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[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
Itchy wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:

I guess I have to go ahead and say it. I never said that you should not live in high risk areas. I said that you should do so on your OWN RESPONSIBILITY.

If your house fell down, do you demand that your neighbors give you money to help rebuild? No. But I’m a stranger to all you people and you demand that our government take money from myself and others and give it to you. You don’t demand of your neighbors but demand of everyone else.

Such logic is the logic of looters.

http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=index

Last time I checked, my neighbors were still required to pay taxes, just like me. Just like you. It’s interesting how you keep saying you are giving YOUR money to us. It’s also interesting how you only want to argue using metaphors.

Logic of looters? Please explain, if you can.

Simple. Since you choose to live in a high-risk area, you should pay more tax. You’ll use the system more than me. Why should I pay the same rate as you? You live on a resort island and scream for government to build you new roads, sewage, schools, and everything else. I live where a tornado destroys a gas station or barn silo once every 20 years.

Your tax rates should be far hire. Otherwise, you are looting. Fair is fair.

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I think you mean we should pay higher insurance premiums, and we do. Usually with higher deductibles.

Unless of course you are suggesting gov’t takes a bigger role in regulating personal lives… You dirty commie democrat! You secretly love taxes don’t you! How sly!

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[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
Itchy wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:

Simple. Since you choose to live in a high-risk area, you should pay more tax. You’ll use the system more than me. Why should I pay the same rate as you? You live on a resort island and scream for government to build you new roads, sewage, schools, and everything else. I live where a tornado destroys a gas station or barn silo once every 20 years.

Your tax rates should be far hire. Otherwise, you are looting. Fair is fair.

Do you even know what “looting” means? So, now we should pay more tax? The way your argument is evolving, it seems like you’re making this shit up as you go along.

So basically, we should allow the government to “rob” us at “gunpoint” to a higher degree than you, so that you can be “robbed” a little less? You should get your principles in order before you try to assert them to others–your logic is severely flawed.

If you’re going to live by crime, can we expect at least a little fairness?

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It’s not our fault you choose to live in a wimpy state… if you buy your own bs on the matter move to where the big dogs live! Take the personal responsibility to rectify the situation you find yourself in. Texas pays more taxes in a day than Indiana musters up in decades. So, actually, we do pay more taxes than you.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I, for one, would like to make a donation to the hurricane victims.

Oh, wait a minute…that means I’m subsidizing people who choose to live in a hurricane zone.

But wait…I’m already doing this anyway. People choose to live in flood plains and in cities that are 9 or 10 feet BELOW sea level…and I get to send my tax dollars to help them rebuild and live…in hurricane zones and flood plains.

How exciting! I always enjoy paying for others who choose to do stupid things.

Hey, if some of you choose to jump off of cliffs, can I pretty please support your families all my life, with my tax dollars too? Thrilled, positively thrilled!!

Most people have already discussed the fallacy of allocating personal responsibility to living on the gulf coast for damages recieved by acts of nature.

The west coast has massive fires and earthquakes, the east coast freezes and suffers through blizzards, the midwest is prone to flooding and tornadoes…

There isn’t technically a “safe” place to live until nature can be controlled. And then you still have the human element to deal with.

Anyways, I do see your point in self responsibility. Most people are not absorbing your tax dollars. I recieved property damage due to the hurricane and have private insurance that is taking care of it. This is the case for most hurricane victims. Insurance is required of home owners, in flood zones flood insurance is required.

There are instances where FEMA is stepping in to deliver water and food (if you consider MRE’s food)to people who have been displaced until insurance can do anything, but these people are not social security abusing fuck wits. And stores that would typically serve them closed responsibly so employees could stay safe. The victims, for the most part, are responsible home owners caught in a bad situation with no where to go but charity and FEMA until the services they purchased can file and businesses re-open to accept their dollars.

Typically I agree with your stance on tax subsidies, but natural disasters go above and beyond the realm of personal responsibility. Except for the people who choose to stay in mandatory evac zones at least, but that is a different conversation.

Furthermore, Texas has one of the strongest economies in the country right now due to it’s oil industry, HQ’d in Houston. The city is growing quickly due to the job market though it does happen to be on the gulf coast. I would argue people here are more responsible for following money/security than they are staying in a two bit midwestern town, crossing their fingers in hopes of avoiding floods and tornadoes while working at the mom and pop diner living off of food stamps because they don’t realize how big the world outside of sheepfuck midwest is and it scares them. Those people are the drain on society that should be cut off. It would do them good. Spur them on to bigger things.

Keeping productive people buried under debt isn’t the way to carry on. Those people need to rebound and continue carrying the economy asap as they do 99% of the time anyways.

Watch out! X and his cronies will be after you for posting something intelligent like this!

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I see your nonsense has clouded your ability to read…and understand that this post handed your ass back to you. But then again you are that ignorant.

Of course in your twisted ways…you’ll try to somehow take credit for this guy’s post.

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[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Exactly. Very well said. The problems of people in Texas are not my problem.

You have more votes than me and choose to set up an extortionist government though. Be consistent.

HOW MUCH DID YOU SPEND ON THIS HURRICANE?

Please provide the answer in USD.

Why not in Swiss Francs? Don’t you like Swiss Francs?

Okay Dr. Szell, let’s play your game: the cost will probably be about $200 billion. The fed budget is $2,400,000,000. So 200/2400 is 1/12. I paid $28,000 last year. So 28000 divided by 12 is roughly $2,333. That’s my extorted ‘gift’ to people who want someone else to pay their bills. Nothing like vampires to suck taxpayers dry.

How much was your ‘willing’ gift? Enjoy rebuilding some guys condo for him?

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And have you equated varying percentages for corporate taxes, wealthier people than you(As are many of the hurricane victims who eat your taxes for lunch), re-allocated funds already collected, interest earned on invested tax collections etc?

Can you define quantify?

5 Fortune 500 companies probably pay half the debt in a quarter,you have 500 of them, plus many more smaller ones, including LLC’s paying corporate tax and also private income tax, independently wealthy millionaires pay your yearly taxes in a month… the list is deep. You probably pay closer to a a tenth of a percent of the total due divided by the total. $28k is a drop of piss in the tax ocean.

On a side note, anyone volunteering sheet rock/hard wood floor warping repairs for free is welcome to contact me…
What was this “willing gift” comment pertaining too anyways?

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Is federal money pouring into Texas? Yes. Now, why? Why should you guys get dollars from everyone? Are the rest of us your insurance company? If you’re so rich down there, pay your own bills.

You should all be hit with a huge surtax to pay for all the federal money being sent there. And don’t even mention the nonsense about how Texas pays more and blah, blah, blah. You pay more because there’s more of you.

You guys are using your needs, to drain the rest of the country. And you don’t ask, you just take, using your hired IRS thugs. No thought for those who pay and are drained. “But we need it!!”, you shriek, with no thought for those who have to pay for your repairs.

What are you going to do when you run out of victims? The country is going to hell because of this ‘gee let’s rob our neighbors’ philosophy. “But we need it!!”

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[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
Is federal money pouring into Texas? Yes. Now, why? Why should you guys get dollars from everyone? Are the rest of us your insurance company? If you’re so rich down there, pay your own bills.

You should all be hit with a huge surtax to pay for all the federal money being sent there. And don’t even mention the nonsense about how Texas pays more and blah, blah, blah. You pay more because there’s more of you.

You guys are using your needs, to drain the rest of the country. And you don’t ask, you just take, using your hired IRS thugs. No thought for those who pay and are drained. “But we need it!!”, you shriek, with no thought for those who have to pay for your repairs.

What are you going to do when you run out of victims? The country is going to hell because of this ‘gee let’s rob our neighbors’ philosophy. “But we need it!!”[/quote]

I think your user name says it all. Ayn Rand’s philosophies would create a completely failed state in my opinion.
Texas provides huge wealth to the rest of the country. Helping them in an emergency is onlt the right thing to do.

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[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
Is federal money pouring into Texas? Yes. Now, why? Why should you guys get dollars from everyone? Are the rest of us your insurance company? If you’re so rich down there, pay your own bills.

You should all be hit with a huge surtax to pay for all the federal money being sent there. And don’t even mention the nonsense about how Texas pays more and blah, blah, blah. You pay more because there’s more of you.

You guys are using your needs, to drain the rest of the country. And you don’t ask, you just take, using your hired IRS thugs. No thought for those who pay and are drained. “But we need it!!”, you shriek, with no thought for those who have to pay for your repairs.

What are you going to do when you run out of victims? The country is going to hell because of this ‘gee let’s rob our neighbors’ philosophy. “But we need it!!”[/quote]

You’re an idiot.

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[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
Is federal money pouring into Texas? Yes. Now, why? Why should you guys get dollars from everyone? Are the rest of us your insurance company? If you’re so rich down there, pay your own bills.

You should all be hit with a huge surtax to pay for all the federal money being sent there. And don’t even mention the nonsense about how Texas pays more and blah, blah, blah. You pay more because there’s more of you.

You guys are using your needs, to drain the rest of the country. And you don’t ask, you just take, using your hired IRS thugs. No thought for those who pay and are drained. “But we need it!!”, you shriek, with no thought for those who have to pay for your repairs.

What are you going to do when you run out of victims? The country is going to hell because of this ‘gee let’s rob our neighbors’ philosophy. “But we need it!!”[/quote]

This guy has a very cracked-windshield view of the economic system of which he is a part. Funny considering he must be one of the richest men in America (/sarcasm). But what do I know? I am just a looting, gun-toting parasite after all.

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[quote]Itchy wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
Is federal money pouring into Texas? Yes. Now, why? Why should you guys get dollars from everyone? Are the rest of us your insurance company? If you’re so rich down there, pay your own bills.

You should all be hit with a huge surtax to pay for all the federal money being sent there. And don’t even mention the nonsense about how Texas pays more and blah, blah, blah. You pay more because there’s more of you.

You guys are using your needs, to drain the rest of the country. And you don’t ask, you just take, using your hired IRS thugs. No thought for those who pay and are drained. “But we need it!!”, you shriek, with no thought for those who have to pay for your repairs.

What are you going to do when you run out of victims? The country is going to hell because of this ‘gee let’s rob our neighbors’ philosophy. “But we need it!!”

This guy has a very cracked-windshield view of the economic system of which he is a part. Funny considering he must be one of the richest men in America (/sarcasm). But what do I know? I am just a looting, gun-toting parasite after all.
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I was thinking he has more of a “cracked-skull” view of the economic system…and anything else.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

I was thinking he has more of a “cracked-skull” view of the economic system…and anything else.[/quote]

Maybe those IRS thugs pistol-whipped him while they were robbing him.

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[quote]Itchy wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:

I was thinking he has more of a “cracked-skull” view of the economic system…and anything else.

Maybe those IRS thugs pistol-whipped him while they were robbing him.[/quote]

Not IRS…I did it. Nothing wrong with a little wishful thinking.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I, for one, would like to make a donation to the hurricane victims.

Oh, wait a minute…that means I’m subsidizing people who choose to live in a hurricane zone.

But wait…I’m already doing this anyway. People choose to live in flood plains and in cities that are 9 or 10 feet BELOW sea level…and I get to send my tax dollars to help them rebuild and live…in hurricane zones and flood plains.

How exciting! I always enjoy paying for others who choose to do stupid things.

Hey, if some of you choose to jump off of cliffs, can I pretty please support your families all my life, with my tax dollars too? Thrilled, positively thrilled!!

Most people have already discussed the fallacy of allocating personal responsibility to living on the gulf coast for damages recieved by acts of nature.

The west coast has massive fires and earthquakes, the east coast freezes and suffers through blizzards, the midwest is prone to flooding and tornadoes…

There isn’t technically a “safe” place to live until nature can be controlled. And then you still have the human element to deal with.

Anyways, I do see your point in self responsibility. Most people are not absorbing your tax dollars. I recieved property damage due to the hurricane and have private insurance that is taking care of it. This is the case for most hurricane victims. Insurance is required of home owners, in flood zones flood insurance is required.

There are instances where FEMA is stepping in to deliver water and food (if you consider MRE’s food)to people who have been displaced until insurance can do anything, but these people are not social security abusing fuck wits. And stores that would typically serve them closed responsibly so employees could stay safe. The victims, for the most part, are responsible home owners caught in a bad situation with no where to go but charity and FEMA until the services they purchased can file and businesses re-open to accept their dollars.

Typically I agree with your stance on tax subsidies, but natural disasters go above and beyond the realm of personal responsibility. Except for the people who choose to stay in mandatory evac zones at least, but that is a different conversation.

Furthermore, Texas has one of the strongest economies in the country right now due to it’s oil industry, HQ’d in Houston. The city is growing quickly due to the job market though it does happen to be on the gulf coast. I would argue people here are more responsible for following money/security than they are staying in a two bit midwestern town, crossing their fingers in hopes of avoiding floods and tornadoes while working at the mom and pop diner living off of food stamps because they don’t realize how big the world outside of sheepfuck midwest is and it scares them. Those people are the drain on society that should be cut off. It would do them good. Spur them on to bigger things.

Keeping productive people buried under debt isn’t the way to carry on. Those people need to rebound and continue carrying the economy asap as they do 99% of the time anyways.

Watch out! X and his cronies will be after you for posting something intelligent like this!

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Head Hunter did give me a good laugh this morning by agreeing with what we’ve been saying and not even realizing it! Haha What a dumbass!! If ARL would just pull his head out of his ass maybe he would get it to.
And you know neither one of these boys would have the balls to say this to a person face to face who was affected by a hurricane that lived in any of the coastal states, because they would get a good old fashioned Dirty South/East Texas beat down.

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[quote]strangec wrote:

Head Hunter did give me a good laugh this morning by agreeing with what we’ve been saying and not even realizing it! Haha What a dumbass!! [/quote]

It gave me a much needed chuckle, too.

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[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
Is federal money pouring into Texas? Yes. Now, why? Why should you guys get dollars from everyone? Are the rest of us your insurance company? If you’re so rich down there, pay your own bills.

You should all be hit with a huge surtax to pay for all the federal money being sent there. And don’t even mention the nonsense about how Texas pays more and blah, blah, blah. You pay more because there’s more of you.

You guys are using your needs, to drain the rest of the country. And you don’t ask, you just take, using your hired IRS thugs. No thought for those who pay and are drained. “But we need it!!”, you shriek, with no thought for those who have to pay for your repairs.

What are you going to do when you run out of victims? The country is going to hell because of this ‘gee let’s rob our neighbors’ philosophy. “But we need it!!”[/quote]

Is federal money pouring in to Texas? Yes. Does Texas contribute a huge portion of federal taxes to begin with? Yes. That is not nonsense. Texas does pay more… Thank you for confirming you understand that.

Are taxes intended to cover damaged roadways, public buildings, schools etc? Yes.

Is Texas barred from recieving it’s own taxes in time of need? No.

Is Texas sucking up 28k directly from you? Not hardly. You still can’t quantify exactly how much of a percentage you contribute to the divided whole, but it’s not as lofty as you make it seem if you are even paying anything at all.

Your personal opinions aside, your mis-directed simple arithmateic used to solve a logical problem in need of a calculus based advanced financial formula with oodles of info you don’t have for the equation leads me to believe you are talking out of your ass with knee jerk catch phrases and reactions you’ve picked up from an ignorant grampa figure.

I am paying my own repairs, through the private insurance I am required to have as a home owner. So is every home owner. Businesses too.

My federal taxes are also tied up in the same system… and were when the midwest flooded not long ago as well. So is every person involved. They can’t have their own tax contributions? Who is full of nonsense? You.

You shouldn’t be able to drive on roads! I want my taxes back! You choose to live in a sparsely populated state that doesn’t pay jack shit in taxes and shouldn’t have the same quality roads, schools or infrastructure as we do! You gun toting theif!

Back to reality, the tax money is supporting state infrastructure, which is the intent of the tax system. It does provide temporary food and housing for displaced, tax paying victims as well.

There is no Robin Hood going on here. If anything, you are the one in a Robin Hood situation. On a day to day basis, Texas pays a huge percentage of federal tax compared to your state, yet it goes in to the public coffer to be used by all.

Next time you drive down a public street, step in to a library (to study finance or tax law maybe?), study at a public university… give Texas a little thank you for making it possible.

If you want to argue Social Security and welfare, you have a point, but here you are just mis-informed. Study up or forget about it because with facts in the picture you are just a dumb ass with no real knowledge on the topic throwing a temper tantrum.

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[quote]FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
Is federal money pouring into Texas? Yes. Now, why? Why should you guys get dollars from everyone? Are the rest of us your insurance company? If you’re so rich down there, pay your own bills.

You should all be hit with a huge surtax to pay for all the federal money being sent there. And don’t even mention the nonsense about how Texas pays more and blah, blah, blah. You pay more because there’s more of you.

You guys are using your needs, to drain the rest of the country. And you don’t ask, you just take, using your hired IRS thugs. No thought for those who pay and are drained. “But we need it!!”, you shriek, with no thought for those who have to pay for your repairs.

What are you going to do when you run out of victims? The country is going to hell because of this ‘gee let’s rob our neighbors’ philosophy. “But we need it!!”

Is federal money pouring in to Texas? Yes. Does Texas contribute a huge portion of federal taxes to begin with? Yes. That is not nonsense. Texas does pay more… Thank you for confirming you understand that.

Are taxes intended to cover damaged roadways, public buildings, schools etc? Yes.

Is Texas barred from recieving it’s own taxes in time of need? No.

Is Texas sucking up 28k directly from you? Not hardly. You still can’t quantify exactly how much of a percentage you contribute to the divided whole, but it’s not as lofty as you make it seem if you are even paying anything at all.

Your personal opinions aside, your mis-directed simple arithmateic used to solve a logical problem in need of a calculus based advanced financial formula with oodles of info you don’t have for the equation leads me to believe you are talking out of your ass with knee jerk catch phrases and reactions you’ve picked up from an ignorant grampa figure.

I am paying my own repairs, through the private insurance I am required to have as a home owner. So is every home owner. Businesses too.

My federal taxes are also tied up in the same system… and were when the midwest flooded not long ago as well. So is every person involved. They can’t have their own tax contributions? Who is full of nonsense? You.

You shouldn’t be able to drive on roads! I want my taxes back! You choose to live in a sparsely populated state that doesn’t pay jack shit in taxes and shouldn’t have the same quality roads, schools or infrastructure as we do! You gun toting theif!

Back to reality, the tax money is supporting state infrastructure, which is the intent of the tax system. It does provide temporary food and housing for displaced, tax paying victims as well.

There is no Robin Hood going on here. If anything, you are the one in a Robin Hood situation. On a day to day basis, Texas pays a huge percentage of federal tax compared to your state, yet it goes in to the public coffer to be used by all.

Next time you drive down a public street, step in to a library (to study finance or tax law maybe?), study at a public university… give Texas a little thank you for making it possible.

If you want to argue Social Security and welfare, you have a point, but here you are just mis-informed. Study up or forget about it because with facts in the picture you are just a dumb ass with no real knowledge on the topic throwing a temper tantrum.

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Ouch.

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Preach on Formerly Texas Guy!

Does anyone know how bad the Webster area got hit around NASA? I have some friends from that area and I havn’t heard from them yet. My thoughts and prayers are still with all of ya’ll.

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[quote]strangec wrote:
Preach on Formerly Texas Guy!

Does anyone know how bad the Webster area got hit around NASA? I have some friends from that area and I havn’t heard from them yet. My thoughts and prayers are still with all of ya’ll.
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Webster is ok for the region. As they do house NASA and an Airforce base their grid never lost power. My buddy has an apartment down there and it’s fine. Some parts of town might have been hit by flooding but as far as flowing waterways, webster is pretty dry.

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[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
Is federal money pouring into Texas? Yes. Now, why? Why should you guys get dollars from everyone? Are the rest of us your insurance company? If you’re so rich down there, pay your own bills.

You should all be hit with a huge surtax to pay for all the federal money being sent there. And don’t even mention the nonsense about how Texas pays more and blah, blah, blah. You pay more because there’s more of you.

You guys are using your needs, to drain the rest of the country. And you don’t ask, you just take, using your hired IRS thugs. No thought for those who pay and are drained. “But we need it!!”, you shriek, with no thought for those who have to pay for your repairs.

What are you going to do when you run out of victims? The country is going to hell because of this ‘gee let’s rob our neighbors’ philosophy. “But we need it!!”

I think your user name says it all. Ayn Rand’s philosophies would create a completely failed state in my opinion.

Texas provides huge wealth to the rest of the country. Helping them in an emergency is onlt the right thing to do.[/quote]

The help is forced. If the people were so gung-ho to help, why does tax money have to be used at all?

I have lots of sympathy for the people who suffered through no fault of their own. But why does the need of others give them a right to demand my money? What if I want to keep my money?

What if I want to build a vacation home of my own? Why do I have to pay so someone else has new roads and sewers for THEIR vacation homes on Galveston Island?

There is no just reason for this. It is blind brutal force.

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[quote]strangec wrote:

Head Hunter did give me a good laugh this morning by agreeing with what we’ve been saying and not even realizing it! Haha What a dumbass!! If ARL would just pull his head out of his ass maybe he would get it to.
And you know neither one of these boys would have the balls to say this to a person face to face who was affected by a hurricane that lived in any of the coastal states, because they would get a good old fashioned Dirty South/East Texas beat down.
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A thug’s answer to an argument…“I’ll smash your face in!!” Now tell me more about how I should send my money to thugs and brutes. Yeah.

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[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
Now tell me more about how I should send my money to thugs and brutes. Yeah.

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You…ahem…WE already do…get out more often.