

I think that’s an unfair assessment. Surely, some of them abuse their authoritative position, but I wouldn’t start judging these people until you have first hand knowledge of what they go through in some of these Philadelphia neighborhoods.

I know you’ve lived in or around Philly you’re whole life, I have as well. Two of my best friends are police officers so I have a closer perspective than most. 5 cops in the area were killed on duty within 2 years (I’m sure you are aware). Some parts of this city are like a fucking jungle, every gorrilla for itself (American Gangster reference, no racial intent). You’re a smart guy, I think you can see why a lot of these police officers might actively protect themselves, as opposed to reactively, where they have the very real possibility of being killed.

If you’re not talking about perceived “police brutality” than ignore my post. Although I’m not aware of any other crimes (extortion, etc.) within the department, either. [/quote]

I’ll elaborate; I’m in the City every day, including Camden. I watch them daily violate people’s civil rights. The problem is deeply rooted in the department - especially when they have the arrogance to still hand out a beat down when they are on camera no less. The head of their Union is the most arrogant head in the sand criminal of all. The Phila police department has long roots in corruption. I’m just painting with a big brush. I won’t print what I really know. But seriously, no disrespect to you, but you got your head in the sand. As evidence of my view, I offer the following: I work with a nice lady whose husband is a 20 something year veteran…and neither of them disagree with my sentiment. And the ones that aren’t criminals? Usually outright fucking rude. Don’t tell me where they have to work either. I have to navigate the same territory. If you don’t like the job, get out. In the past two years alone, we have a group of officers giving a beating to some murder suspects, WHILE THEY ARE ON TAPE. In yet another well publicized and ongoing case, you have a squad robbing bodegas, WHILE THE CAMERAS ARE ON. If that doesn’t illustrate the arrogance and deep rooted criminality of the department for you, I don’t know what will.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks this whole thing is b.s? OP its simple, were you at that house party the night the dude was killed? You indicate you weren’t so what are you worried about. And how the fuck did the police know you had a history with this guy specifically. Surely you’re somewhere down a queue of other ’
peoples of interests.’ Theres no way they are going to convict you of anything. [/quote]

Some of you are really showing how much you don’t know with some of these posts.

On top of that, the world you all live in where only guilty people get charged with crimes 100% of the time is not reality.[/quote]

STFU man get off my back. Im not fucking arguing about some ideological theory that innocent people aren’t wrongly convicted. Im JUST saying that the story is being exaggerated by the OP who may be a troll. Surely the justice system doesn’t go BAM- “you (OP) killed him, you’re getting prosecuted.” Thats B.S and you know it. This isn’t the crime of the century, just because they have suspects doesn’t mean they have to charge anyone. This case may get thrown out or some shit.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks this whole thing is b.s? OP its simple, were you at that house party the night the dude was killed? You indicate you weren’t so what are you worried about. And how the fuck did the police know you had a history with this guy specifically. Surely you’re somewhere down a queue of other ’
peoples of interests.’ Theres no way they are going to convict you of anything. [/quote]

Some of you are really showing how much you don’t know with some of these posts.

On top of that, the world you all live in where only guilty people get charged with crimes 100% of the time is not reality.[/quote]

STFU man get off my back. Im not fucking arguing about some ideological theory that innocent people aren’t wrongly convicted. Im JUST saying that the story is being exaggerated by the OP who may be a troll. Surely the justice system doesn’t go BAM- “you (OP) killed him, you’re getting prosecuted.” Thats B.S and you know it. This isn’t the crime of the century, just because they have suspects doesn’t mean they have to charge anyone. This case may get thrown out or some shit.
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Let me pose a hypothetical to you: What if a witness, unknown to the OP, was interviewed prior and said, “I saw OP leaving that party” or some permutation thereof. He could be trying to fuck the guy, or it could be an innocent mistaken identity. Don’t scoff, b/c that happens all the time. I had a friend accused of rape on such an ID. That is NOT far fetched - it happens ALL the time. Now, someone puts you there, and you have a history of violence with the victim. The point is you don’t know how things are unfolding. You have no way to know what INNOCENT admission could be used against you. The cop doesn’t have to have a “I want to screw this guy bias”…all he has to have is tunnel vision in your direction…and where there is considerable pressure to solve crimes, this occurs quite frequently. When you combine these dynamics with the fact that DAs are not truth seekers - it’s not their job; their job is to decide if there is a case, if there is enough evidence to charge - well then you do not want to navigate these waters without legal rep. Seriously guys, that OP or anyone in his position needs an attorney is not even worthy of serious debate.

You guys should really watch those videos to see how even innocent admissions could be used against you…here or in Canada. There does NOT have to be evil intent by the police.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Let me pose a hypothetical to you: What if a witness, unknown to the OP, was interviewed prior and said, “I saw OP leaving that party” or some permutation thereof. He could be trying to fuck the guy, or it could be an innocent mistaken identity. Don’t scoff, b/c that happens all the time. I had a friend accused of rape on such an ID. That is NOT far fetched - it happens ALL the time. Now, someone puts you there, and you have a history of violence with the victim. The point is you don’t know how things are unfolding. You have no way to know what INNOCENT admission could be used against you. The cop doesn’t have to have a “I want to screw this guy bias”…all he has to have is tunnel vision in your direction…and where there is considerable pressure to solve crimes, this occurs quite frequently. When you combine these dynamics with the fact that DAs are not truth seekers - it’s not their job; their job is to decide if there is a case, if there is enough evidence to charge - well then you do not want to navigate these waters without legal rep. Seriously guys, that OP or anyone in his position needs an attorney is not even worthy of serious debate.

You guys should really watch those videos to see how even innocent admissions could be used against you…here or in Canada. There does NOT have to be evil intent by the police.[/quote]

I dont really care if he gets an attorney I just dont just the OPs ‘story.’ Maybe its my naivete but you and some others (and I dont question your knowledge on these matters) kinda paint a depressing picture of justice and law; insinuating that some cops are in fact criminal, justice is not truth on occasion and that its remarkable easy to frame or place suspicion on potential suspects.

I was watching the Usual Suspects yesterday (a remarkable movie in my opinion) which is basically the only reason im posting.

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Lawyer up, and stop talking about it on the fucking internet.[/quote]

LOL. I got “iSlapped” in another thread for saying the same thing. Duh-- let’s admit to murders, felonies, and drug use in open forums.

Twatevah.

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You guys telling him to not get an attorney will probably suck at business (once you graduate high school). Unless you are just doing it for your own personal amusement, then by all means, continue!

Just for fun, I put together a risk chart. I think we can all agree that the IMPACT if wrongfully convicted is a “10” (on a level of shittiness). As far as the probability of that happening? I consider it to be very low, however, you DID get asked to come back in for a second interview (even though you supposedly told them you hadn’t seen the guy in 3 years and were nowehre near the party when the shit went down). Therefore, I gave it a level 2 probability (>20%). Which puts us squarely in the RED. Anybody with half a brain would advise you not to proceed without an attorney. But use your own judgement.

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[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks this whole thing is b.s? OP its simple, were you at that house party the night the dude was killed? You indicate you weren’t so what are you worried about. And how the fuck did the police know you had a history with this guy specifically. Surely you’re somewhere down a queue of other ’
peoples of interests.’ Theres no way they are going to convict you of anything. [/quote]
This will be my last post in this thread.

They knew I had a history, because I think the first thing they must have done was pull the guys file and see what he had been involved. I and perhaps some others, I prolly came up as someone who assaulted him. I don’t know what else and who else was on there, so there may be a queue.

And no, I wasn’t at the part. Last I heard the victim, had gone to prison for 8 months as well, so our lives have diverged greatly. I’ve been in school, and he may have had countless violent encounters with others.

I’m not worried about it, but I’m also going to practice due dilligence, so the full legal investigation can take place properly with whatever help they need from me.[/quote]

You might want to go back and edit your posts so as to remove every single thing you said if what you’re saying is true.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

Where did you just come from? Did the snowstorm wake you up or something?

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I was locked in the closet.