I'm A Suspect In A Murder Case...

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[quote]trevor16 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]trevor16 wrote:
I am a police constable and in my experience I would suggest that if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to be concerned about. You don’t need to waste your money on a lawyer when you have had no involvement in this incident. Murder investigations are often very complex and there will be dozens of people spoken to who have no involvement in the incident. This is because as a police officer you never know who will be able to provide some insight into the situation without speaking to everyone who knows this guy.

Just because they are asking you questions doesn’t mean you are a suspect. I don’t know where you are from, but in Canada, prior to an interview with a suspect the police must provide the individual with an opportunity to speak with a lawyer and explain to them that they have no responsibility to say anything. I don’t know how it works in the USA, but I would assume it is similar as in Canada.

It looks to me as if you are just being spoken to in an attempt to determine if you can provide any information that could assist with the investigation. I would suggest to you that you tell the truth and not worry about the issue. [/quote]

Excuse me, but you’re a fucking idiot.

You know, because innocent people are never charged. Innocent people never go to jail. Innocent people have never been freed from death row. Are you serious? Please stop posting. Go eat a donut and write a ticket.
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Im sorry you have a poor perception of police tactics. Yes occasionally innocent (or often ``not guilty`` which is a whole different story) people have been charged, however assuming that because a tiny amount of investigations have gone wrong, that the police are out to get everyone is pretty ignorant. I am just providing my opinion with my experience as a cop. He doesnt have to listen to me, but not everyone is as negative as you and maybe he will feel differently than you. For me, if I were in a similar situation, I would not pay $600 to speak with a lawyer about my options. If he is concerned about the situation he can simply tell the police that he does not wish to speak with them and unless he is more involved than he previously mentioned he will have no further involvement.

Relax…the police are not out to screw over everyone they can. Law abiding people have nothing to worry about from the police. You sound like you are part of the tiny part of society who through your own bad decisions has found yourself on the wrong side of the law. If you don`t like my advice you can ignore it…just trying to help.[/quote]

youre also a cop in canada, thats not even a fair comparison to the united states. i got pulled over by a mountie and it was the nicest police encounter ive ever had. i was doing well above the speed limit in the middle of nowhere in new brunswick and the first thing he asked me is if everyone in my family is alright or if there is a medical emergency. In the states, they would have been grinning ear to ear as my car was impounded on the spot.

you might not have been on the bad side of a cop here in the united states, so you may not know why people feel as they do. Most of the time they are lower-medium intelligence guys that coasted through an easy program at a state school and they are on a power trip. i dont have a problem with authority, im generally respectful of the police and i try to pretend they are there to protect & serve, but most encounters ive had in the US have been less than stellar.

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[quote]trevor16 wrote:
Like I briefly mentioned earlier, in Canada upon questioning anyone we feel is or could be a suspect we have to inform them that they are a suspect, provide them with an opportunity to speak with a lawyer and tell them they are under no obligation to say anything. I`m not sure how this works in the United States, however I am sure it is similar. [/quote]
You shouldn’t be, as it isn’t.

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[quote]clockworkchad wrote:

[quote]trevor16 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]trevor16 wrote:
I am a police constable and in my experience I would suggest that if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to be concerned about. You don’t need to waste your money on a lawyer when you have had no involvement in this incident. Murder investigations are often very complex and there will be dozens of people spoken to who have no involvement in the incident. This is because as a police officer you never know who will be able to provide some insight into the situation without speaking to everyone who knows this guy.

Just because they are asking you questions doesn’t mean you are a suspect. I don’t know where you are from, but in Canada, prior to an interview with a suspect the police must provide the individual with an opportunity to speak with a lawyer and explain to them that they have no responsibility to say anything. I don’t know how it works in the USA, but I would assume it is similar as in Canada.

It looks to me as if you are just being spoken to in an attempt to determine if you can provide any information that could assist with the investigation. I would suggest to you that you tell the truth and not worry about the issue. [/quote]

Excuse me, but you’re a fucking idiot.

You know, because innocent people are never charged. Innocent people never go to jail. Innocent people have never been freed from death row. Are you serious? Please stop posting. Go eat a donut and write a ticket.
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Im sorry you have a poor perception of police tactics. Yes occasionally innocent (or often ``not guilty`` which is a whole different story) people have been charged, however assuming that because a tiny amount of investigations have gone wrong, that the police are out to get everyone is pretty ignorant. I am just providing my opinion with my experience as a cop. He doesnt have to listen to me, but not everyone is as negative as you and maybe he will feel differently than you. For me, if I were in a similar situation, I would not pay $600 to speak with a lawyer about my options. If he is concerned about the situation he can simply tell the police that he does not wish to speak with them and unless he is more involved than he previously mentioned he will have no further involvement.

Relax…the police are not out to screw over everyone they can. Law abiding people have nothing to worry about from the police. You sound like you are part of the tiny part of society who through your own bad decisions has found yourself on the wrong side of the law. If you don`t like my advice you can ignore it…just trying to help.[/quote]

youre also a cop in canada, thats not even a fair comparison to the united states. i got pulled over by a mountie and it was the nicest police encounter ive ever had. i was doing well above the speed limit in the middle of nowhere in new brunswick and the first thing he asked me is if everyone in my family is alright or if there is a medical emergency. In the states, they would have been grinning ear to ear as my car was impounded on the spot.

you might not have been on the bad side of a cop here in the united states, so you may not know why people feel as they do. Most of the time they are lower-medium intelligence guys that coasted through an easy program at a state school and they are on a power trip. i dont have a problem with authority, im generally respectful of the police and i try to pretend they are there to protect & serve, but most encounters ive had in the US have been less than stellar.[/quote]

Yup thats totally understandable. I am just speaking from my experience and like I said if the OP is from the States, my advice might not be applicable. Im glad you had a good experience with us during your visit.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:

[quote]Charles3264 wrote:
Dont consider yourself as a suspect… If you ve done nothing why not giving answers at the police. If you were a suspect, they would arrest you already and give you your rights. There is no reason for worry about it. They questionned you as a witness(even if you werent on scene)…not as a suspect…because of the past and the relation between you and the guy. Its a normal way of investegation . Cooperation is always the best way to get out of a situation like that…And yes i m a cop and we are not all screwers…and for the one who tells that we are eating donuts…find another stupid sentence…like we ve never heard this one…[/quote]

You arrest everyone immediately upon having suspicion that they might have been the one who committed a crime and you are still a cop?

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No Bill, he mis-spoke. In Quebec they won’t arrest you for just being a suspect. However, they will shoot you.

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[quote]Charles3264 wrote:
Dont consider yourself as a suspect… If you ve done nothing why not giving answers at the police. If you were a suspect, they would arrest you already and give you your rights. There is no reason for worry about it. They questionned you as a witness(even if you werent on scene)…not as a suspect…because of the past and the relation between you and the guy. Its a normal way of investegation .

Cooperation is always the best way to get out of a situation like that…And yes i m a cop and we are not all screwers…and for the one who tells that we are eating donuts…find another stupid sentence…like we ve never heard this one…[/quote]

yet another fawkin idiot. don’t like donuts? go get a bagel. maybe you haven’t heard this one before super cop, YOU are not the final arbiter of who gets charged and prosecuted. you’d have thought they taught you that somewhere between showing you where the dunkin donuts is located in your district and how to write a traffic ticket or conduct an illegal stop or really, prior to teaching you to lie.

THERE IS NOT A CRIMINAL LAWYER ON THE FACT OF THIS GOOD EARTH THAT WOULD TELL THIS KID TO GO TO AN INTERVIEW BY HIMSELF, WHERE MURDER IS THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION. NONE. ONLY A FAWKIN COP. SHEESH. LOL

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[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
neelydan will represent the shit outta you[/quote]

Judge: Order, Order!
Neelydan (in pose): Fuck you! I’m an anteater!

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[quote]trevor16 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]trevor16 wrote:
I am a police constable and in my experience I would suggest that if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to be concerned about. You don’t need to waste your money on a lawyer when you have had no involvement in this incident. Murder investigations are often very complex and there will be dozens of people spoken to who have no involvement in the incident. This is because as a police officer you never know who will be able to provide some insight into the situation without speaking to everyone who knows this guy.

Just because they are asking you questions doesn’t mean you are a suspect. I don’t know where you are from, but in Canada, prior to an interview with a suspect the police must provide the individual with an opportunity to speak with a lawyer and explain to them that they have no responsibility to say anything. I don’t know how it works in the USA, but I would assume it is similar as in Canada.

It looks to me as if you are just being spoken to in an attempt to determine if you can provide any information that could assist with the investigation. I would suggest to you that you tell the truth and not worry about the issue. [/quote]

Excuse me, but you’re a fucking idiot.

You know, because innocent people are never charged. Innocent people never go to jail. Innocent people have never been freed from death row. Are you serious? Please stop posting. Go eat a donut and write a ticket.
[/quote]

Im sorry you have a poor perception of police tactics. Yes occasionally innocent (or often ``not guilty`` which is a whole different story) people have been charged, however assuming that because a tiny amount of investigations have gone wrong, that the police are out to get everyone is pretty ignorant. I am just providing my opinion with my experience as a cop. He doesnt have to listen to me, but not everyone is as negative as you and maybe he will feel differently than you. For me, if I were in a similar situation, I would not pay $600 to speak with a lawyer about my options. If he is concerned about the situation he can simply tell the police that he does not wish to speak with them and unless he is more involved than he previously mentioned he will have no further involvement.

Relax…the police are not out to screw over everyone they can. Law abiding people have nothing to worry about from the police. You sound like you are part of the tiny part of society who through your own bad decisions has found yourself on the wrong side of the law. If you don`t like my advice you can ignore it…just trying to help.[/quote]

Except that your advice is absolutely terrible. As I pointed out to the other meter maid in the thread, the police are not the final arbiter of who gets prosecuted. Next, I made no mention of “not guilty”; I specifically referenced INNOCENT people in jail. Finally, from the people that actually do this for a living - criminal defense attorneys - there isn’t a one alive that would recommend that this innocent kid go to a murder interview unrepresented. I suggest you watch the youtube videos referenced herein and learn how even innocent admissions can be twisted and you end up catching a charge.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
And don’t forget to say, “It wasn’t me! It was the one-armed man!!!”[/quote]

This made me LOL.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]trevor16 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]trevor16 wrote:
I am a police constable and in my experience I would suggest that if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to be concerned about. You don’t need to waste your money on a lawyer when you have had no involvement in this incident. Murder investigations are often very complex and there will be dozens of people spoken to who have no involvement in the incident. This is because as a police officer you never know who will be able to provide some insight into the situation without speaking to everyone who knows this guy.

Just because they are asking you questions doesn’t mean you are a suspect. I don’t know where you are from, but in Canada, prior to an interview with a suspect the police must provide the individual with an opportunity to speak with a lawyer and explain to them that they have no responsibility to say anything. I don’t know how it works in the USA, but I would assume it is similar as in Canada.

It looks to me as if you are just being spoken to in an attempt to determine if you can provide any information that could assist with the investigation. I would suggest to you that you tell the truth and not worry about the issue. [/quote]

Excuse me, but you’re a fucking idiot.

You know, because innocent people are never charged. Innocent people never go to jail. Innocent people have never been freed from death row. Are you serious? Please stop posting. Go eat a donut and write a ticket.
[/quote]

Im sorry you have a poor perception of police tactics. Yes occasionally innocent (or often ``not guilty`` which is a whole different story) people have been charged, however assuming that because a tiny amount of investigations have gone wrong, that the police are out to get everyone is pretty ignorant. I am just providing my opinion with my experience as a cop. He doesnt have to listen to me, but not everyone is as negative as you and maybe he will feel differently than you. For me, if I were in a similar situation, I would not pay $600 to speak with a lawyer about my options. If he is concerned about the situation he can simply tell the police that he does not wish to speak with them and unless he is more involved than he previously mentioned he will have no further involvement.

Relax…the police are not out to screw over everyone they can. Law abiding people have nothing to worry about from the police. You sound like you are part of the tiny part of society who through your own bad decisions has found yourself on the wrong side of the law. If you don`t like my advice you can ignore it…just trying to help.[/quote]

Except that your advice is absolutely terrible. As I pointed out to the other meter maid in the thread, the police are not the final arbiter of who gets prosecuted. Next, I made no mention of “not guilty”; I specifically referenced INNOCENT people in jail. Finally, from the people that actually do this for a living - criminal defense attorneys - there isn’t a one alive that would recommend that this innocent kid go to a murder interview unrepresented. I suggest you watch the youtube videos referenced herein and learn how even innocent admissions can be twisted and you end up catching a charge.
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You sound paranoid…possibly you should seek psychiatric assistance for your delusional thoughts. After several other posters before you provided intelligent (unlike your own) replies relating to USA vs Canadian police methods, possibly my experience as a Canadian police officer is not applicable (depending on where the OP lives). If you would actually read my posts instead of automatically disliking me because of my uniform, you may see that I am not being rude, or attempting to deceive the OP or anyone else. I am merely attempting to provide MY perspective considering my experience (which I think I can safely assume is greater than yours). So…just in case you missed what I said earlier… if the OP is not in Canada he may want to look into the matter further (I am sure he could find a source of information on the internet from one of many reliable law sites) before he spends a considerable amount of money on a lawyer for nothing. Like I said earlier, if he is that concerned he can decline to speak with the police (I am not familiar with your system but I believe that is what the 5th Amendment is).

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Rohnyn is on the ignore list for his ability to write silly posts.

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I’ve seen enough cop shows on tv to comfortably advise you that you don’t need a lawyer. Just show up at 10:00 am and maintain your innocence. At 10:53ish, just spill your guts about how and why you did it. And always blame the victim for causing your actions, for example, “I just went there to talk to him, but he just couldn’t let the past go. He kept badgering me until I just couldn’t take it anymore. He got what he deserved.”

DB

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[quote]trevor16 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]trevor16 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]trevor16 wrote:
I am a police constable and in my experience I would suggest that if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to be concerned about. You don’t need to waste your money on a lawyer when you have had no involvement in this incident. Murder investigations are often very complex and there will be dozens of people spoken to who have no involvement in the incident. This is because as a police officer you never know who will be able to provide some insight into the situation without speaking to everyone who knows this guy.

Just because they are asking you questions doesn’t mean you are a suspect. I don’t know where you are from, but in Canada, prior to an interview with a suspect the police must provide the individual with an opportunity to speak with a lawyer and explain to them that they have no responsibility to say anything. I don’t know how it works in the USA, but I would assume it is similar as in Canada.

It looks to me as if you are just being spoken to in an attempt to determine if you can provide any information that could assist with the investigation. I would suggest to you that you tell the truth and not worry about the issue. [/quote]

Excuse me, but you’re a fucking idiot.

You know, because innocent people are never charged. Innocent people never go to jail. Innocent people have never been freed from death row. Are you serious? Please stop posting. Go eat a donut and write a ticket.
[/quote]

Im sorry you have a poor perception of police tactics. Yes occasionally innocent (or often ``not guilty`` which is a whole different story) people have been charged, however assuming that because a tiny amount of investigations have gone wrong, that the police are out to get everyone is pretty ignorant. I am just providing my opinion with my experience as a cop. He doesnt have to listen to me, but not everyone is as negative as you and maybe he will feel differently than you. For me, if I were in a similar situation, I would not pay $600 to speak with a lawyer about my options. If he is concerned about the situation he can simply tell the police that he does not wish to speak with them and unless he is more involved than he previously mentioned he will have no further involvement.

Relax…the police are not out to screw over everyone they can. Law abiding people have nothing to worry about from the police. You sound like you are part of the tiny part of society who through your own bad decisions has found yourself on the wrong side of the law. If you don`t like my advice you can ignore it…just trying to help.[/quote]

Except that your advice is absolutely terrible. As I pointed out to the other meter maid in the thread, the police are not the final arbiter of who gets prosecuted. Next, I made no mention of “not guilty”; I specifically referenced INNOCENT people in jail. Finally, from the people that actually do this for a living - criminal defense attorneys - there isn’t a one alive that would recommend that this innocent kid go to a murder interview unrepresented. I suggest you watch the youtube videos referenced herein and learn how even innocent admissions can be twisted and you end up catching a charge.
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You sound paranoid…possibly you should seek psychiatric assistance for your delusional thoughts. After several other posters before you provided intelligent (unlike your own) replies relating to USA vs Canadian police methods, possibly my experience as a Canadian police officer is not applicable (depending on where the OP lives). If you would actually read my posts instead of automatically disliking me because of my uniform, you may see that I am not being rude, or attempting to deceive the OP or anyone else. I am merely attempting to provide MY perspective considering my experience (which I think I can safely assume is greater than yours). So…just in case you missed what I said earlier… if the OP is not in Canada he may want to look into the matter further (I am sure he could find a source of information on the internet from one of many reliable law sites) before he spends a considerable amount of money on a lawyer for nothing. Like I said earlier, if he is that concerned he can decline to speak with the police (I am not familiar with your system but I believe that is what the 5th Amendment is).[/quote]

You’re right, I don’t like your uniform. However, your advice is terrible in Canada or the US. Read this slowly: It is unadvisable, for anyone ANYWHERE (where legal representation is your right), to voluntarily submit to questioning from any law enforcement body in relation to a crime. The kid was not a witness to the murder. He was not an innocent bystander. He knew the victim and had a violent history with the victim. ANY advice other than to seek counsel, is idiotic. It’s going to cost him $600. Big deal.

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Take it from someone who unfortunly has had lots of involvement with the law, both here in the states and in Russia. All they want to get is a case solved. If they feel they have enough evidence to convict you, they will charge you. My advice ask for a warrant, if they dont tell them to fuck off. Get a lawyer and by all means do not go to the station to “answer some questions”. Dont trust anyone.

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[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
I’ve seen enough cop shows on tv to comfortably advise you that you don’t need a lawyer. Just show up at 10:00 am and maintain your innocence. At 10:53ish, just spill your guts about how and why you did it. And always blame the victim for causing your actions, for example, “I just went there to talk to him, but he just couldn’t let the past go. He kept badgering me until I just couldn’t take it anymore. He got what he deserved.”

DB[/quote]

You are a fan of “The First 48” too, huh?

@Ronyn
The cops wouldn’t ask you in for questioning if they didn’t consider that you either did the deed or had some valuable information.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
I’ve seen enough cop shows on tv to comfortably advise you that you don’t need a lawyer. Just show up at 10:00 am and maintain your innocence. At 10:53ish, just spill your guts about how and why you did it. And always blame the victim for causing your actions, for example, “I just went there to talk to him, but he just couldn’t let the past go. He kept badgering me until I just couldn’t take it anymore. He got what he deserved.”

DB[/quote]

You are a fan of “The First 48” too, huh?

@Ronyn
The cops wouldn’t ask you in for questioning if they didn’t consider that you either did the deed or had some valuable information.
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The first 48 makes me howl with laughter. You have all these wannabe baby gangsters, tough guys, and within 10 minutes they got a cop lying to them in the interview room about what they don’t know, and they are snitching on their home boy moments later…and they come from a “stop snitchin” culture. If the first 48 don’t teach you that cops are liars, that most people will snitch, and that it’s best to just keep your damn mouth shut and let them detect like detectives, I don’t know what will.

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Don’t trust cops. Period. When I was arrested almost 20 years ago, they beat the shit out of me, claiming that I “resisted arrest”. I was pissing blood for a week. Then they put me in the holding pod, announcing to the other inmates to, “have fun with the white boy”. I was stabbed twice my first night in county before they did anything - they were laughing. I have been beaten (not charged) on four other separate occasions in PG county after being pulled over at night.

FUCK THE POLICE

get a lawyer

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

If the first 48 don’t teach you that cops are liars, that most people will snitch, and that it’s best to just keep your damn mouth shut and let them detect like detectives, I don’t know what will.[/quote]

The Wire

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Typical segment of The First 48-

Detective: We know that you know what happened, Miss Jane.

Miss Jane: No you don’t. You couldn’t have seen me stab her, cause I shot him.

Detective: You shot who?

Miss Jane: Dant’e Simpkins. He was mad that I took his cell phone.

Detective: Then why did you shoot him?

Miss Jane: See? I told you you didn’t know what you wuz talkin about.

Detective: O.K. then. Tell me how Shonda got stabbed.

Miss Jane: Shonda is dead? OHHHH Damn!(crying starts) I just knew she was gonna get it! She said that her boyfriend was gonna stab her at 9:37 using every knife in the drawer. He shouldn’t have done her like that! Oh, she didn’t deserve that!

Detective: So where can we find him?

Miss Jayne: I dunno. I ain’t never seen him in my life. (texts boyfriend a warning from under the table).

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[quote]polo77j wrote:
While we don’t know if the cops “want to send you away” for a crime you supposedly didn’t commit (FTR I believe you didn’t do it … but then again I don’t know the details) you are a suspect or a “person of interest” given your history with the guy. You should definitely get a lawyer and you should definitely not worry TOO much about it since you are innocent. Good luck.

and lol @ scrotus: seriously? The cops wanna set him up huh? Wow. Just wow.[/quote]
Not him in particular, but someone, and if he makes it easy for them then he gets the prize.

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Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck man. Never talk to the police. Also tough lough luck on the whole assault with deadly weapon.

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[quote]trevor16 wrote:
I would suggest to you that you tell the truth and not worry about the issue. [/quote]

I would highly suggest you do not tell the truth(or anything) at all and just keep quite.