Ike is a Coming....

[quote]Professor X wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Exactly. Very well said. The problems of people in Texas are not my problem.

You have more votes than me and choose to set up an extortionist government though. Be consistent.

HOW MUCH DID YOU SPEND ON THIS HURRICANE?

Please provide the answer in USD.

Why not in Swiss Francs? Don’t you like Swiss Francs?

Okay Dr. Szell, let’s play your game: the cost will probably be about $200 billion. The fed budget is $2,400,000,000. So 200/2400 is 1/12. I paid $28,000 last year. So 28000 divided by 12 is roughly $2,333. That’s my extorted ‘gift’ to people who want someone else to pay their bills. Nothing like vampires to suck taxpayers dry.

How much was your ‘willing’ gift? Enjoy rebuilding some guys condo for him?

Wait, was this post serious? You are now claiming that you alone paid 2,300 dollars for this one hurricane?

Are you of legal age to vote yet?[/quote]

You asked for numbers and you got them. You asked over and over, so wtf?

You still don’t get that the numbers are actually of little meaning. It’s the fact that it’s my money, not yours or any other parasite’s down there.

Why do you want to live as a parasite? Pay your own bills. Repair your own roads and shit. How hard is that to figure out? Men, or vultures…pick one.

[quote]mahwah wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Exactly. Very well said. The problems of people in Texas are not my problem.

You have more votes than me and choose to set up an extortionist government though. Be consistent.

HOW MUCH DID YOU SPEND ON THIS HURRICANE?

Please provide the answer in USD.

Why not in Swiss Francs? Don’t you like Swiss Francs?

Okay Dr. Szell, let’s play your game: the cost will probably be about $200 billion. The fed budget is $2,400,000,000. So 200/2400 is 1/12. I paid $28,000 last year. So 28000 divided by 12 is roughly $2,333. That’s my extorted ‘gift’ to people who want someone else to pay their bills. Nothing like vampires to suck taxpayers dry.

How much was your ‘willing’ gift? Enjoy rebuilding some guys condo for him?

Wait…they give out checks!!!

I haven’t gotten any checks as of yet. Hell, I should be in line for like 6 or 7 by now.

Sweeeet, that’s like over $15 grand by your math. I could rebuild my pier with that.

/sarcasm[/quote]

Shit, if this one man paid out 2,300 bucks for this one hurricane, he must be making more than Bill Gates.

What is it that Aynrandluver does for a living?

[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:

Why not in Swiss Francs? Don’t you like Swiss Francs?

Okay Dr. Szell, let’s play your game: the cost will probably be about $200 billion. The fed budget is $2,400,000,000. So 200/2400 is 1/12. I paid $28,000 last year. So 28000 divided by 12 is roughly $2,333. That’s my extorted ‘gift’ to people who want someone else to pay their bills. Nothing like vampires to suck taxpayers dry.

How much was your ‘willing’ gift? Enjoy rebuilding some guys condo for him?

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Wow. My only response is please, please take some courses in both Government and Economics. Your local community college should have a multitude of course option-- assuming you’re old enough to go to college raises eyebrows

[quote]strangec wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
strangec wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
Using a human tragedy to argue your political agenda is stupid.

And this is what you’ve been doing through the forum. Hypocrite.

And that is why I called him out to begin with…

He must be really weak minded because it didn’t take him long to punk out and drink the kool aid from HH.[/quote]

I think HH is his daddy. How can you boastfully tell HH he is wrong…then give him “the good 'ole reach around?”

[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
Professor X wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Exactly. Very well said. The problems of people in Texas are not my problem.

You have more votes than me and choose to set up an extortionist government though. Be consistent.

HOW MUCH DID YOU SPEND ON THIS HURRICANE?

Please provide the answer in USD.

Why not in Swiss Francs? Don’t you like Swiss Francs?

Okay Dr. Szell, let’s play your game: the cost will probably be about $200 billion. The fed budget is $2,400,000,000. So 200/2400 is 1/12. I paid $28,000 last year. So 28000 divided by 12 is roughly $2,333. That’s my extorted ‘gift’ to people who want someone else to pay their bills. Nothing like vampires to suck taxpayers dry.

How much was your ‘willing’ gift? Enjoy rebuilding some guys condo for him?

Wait, was this post serious? You are now claiming that you alone paid 2,300 dollars for this one hurricane?

Are you of legal age to vote yet?

You asked for numbers and you got them. You asked over and over, so wtf?

You still don’t get that the numbers are actually of little meaning. It’s the fact that it’s my money, not yours or any other parasite’s down there.

Why do you want to live as a parasite? Pay your own bills. Repair your own roads and shit. How hard is that to figure out? Men, or vultures…pick one.

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Actually, it is ALL OF OUR MONEY. Every single one of us in this thread with a job in the US pays taxes. How is it you only see yourself in all of this?

I live in Texas and I haven’t asked for shit. I haven’t filed anything with my insurance for this storm at all so who the living fuck are you upset at? The government? If so, then why not move? Why stay here?

I asked you for specifics and you lied. You did NOT pay 2,300 bucks because of this one hurricane unless you own the Southern 48.

Who the fuck do you think you are fooling?

[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
strangec wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
Using a human tragedy to argue your political agenda is stupid.

And this is what you’ve been doing through the forum. Hypocrite.

Now for those who are concerned about what is going on in Ike’s aftermath, I got a report today that there is still a little over 850,000 power outages and they all seem to be in the Houston area. So, hopefully everyone should be able to get in contact with their friends and family before to long.

ARL you can go back to beating off to “Atlas Shrugged” and HH can go back to hunting to give head.

And you can pretend that you’re holding your penis in your avatar. Wishful thinking, oh little one?
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Obviously you’ve already imagined me holding my penis, wishful thinking on your part maybe?

Seriously though, I didn’t get much money from Katrina, I did get 2 FEMA checks but it didn’t cover enough from what I lost. This idea people have of winning the “Natural Disaster Lottery” is crazy. I know of more people who got screwed from insurance companies then who actually got what their policies covered.
All you can do is support the people who need it and coming in here being such a obtuse shithead doesn’t help one bit.

[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:

Why not in Swiss Francs? Don’t you like Swiss Francs?

Okay Dr. Szell, let’s play your game: the cost will probably be about $200 billion. The fed budget is $2,400,000,000. So 200/2400 is 1/12. I paid $28,000 last year. So 28000 divided by 12 is roughly $2,333. That’s my extorted ‘gift’ to people who want someone else to pay their bills. Nothing like vampires to suck taxpayers dry.

How much was your ‘willing’ gift? Enjoy rebuilding some guys condo for him?

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Wow. My only response is please, please take some courses in both Government and Economics. Your local community college should have a multitude of course option-- assuming you’re old enough to go to college raises eyebrows

On a more serious note, has the curfew been lifted yet?

I feel like I’m back in high school with this “in by 12” crap.

As of yesterday it was still in effect according to the city’s website

but I couldn’t tell you how strictly they are enforcing it. I saw a thing on the news today about how they were running out of gas in Nashville because of Ike.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
On a more serious note, has the curfew been lifted yet?

I feel like I’m back in high school with this “in by 12” crap.[/quote]

Nope. It has just been extended.

[quote]Itchy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
On a more serious note, has the curfew been lifted yet?

I feel like I’m back in high school with this “in by 12” crap.

Nope. It has just been extended.[/quote]

Fuck.

I hate lifting when the gym is crowded but I have no choice until they lift this shit.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Itchy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
On a more serious note, has the curfew been lifted yet?

I feel like I’m back in high school with this “in by 12” crap.

Nope. It has just been extended.

Fuck.

I hate lifting when the gym is crowded but I have no choice until they lift this shit.[/quote]

PX,

How long was 24hr fitness out of commision? As for my gym, they just reopenned this past Saturday…

[quote]mudpro69 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Itchy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
On a more serious note, has the curfew been lifted yet?

I feel like I’m back in high school with this “in by 12” crap.

Nope. It has just been extended.

Fuck.

I hate lifting when the gym is crowded but I have no choice until they lift this shit.

PX,

How long was 24hr fitness out of commision? As for my gym, they just reopenned this past Saturday…

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The one I usually go to for chest hasn’t been back up yet. The phones aren’t even working. I haven’t gone by there so the place may not be there anymore.

The other one closer to my house was up by last Tuesday. They close at 11pm…which sucks because I am used to just getting in the gym around 12am.

The only good thing about this…is I finally know when the good looking women workout. I may have to change my schedule around from here on out.

[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
Professor X wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
You guys seem to think this is a one way street.

Think, if this happened to you…you’d be getting the same help and you’d be damn well appreciative of it.

The thing is, all of those people who lost homes were paying taxes as well so how is it “his” money?

This is true.

So the ideal society is one where everyone’s income is at the call of someone else? You were robbed so its okay to rob someone else? How civilised of you.

I don’t expect others to live for me. I don’t expect or want to use government to force others to help pay for my mistakes. I don’t whine and weedle out of my errors.

I know that being a man is tough. It is far easier to be a crafty weasel and shift burdens onto others. I won’t do it. My morality forbids it.

You folks don’t need to invoke morality; you need to discover it.
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You keep presenting logical arguments and genuine moral arguments. All they have is weak ‘But everybody needs help!’ whining. Magnificent destruction of these lib whiners!! Keep on rippin’!

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I, for one, would like to make a donation to the hurricane victims.

Oh, wait a minute…that means I’m subsidizing people who choose to live in a hurricane zone.

But wait…I’m already doing this anyway. People choose to live in flood plains and in cities that are 9 or 10 feet BELOW sea level…and I get to send my tax dollars to help them rebuild and live…in hurricane zones and flood plains.

How exciting! I always enjoy paying for others who choose to do stupid things.

Hey, if some of you choose to jump off of cliffs, can I pretty please support your families all my life, with my tax dollars too? Thrilled, positively thrilled!!

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Most people have already discussed the fallacy of allocating personal responsibility to living on the gulf coast for damages recieved by acts of nature.

The west coast has massive fires and earthquakes, the east coast freezes and suffers through blizzards, the midwest is prone to flooding and tornadoes…

There isn’t technically a “safe” place to live until nature can be controlled. And then you still have the human element to deal with.

Anyways, I do see your point in self responsibility. Most people are not absorbing your tax dollars. I recieved property damage due to the hurricane and have private insurance that is taking care of it. This is the case for most hurricane victims. Insurance is required of home owners, in flood zones flood insurance is required.

There are instances where FEMA is stepping in to deliver water and food (if you consider MRE’s food)to people who have been displaced until insurance can do anything, but these people are not social security abusing fuck wits. And stores that would typically serve them closed responsibly so employees could stay safe. The victims, for the most part, are responsible home owners caught in a bad situation with no where to go but charity and FEMA until the services they purchased can file and businesses re-open to accept their dollars.

Typically I agree with your stance on tax subsidies, but natural disasters go above and beyond the realm of personal responsibility. Except for the people who choose to stay in mandatory evac zones at least, but that is a different conversation.

Furthermore, Texas has one of the strongest economies in the country right now due to it’s oil industry, HQ’d in Houston. The city is growing quickly due to the job market though it does happen to be on the gulf coast. I would argue people here are more responsible for following money/security than they are staying in a two bit midwestern town, crossing their fingers in hopes of avoiding floods and tornadoes while working at the mom and pop diner living off of food stamps because they don’t realize how big the world outside of sheepfuck midwest is and it scares them. Those people are the drain on society that should be cut off. It would do them good. Spur them on to bigger things.

Keeping productive people buried under debt isn’t the way to carry on. Those people need to rebound and continue carrying the economy asap as they do 99% of the time anyways.

[quote]FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I, for one, would like to make a donation to the hurricane victims.

Oh, wait a minute…that means I’m subsidizing people who choose to live in a hurricane zone.

But wait…I’m already doing this anyway. People choose to live in flood plains and in cities that are 9 or 10 feet BELOW sea level…and I get to send my tax dollars to help them rebuild and live…in hurricane zones and flood plains.

How exciting! I always enjoy paying for others who choose to do stupid things.

Hey, if some of you choose to jump off of cliffs, can I pretty please support your families all my life, with my tax dollars too? Thrilled, positively thrilled!!

Most people have already discussed the fallacy of allocating personal responsibility to living on the gulf coast for damages recieved by acts of nature.

The west coast has massive fires and earthquakes, the east coast freezes and suffers through blizzards, the midwest is prone to flooding and tornadoes…

There isn’t technically a “safe” place to live until nature can be controlled. And then you still have the human element to deal with.

Anyways, I do see your point in self responsibility. Most people are not absorbing your tax dollars. I recieved property damage due to the hurricane and have private insurance that is taking care of it. This is the case for most hurricane victims. Insurance is required of home owners, in flood zones flood insurance is required.

There are instances where FEMA is stepping in to deliver water and food (if you consider MRE’s food)to people who have been displaced until insurance can do anything, but these people are not social security abusing fuck wits. And stores that would typically serve them closed responsibly so employees could stay safe. The victims, for the most part, are responsible home owners caught in a bad situation with no where to go but charity and FEMA until the services they purchased can file and businesses re-open to accept their dollars.

Typically I agree with your stance on tax subsidies, but natural disasters go above and beyond the realm of personal responsibility. Except for the people who choose to stay in mandatory evac zones at least, but that is a different conversation.

Furthermore, Texas has one of the strongest economies in the country right now due to it’s oil industry, HQ’d in Houston. The city is growing quickly due to the job market though it does happen to be on the gulf coast. I would argue people here are more responsible for following money/security than they are staying in a two bit midwestern town, crossing their fingers in hopes of avoiding floods and tornadoes while working at the mom and pop diner living off of food stamps because they don’t realize how big the world outside of sheepfuck midwest is and it scares them. Those people are the drain on society that should be cut off. It would do them good. Spur them on to bigger things.

Keeping productive people buried under debt isn’t the way to carry on. Those people need to rebound and continue carrying the economy asap as they do 99% of the time anyways.

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Watch out! X and his cronies will be after you for posting something intelligent like this!

[quote]Professor X wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
Itchy wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:

Simple. Since you choose to live in a high-risk area, you should pay more tax. You’ll use the system more than me. Why should I pay the same rate as you? You live on a resort island and scream for government to build you new roads, sewage, schools, and everything else. I live where a tornado destroys a gas station or barn silo once every 20 years.

Your tax rates should be far hire. Otherwise, you are looting. Fair is fair.

Do you even know what “looting” means? So, now we should pay more tax? The way your argument is evolving, it seems like you’re making this shit up as you go along.

So basically, we should allow the government to “rob” us at “gunpoint” to a higher degree than you, so that you can be “robbed” a little less? You should get your principles in order before you try to assert them to others–your logic is severely flawed.

If you’re going to live by crime, can we expect at least a little fairness?

Are you wearing your helmet today?

If it is a CRIME, why do you want to force the people who suffered the most to be at the receiving end of more criminal acts?[/quote]

To generally address the conversation:

I think the overlooked point here is private insurance, required of homeowners. And flood insurance for flood plane homes. The gov’t is only stepping in on a basic survival level with water, poor quality food for subsistance only and temporary housing until insurance can kick in. Private charities are carrying the bullwark of it anyways.

If people want to rant and rave about uncontrollable natural events (pick your poison depending on what part of the country being discussed) direct your discontent to shady insurance claims adjusters, insurance beauracracies and refusal to pay an account.

Most of the damage will be handled privately.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I, for one, would like to make a donation to the hurricane victims.

Oh, wait a minute…that means I’m subsidizing people who choose to live in a hurricane zone.

But wait…I’m already doing this anyway. People choose to live in flood plains and in cities that are 9 or 10 feet BELOW sea level…and I get to send my tax dollars to help them rebuild and live…in hurricane zones and flood plains.

How exciting! I always enjoy paying for others who choose to do stupid things.

Hey, if some of you choose to jump off of cliffs, can I pretty please support your families all my life, with my tax dollars too? Thrilled, positively thrilled!!

Most people have already discussed the fallacy of allocating personal responsibility to living on the gulf coast for damages recieved by acts of nature.

The west coast has massive fires and earthquakes, the east coast freezes and suffers through blizzards, the midwest is prone to flooding and tornadoes…

There isn’t technically a “safe” place to live until nature can be controlled. And then you still have the human element to deal with.

Anyways, I do see your point in self responsibility. Most people are not absorbing your tax dollars. I recieved property damage due to the hurricane and have private insurance that is taking care of it. This is the case for most hurricane victims. Insurance is required of home owners, in flood zones flood insurance is required.

There are instances where FEMA is stepping in to deliver water and food (if you consider MRE’s food)to people who have been displaced until insurance can do anything, but these people are not social security abusing fuck wits. And stores that would typically serve them closed responsibly so employees could stay safe. The victims, for the most part, are responsible home owners caught in a bad situation with no where to go but charity and FEMA until the services they purchased can file and businesses re-open to accept their dollars.

Typically I agree with your stance on tax subsidies, but natural disasters go above and beyond the realm of personal responsibility. Except for the people who choose to stay in mandatory evac zones at least, but that is a different conversation.

Furthermore, Texas has one of the strongest economies in the country right now due to it’s oil industry, HQ’d in Houston. The city is growing quickly due to the job market though it does happen to be on the gulf coast. I would argue people here are more responsible for following money/security than they are staying in a two bit midwestern town, crossing their fingers in hopes of avoiding floods and tornadoes while working at the mom and pop diner living off of food stamps because they don’t realize how big the world outside of sheepfuck midwest is and it scares them. Those people are the drain on society that should be cut off. It would do them good. Spur them on to bigger things.

Keeping productive people buried under debt isn’t the way to carry on. Those people need to rebound and continue carrying the economy asap as they do 99% of the time anyways.

Watch out! X and his cronies will be after you for posting something intelligent like this!

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I’m essentially saying the same things they are, just better. The gov’t isn’t taking that huge a role, merely facilitating basic survival until the private system can kick in.

THe whole “Texas ate my tax dollars” stance is chicken little-ish. Hell, Texas probably pays more corporate tax in a day than the entire country absorbs in a year due to the world’s largest industry being HQ’d here anyways. Corporate taxes are beastly.

If anything, we are re-claiming what we have paid anyways. TOns of people live, work and pay taxes here. Without quantifiying where each FEMA dollar comes from and when, it’s impossible to say if any of yours even reached us.

[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
I have to agree with HH on some of what he said. And I think he is simply saying that tax dollars shouldn’t be used to repair the homes of people because they chose to live in a particular area. They should bear responsibility.

I live in Indiana. Why should I help pay for repairs in Texas?[/quote]

Insurance? It is a requirement…
At least understand the property system before raving against it.

You do realize the midwest collects the largest amount of social security/farm subsidies in the country? I think it’s about time some of it funnels out to the people who pay in to the system the majority of their lives anyways, at least until insurance can pick up again. Unfortunately, most insurance offices are closed too.