Minimum effective dose. You may not need any at all. You may need a lot. There’s no way to know in advance.
As in, another stubborn teenager with non-impressive lifts and an identical personality will come in here and essentially write the same post a couple days from now, and it’ll be the same dance.
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I stopped growing in terms of height at 15 but my clavicles and such didn’t stop growing until 22. I am significantly wider than when I was 15 eventhough my shoulder muscles are not that big. Just FYI. But by all means, hop on now.
Good luck kid! See you back here in a year or so asking how to fix ed
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Living in switzerland next to the german border, I’m usually the shortest guy in sight… I know the pain
We should move to japan.
Wait till your 20 perhaps?Youll get your max natural test at 20.
Getting on at 18 is dumb as hell. You still look like a kid in the face and prolly not done with puberty. If you were some Larry Wheels level freak, I’d say go for it. But you lifts are poverty in terms of competitive powerlifting.
Put in some time at the gym and then reconsider.
Well this was interesting.
I’m in the same boat as most of the other guys here. I don’t see the risk/reward ratio as being a net positive for you. There have been times on this forum when I’ve been in favor of a lifter using steroids at your age, so it’s not as if I would just shut you down because you’re 18.
Steroids suck, and that’s why I think you shouldn’t use them. They’re a fucking pain, an inconvenience, and for me, a necessity to compete at the level I compete at. If I could be a world-class strongman without them, trust me I would. I know you said you can accept the idea of TRT for life, but maaaaaaan. I can tell you, from my own experience, that it’s one thing to say that, and another to live it.
At the end of the day, I’m with soul_fighter on this. the guys that have demonstrated that they have the freak genetics to get to the top of their sport are the ones who should use steroids. You’re just not going to get a positive return on your investment if this isn’t you.
Your lifts aren’t great, as others have pointed out. They’re not absolutely terrible, they’re just really, really average. And that’s a problem. I think steroids would likely make you above average, and that’s about it. Is that really what you want? The potential to be reliant on needles for the rest of your life just to be an above average power lifter (a sport no one actually cares about anyway)?
I think you’re going to do this regardless of what we say, so I will address the cycle specifically. If you’re going to run dbol, I like it at the beginning AND the end of the cycle. I think that’s the best way to use it. It’s great as a kick starter, and as long a the cycle doesn’t make you heavier than what you need to be to make weight, you could run it at the end to peak for your meet. Just keep in mind you’ll retain more water on it, so if you cut water for meets, this will be a factor.
I don’t think you should run adex to start. I think you should have nolva on hand, and run it at 10mg/day if you start to get gyno symptoms.
I think that your test dose is fine. It’s lower than what my first cycle was, which was 750.
If anything goes sideways during your cycle, feel free to tag me in a post, I’ll be willing to help.
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@flipcollar @SOUL_FIGHTER @vvfoo
I just wanted to say that this thread hadn’t been bumped in 17 days.
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Well now thanks to you @unreal24278, it has been bumped again. Even more recently.
Well shit, by my own logic, I just bumped it again. Dammit
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you don’t know all the risk, kid are so stupid these day ! train eat sleep and fucking grow in the long term run. Why the fuck do you want to do steroid at your age ??? you have no reason !!! no fucking reason stupid KID
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@bigmax Many kids will use gear for superficial reasons (to have more attentuated secondary sexual characteristics) in hope that by masking the lack of self confidence and by having extra manly characteristics, that they will be able to attract members of the opposite (or same) sex, however what they don’t realise is that while having better muscle tone, secondary sexual characteristics etc. Make it EASIER for one to pick up sexual partners, if the ability to talk to members of the same and/ or opposite sex isn’t there, and a lack of confidence exists, it doesn’t matter how attractive you are, you aren’t going to be getting a date.
There are tons of ugly, skinny fat guys who consistently score VERY attractive dates, why? Because they’re confident and know how to talk, that’s like 80 percent of the game, if you can’t play the game, you don’t have a shot, it’s as simple as that and no amount of anabolic steroids can fix that. What can fix that is realising rejection is a normal part of life, who gives a fuck if someone rejects you, that’s the WORST thing that can happen when you ask someone out, and sure it might sting but it isn’t going to have any long term harmful impact on the individual, what will have a long term harmful impact is being too shit scared to talk to potential partners and then never getting laid lol.
The best way to get better at playing the game is to… Practice… Practice, practice practice, I’ll admit I’m not an expert, I tend to go by what I observe, I don’t talk to many girls as it’s hard to find girls that are my type (attractive, into my music, intelligent), however when I do find a girl that’s my type I’ll always strike up a conversation.
And while this reason for using AAS may seem stupid, I see many adults using anabolic steroids for the same reason.
Kids and adults do stupid shit, but it doesnt make it right.
Women get fake ass implants all the time and many end up with infections, and some end up dying. Most of these are adults. And that happens because they don’t even consider what may happen.
I don’t know why anyone would want the possibility of committing the rest of their life to TRT at 18, when they have the option of putting that off as long as possible. Does nobody in your area lift more than you naturally?
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Never said it was right, however many people tend to pin irresponsibility soley on kids right, and I find it strange as while children and teenagers are far more open to making reckless and impulsive decisions, i sometimes see adults do the same things
Not my place to judge, but in many cases I think this also comes from a lack of confidence or willingness to train in the gym, many women can build a nice looking body with compound exercises, breast implants, that’s a bit more complicated, some women don’t want to have small breasts, others, like post mastectomy get them because they’ve had their breasts removed. However black market implants, yea, totally reckless and irresponsible, some people can’t afford proper implants, and if that’s the case… Then DONT GET THE DAMN IMPLANTS! Having a slightly curvier butt isn’t that important unless you’re like a stripper and your income depends on it, then once again it’s complicated.
I don’t know how much I can lift, I don’t go heavy due to fear of injury, I’d bet there’s tons of people who lift more than me naturally, at my height, age and weight class it might be tougher to find however I’m not that strong, I do a lot of cardio and I tend to go for the pump, I can’t afford another injury man.
As to the TRT comment, yea the fact I’ll have to stick myself with needles every week for the rest of my life is an unappealing thought, and should be enough to steer most kids away from using gear, but it’s better than hypogonadism. (I didn’t use gear prior to TRT) the cause of my hypogonadism has remained a mystery, despite lots of time and effort being put in as an attempt to make a clear diagnosis
What are you’re stats, just curious? @SOUL_FIGHTER from what I remember you’re tall (anything over 5 foot 5 is giant no arguments in that)
he is 18 years old…its time to by pass the superficial reasons and be a real MEN ! He is in good shape for a 18 years old boy, he should continue that way, he will get even bigger and bigger ! Go Read in the PHARMA topic, so much guys can’t even get hard erection after 1 year they are about to kill themself, and now we have that stupid kid at 18 years old who want to start injection, with no supervision and zero knowledge. I think this guy does not know what he’s getting into
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I’m 17
I fully agree, he shouldn’t be using gear [quote=“bigmax, post:36, topic:246012”]
can’t even get hard erection after 1 year they are about to kill themself,
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Yea I saw this, dude was using deca, what I don’t understand is why he wanted to commit suicide over not being able to get an erection, surely there mustve been some other mental issue going on, probs altered neurotransmitters and crushed dopamine (as 19-nors) are known to do, because not getting an erection, while it sucks isn’t the end of life, I wasn’t able to get an erection for like 1.5 years, I didn’t want to kill myself due to it (although I did want to die during the worst of my chronic pain).
Yea the kid doesn’t know what he’s getting himself into, which is why it’s up to us to educate these individuals most people completely gloss over the potential cardiac issues that can arise from prolonged anabolic steroid abuse, this is by far the most serious potential side effect, myocardial remodelling, cardiac myocytes contain androgen receptors, anabolic steroids exert many of their effects by binding to androgen receptors therefore it makes sense that AAS have some impact on cardiac structure and function (cardiac muscle). The severity of the impact is unknown, I think with sane dosages and a healthy lifestyle the impact can be minor to none, hell there could be no impact in most individuals, however why take the risk, we just don’t know! I’d say it’s probably anabolic steroids cause a SUB clinical impairment in both diastolic and systolic heart function, potentiate LVH brought on by lifting weight and whatnot. If blood pressure can be kept under control and one takes the correct antioxidant supps it’s possible the cardiac effects could be mitigated, however there will likely always be SOME degree of detrimental cardiac remodeling and most aren’t aware of this and blast insane doses
The latter was in response to OP using your example. I’d say taking black market steroids aren’t very different from black market implants. I guess the botching isn’t as apparent.
I’m 31, 5’8 190, Squat is 395, Bench 285, Deadlift 435.
Nice bench!!
Also it’s debatable, black market implants carry a higher risk of systemic infection and fatal complications. While black market anabolic steroids aren’t always as sterile as their pharmaceutical grade counterparts, bacteria doesn’t grow well in oil, therefore the chance of infection is still low, and when it does occurz the body is typically able to fight off the small amount the body is exposed to via the amount of oil injected. Whether it’s ethical, that’s debatable, I think you and I have different opinions on anabolic steroid use/abuse. While I think the majority of people using anabolic steroids shouldn’t be using, I believe people should have the right to do whatever they want to do to themselves so long as it doesn’t directly harm others (therefore consequences, like the individual dying as a result of their stupid decision and their family grieving doesn’t count). Hence why I believe anabolic steroids should be legal, but methamphetamine shouldn’t be. The individuals who are educated on the risks and take anabolic steroids, I see absolutely no problem with that, I do see a problem with kids hopping on large doses of gear to get buff for a party, it simply isn’t important and it’s exposing the individual to unnessecary risk, however if I can’t stop the individual (you can’t stop a teenager, they’re stubborn as hell) I may as well guide them to do so in the safest possible manner, as if the individual hurts themself and I couldve prevented said injury I’d blame myself as I was at fault for not preventing a potentially preventable injury
How long have you been training for? Do you do powerlifting or bodybuilding?
True that, but I would never put anything in my body unless it was administered by a doctor. I know there’ll be a point where I’ll need to undergo TRT, but I plan to put that off as long as possible.
I compete powerlifting, but I like to train bodybuilding style in the off season. Might do strongman at some point too.