Ike is a Coming....

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
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I don’t expect others to pay my bills. If I do something dumb, then I myself have to bear the responsibility.
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You are an idiot. You live off your wife’s inherited money. You are the opposite of everything you want to be in life.

Welcome Zap! Yeah, I guess you think I’m the ‘John Kerry’ of T-Nation, huh?

I never force my wife to spend any of her money or give me any. Unlike some of the folks here who believe in violence and extortion…

Ask your wife for “furthering your education” tuition money and spend it on economics, tax law and finance. You will do well to learn how the tax system works. And you are obviously full of shit.

Rather than argue head on with info I present, you dodge it. Neither you or Aynrand have any idea what you are talking about and it’s obvious. /thread unless you can intelligently debate the factual flaws pointed out in your philosophy.

Your argument is that Texans pay taxes. Citizens of other states pay the same taxes and at the same rate. Therefore, since you draw more disaster relief than other states, you are being subsidized by other people in other states. You should pay a higher rate because you use more. Use more, pay more.

The system you have is clever because it convinces you that your need gives you a right to the earnings of others. Your dishonesty prevents you from wanting to change that. Your lack of integrity prevents you from admitting it.
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People nationwide do pay taxes. That is pretty obvious smarty pants. So do corporations, also obvious.

Texas residents and companies included. Disregarding the fact that there are more of us and consequently more dollars being contributed to the federal pockets is dishonest and plain ignorant.

You inability to quantify the amount given compared to the amount recieved still renders your argument completely inaccurate and useless. You don’t have the information to back it.

Texas does pay more, period. You have no argument. Texas contributes more on a regular basis as well, in good times our money is funneled to your broke state. Also fact.

Kudos addressing me directly, but come back with facts to support your position. You have zero. Show the numbers. There is no social security-esque game of robin hood here. I’m not repeating myself again. Progress with it.

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[quote]strangec wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I, for one, would like to make a donation to the hurricane victims.

Oh, wait a minute…that means I’m subsidizing people who choose to live in a hurricane zone.

But wait…I’m already doing this anyway. People choose to live in flood plains and in cities that are 9 or 10 feet BELOW sea level…and I get to send my tax dollars to help them rebuild and live…in hurricane zones and flood plains.

How exciting! I always enjoy paying for others who choose to do stupid things.

Hey, if some of you choose to jump off of cliffs, can I pretty please support your families all my life, with my tax dollars too? Thrilled, positively thrilled!!

Most people have already discussed the fallacy of allocating personal responsibility to living on the gulf coast for damages recieved by acts of nature.

The west coast has massive fires and earthquakes, the east coast freezes and suffers through blizzards, the midwest is prone to flooding and tornadoes…

There isn’t technically a “safe” place to live until nature can be controlled. And then you still have the human element to deal with.

Anyways, I do see your point in self responsibility. Most people are not absorbing your tax dollars. I recieved property damage due to the hurricane and have private insurance that is taking care of it. This is the case for most hurricane victims. Insurance is required of home owners, in flood zones flood insurance is required.

There are instances where FEMA is stepping in to deliver water and food (if you consider MRE’s food)to people who have been displaced until insurance can do anything, but these people are not social security abusing fuck wits. And stores that would typically serve them closed responsibly so employees could stay safe. The victims, for the most part, are responsible home owners caught in a bad situation with no where to go but charity and FEMA until the services they purchased can file and businesses re-open to accept their dollars.

Typically I agree with your stance on tax subsidies, but natural disasters go above and beyond the realm of personal responsibility. Except for the people who choose to stay in mandatory evac zones at least, but that is a different conversation.

Furthermore, Texas has one of the strongest economies in the country right now due to it’s oil industry, HQ’d in Houston. The city is growing quickly due to the job market though it does happen to be on the gulf coast. I would argue people here are more responsible for following money/security than they are staying in a two bit midwestern town, crossing their fingers in hopes of avoiding floods and tornadoes while working at the mom and pop diner living off of food stamps because they don’t realize how big the world outside of sheepfuck midwest is and it scares them. Those people are the drain on society that should be cut off. It would do them good. Spur them on to bigger things.

Keeping productive people buried under debt isn’t the way to carry on. Those people need to rebound and continue carrying the economy asap as they do 99% of the time anyways.

Watch out! X and his cronies will be after you for posting something intelligent like this!

And you know neither one of these boys would have the balls to say this to a person face to face who was affected by a hurricane that lived in any of the coastal states, because they would get a good old fashioned Dirty South/East Texas beat down.
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On record for agreeing with this!

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[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
strangec wrote:
I’ve been looking back at some of the ridiculous posts by that raving lunatic HH and that crawfishing sycophant ARL and have just been laughing at their adsurness. I truly enjoyed it when HH called people on here “Prof X cronies”.

Like we get together at the Legion of Doom table and Prof X tells us “First we’ll get the taxes from Indiana and Ohio, then the world!!!”
(insert evil laughter here)

Wow!

Not one person ever remotely challenged HH or myself on the moral grounds of forced aid. Not one. Instead you chuckle and cluck about this nonsense. And X’s meeting stuff isn’t even funny, just pathetically stupid. I bet every one of you will vote for Ahmidijihad’s clone.

You automatically assumed that you are entitled because of your need, that ‘lack’ is a claim on ‘has’. Wow!

What will you parasites do if those who produce one day decide not to rebuild your hurricane coast again (and yet again)? Sit there in hopeless ineptitude screaming at the stars about the umfairness of life? Is it? Is it reallY?

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Someone say something?

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Off topic regarding Ike but I have a question for AynRand and HH.

I’m no stranger to money, investments and being pissed about watching a large percentage of my income and almost half of my financial investments get eaten up by taxes.

I sure as hell don’t want my taxes supporting shady banks and traders in this $700 billion dollar bail out plan.

Conversely, I’ve lost a ton of money in the market with all the fall out that I’m not too happy about.

Assuming you are playing with as much money as you say you are, what is your take on the ridiculous amounts you have undoubtedly lost as well?

Chalk it up as a shitty decision on your part and move along? Decide that as you pay taxes yours should be allocated to save your own private investments rather than go to building roads in another state (along the lines of privatized social security)?

Sue the executives at the companies you invested in for mis-managing your money and hope you get an inkling of a return?

Don’t give an ideological answer if it is bullshit. Should you be protected from the fraud out of your control that killed your accounts or not?

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[quote]FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
Off topic regarding Ike but I have a question for AynRand and HH.

I’m no stranger to money, investments and being pissed about watching a large percentage of my income and almost half of my financial investments get eaten up by taxes.

I sure as hell don’t want my taxes supporting shady banks and traders in this $700 billion dollar bail out plan.

Conversely, I’ve lost a ton of money in the market with all the fall out that I’m not too happy about.

Assuming you are playing with as much money as you say you are, what is your take on the ridiculous amounts you have undoubtedly lost as well?

Chalk it up as a shitty decision on your part and move along? Decide that as you pay taxes yours should be allocated to save your own private investments rather than go to building roads in another state (along the lines of privatized social security)?

Sue the executives at the companies you invested in for mis-managing your money and hope you get an inkling of a return?

Don’t give an ideological answer if it is bullshit. Should you be protected from the fraud out of your control that killed your accounts or not? [/quote]

I don’t invest in the stock market. My uncle took me into his business, which I now mostly own. He was a tool and die maker for GM for 34 years and bought up tracts of land around here (NE Indiana) and leases it to farmers. I run this very small company and am majority owner.

I resent that my tax money goes to help Wall Street criminals and every other person who manages to convince a politician that their need entitles them to my money.

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[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
Off topic regarding Ike but I have a question for AynRand and HH.

I’m no stranger to money, investments and being pissed about watching a large percentage of my income and almost half of my financial investments get eaten up by taxes.

I sure as hell don’t want my taxes supporting shady banks and traders in this $700 billion dollar bail out plan.

Conversely, I’ve lost a ton of money in the market with all the fall out that I’m not too happy about.

Assuming you are playing with as much money as you say you are, what is your take on the ridiculous amounts you have undoubtedly lost as well?

Chalk it up as a shitty decision on your part and move along? Decide that as you pay taxes yours should be allocated to save your own private investments rather than go to building roads in another state (along the lines of privatized social security)?

Sue the executives at the companies you invested in for mis-managing your money and hope you get an inkling of a return?

Don’t give an ideological answer if it is bullshit. Should you be protected from the fraud out of your control that killed your accounts or not?

I don’t invest in the stock market. My uncle took me into his business, which I now mostly own. He was a tool and die maker for GM for 34 years and bought up tracts of land around here (NE Indiana) and leases it to farmers. I run this very small company and am majority owner.

I resent that my tax money goes to help Wall Street criminals and every other person who manages to convince a politician that their need entitles them to my money.

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And what if it is their own money? Like Texans paying taxes and hedge fund owners paying more taxes per year than the average american earns in a life time?

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[quote]FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:

And what if it is their own money? Like Texans paying taxes and hedge fund owners paying more taxes per year than the average american earns in a life time?
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So it therefore follows that if Indiana has some sort of disaster, then you are obligated to help us, for the simple reason that you have more and earn more? We can demand your help as a moral right? So the needy can make demands on the accomplished?

The devil’s race…

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well, I am sorry I got into this debate so late in the game. I live in cypress. Northwest side of houston. I for some reason, was spared. Thankfully my house is nesteled between bigger ones, they lost shingles, I did not.

I used to think, oh those people on bolivar are asking for it, they are silly for living there. Well a lot of those people that live there, are poor. They cant afford to go anywhere, and I learned that when I worked with these people for a while. They are a special breed. And they arent the people lining up for free stuff either.

I love where I live, and never really thought a hurricane would be so bad, to me and whatnot. Im probably a good 70 miles or more from the coast. I figured that was good enough. Well we got smacked. I couldn’t shop, find gas, and was getting to the point of wondering if I could make it to work or not.

I got lucky, and I am glad that we all made it though it. I cat napped all day friday, made it though the first wave, fell asleep when it died down and woke up to get smashed by the second half. Glad I own a new house.

Its crazy and I wont be so unprepared next time. I see how lucky I got, and wont rely on luck so much next time.

I am just glad life is getting back to normal.

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[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:

And what if it is their own money? Like Texans paying taxes and hedge fund owners paying more taxes per year than the average american earns in a life time?

So it therefore follows that if Indiana has some sort of disaster, then you are obligated to help us, for the simple reason that you have more and earn more? We can demand your help as a moral right? So the needy can make demands on the accomplished?

The devil’s race…

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The simple fact is we already help you. Our dollars go to your infrastructure just as readily as you believe yours comes to ours, we all pay taxes right? Or is it that our dollars go to our infrastructure and yours to your own?

The truth is we come back to weighted averages and financial equations to find the real answer.

The fact is Texas in general pays far higher amounts of taxes from personal through corporate level than Indiana, and it goes in to a federal pot to be used nationally.

We recently claimed some of it back for our roads.

The bs was the belief that it would be rebuilding homes and buying new cars.

The truth is that private insurance handles that.

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[quote]FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:

The simple fact is we already help you. Our dollars go to your infrastructure just as readily as you believe yours comes to ours, we all pay taxes right? Or is it that our dollars go to our infrastructure and yours to your own?

The truth is we come back to weighted averages and financial equations to find the real answer.

The fact is Texas in general pays far higher amounts of taxes from personal through corporate level than Indiana, and it goes in to a federal pot to be used nationally.

We recently claimed some of it back for our roads.

The bs was the belief that it would be rebuilding homes and buying new cars.

The truth is that private insurance handles that.
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I predict:
A 50 % probability that he will only skim your post.
A 65 % probability that he will use a vague philosophical reference unrelated to anything you actually just said.
A 72 % probability that he will use the word “parasite”
And a 100 % probability that he will not respond specifically to any of the points you’ve just made.

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[quote]Itchy wrote:
FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:

The simple fact is we already help you. Our dollars go to your infrastructure just as readily as you believe yours comes to ours, we all pay taxes right? Or is it that our dollars go to our infrastructure and yours to your own?

The truth is we come back to weighted averages and financial equations to find the real answer.

The fact is Texas in general pays far higher amounts of taxes from personal through corporate level than Indiana, and it goes in to a federal pot to be used nationally.

We recently claimed some of it back for our roads.

The bs was the belief that it would be rebuilding homes and buying new cars.

The truth is that private insurance handles that.

I predict:
A 50 % probability that he will only skim your post.
A 65 % probability that he will use a vague philosophical reference unrelated to anything you actually just said.
A 72 % probability that he will use the word “parasite”
And a 100 % probability that he will not respond specifically to any of the points you’ve just made.

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I’d bet on those odds.

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[quote]Itchy wrote:
FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:

The simple fact is we already help you. Our dollars go to your infrastructure just as readily as you believe yours comes to ours, we all pay taxes right? Or is it that our dollars go to our infrastructure and yours to your own?

The truth is we come back to weighted averages and financial equations to find the real answer.

The fact is Texas in general pays far higher amounts of taxes from personal through corporate level than Indiana, and it goes in to a federal pot to be used nationally.

We recently claimed some of it back for our roads.

The bs was the belief that it would be rebuilding homes and buying new cars.

The truth is that private insurance handles that.

I predict:
A 50 % probability that he will only skim your post.
A 65 % probability that he will use a vague philosophical reference unrelated to anything you actually just said.
A 72 % probability that he will use the word “parasite”
And a 100 % probability that he will not respond specifically to any of the points you’ve just made.

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People from Ohio settled Texas. We own you.

You guys are like rats in a box that want to argue over how the cheese dropped in the box should be divided up.

FTG never responds to anything. Why should ARL or me respond to the rat argument? You’re all idiots.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Itchy wrote:
FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:

The simple fact is we already help you. Our dollars go to your infrastructure just as readily as you believe yours comes to ours, we all pay taxes right? Or is it that our dollars go to our infrastructure and yours to your own?

The truth is we come back to weighted averages and financial equations to find the real answer.

The fact is Texas in general pays far higher amounts of taxes from personal through corporate level than Indiana, and it goes in to a federal pot to be used nationally.

We recently claimed some of it back for our roads.

The bs was the belief that it would be rebuilding homes and buying new cars.

The truth is that private insurance handles that.

I predict:
A 50 % probability that he will only skim your post.
A 65 % probability that he will use a vague philosophical reference unrelated to anything you actually just said.
A 72 % probability that he will use the word “parasite”
And a 100 % probability that he will not respond specifically to any of the points you’ve just made.

People from Ohio settled Texas. We own you.

You guys are like rats in a box that want to argue over how the cheese dropped in the box should be divided up.

FTG never responds to anything. Why should ARL or me respond to the rat argument? You’re all idiots.

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Welcome back, dumbshit. Still talking in metaphors, I see. Does that shit work for you in real life, face to face conversations?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Itchy wrote:
FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:

The simple fact is we already help you. Our dollars go to your infrastructure just as readily as you believe yours comes to ours, we all pay taxes right? Or is it that our dollars go to our infrastructure and yours to your own?

The truth is we come back to weighted averages and financial equations to find the real answer.

The fact is Texas in general pays far higher amounts of taxes from personal through corporate level than Indiana, and it goes in to a federal pot to be used nationally.

We recently claimed some of it back for our roads.

The bs was the belief that it would be rebuilding homes and buying new cars.

The truth is that private insurance handles that.

I predict:
A 50 % probability that he will only skim your post.
A 65 % probability that he will use a vague philosophical reference unrelated to anything you actually just said.
A 72 % probability that he will use the word “parasite”
And a 100 % probability that he will not respond specifically to any of the points you’ve just made.

People from Ohio settled Texas. We own you.

You guys are like rats in a box that want to argue over how the cheese dropped in the box should be divided up.

FTG never responds to anything. Why should ARL or me respond to the rat argument? You’re all idiots.

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I have directly responded to each of your arguments and have not heard a sufficient reply from either after de-basing your logic.

You are indirectly conceding the point as this time. I would take credit but I was only relaying facts to you so I can’t unfortunately.

Although you will try to save face, I’m glad I was able to expand your mind on extremely basic levels of economics, tax law and the idea of private insurance.

Respond directly to my own direct responses.

I own your cheese. In fact, I am your cheese.

I just paied a shit load of taxes this pay period that, under your logic, will be going to Ohio to pay for your shit since your state’s taxes can’t. (Of course there is just no way they may be appropriated to Texas and our own infrastructure though right? That is where your taxes are going.)

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[quote]FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:

I have directly responded to each of your arguments and have not heard a sufficient reply from either after de-basing your logic.

You are indirectly conceding the point as this time. I would take credit but I was only relaying facts to you so I can’t unfortunately.

Although you will try to save face, I’m glad I was able to expand your mind on extremely basic levels of economics, tax law and the idea of private insurance.

Respond directly to my own direct responses.

I own your cheese. In fact, I am your cheese.

I just payed a shit load of taxes this pay period that, under your logic, will be going to Ohio to pay for your shit since your state’s taxes can’t. (Of course there is just no way they may be appropriated to Texas and our own infrastructure though right? That is where your taxes are going.)

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Wow you are dumb. Seriously.

So now California, with far more people than Texas, subsidizes you. You owe them. Alaska supplies a lot of your oil because you tapped yours out…so you owe them. Florida, New York have more people so they are subsidizing you. Write them a check for all you owe. Jeezus…

You are simply an atavism, an amoral one at that. The brain cells which help someone determine right from wrong never got turned on in your tiny little brain.

You guys are a parasites on the taxpayers of Cali, Florida, New York, Alaska, by your ‘logic’. You folks are human tapeworms and don’t know it.

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[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:

I have directly responded to each of your arguments and have not heard a sufficient reply from either after de-basing your logic.

You are indirectly conceding the point as this time. I would take credit but I was only relaying facts to you so I can’t unfortunately.

Although you will try to save face, I’m glad I was able to expand your mind on extremely basic levels of economics, tax law and the idea of private insurance.

Respond directly to my own direct responses.

I own your cheese. In fact, I am your cheese.

I just payed a shit load of taxes this pay period that, under your logic, will be going to Ohio to pay for your shit since your state’s taxes can’t. (Of course there is just no way they may be appropriated to Texas and our own infrastructure though right? That is where your taxes are going.)

Wow you are dumb. Seriously.

So now California, with far more people than Texas, subsidizes you. You owe them. Alaska supplies a lot of your oil because you tapped yours out…so you owe them. Florida, New York have more people so they are subsidizing you. Write them a check for all you owe. Jeezus…

You are simply an atavism, an amoral one at that. The brain cells which help someone determine right from wrong never got turned on in your tiny little brain.

You guys are a parasites on the taxpayers of Cali, Florida, New York, Alaska, by your ‘logic’. You folks are human tapeworms and don’t know it.

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You just flipped your own logic on it’s head, though I did guild the lilly a little bit.

Congrats, you argue in circles and ultimately against yourself. HH agrees with arguments againsts his own.

To claim one owes another is to admit taxes do wind up in a federal pot. You are still unable to provide any information to average out on what texas pays, what it recieves and where the rest goes.

You can’t do it for your own taxes either.

You can start getting frustrated if you want but my point does still stand, you just supported it and you still have no idea what you are factually talking about. If texas owes all these states, Indiana is in a shit hole of a tax sucking mess.

If you are saying Indiana doesn’t owe these states, you agree that they pull their own tax load, in which case you would have to agree Texas does as well. (we are far from tapped out btw).

Thank you for show casing the ridiculous basis of your argument so clearly.

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POWER RESTORED.

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[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:

You guys are a parasites on the taxpayers of Cali, Florida, New York, Alaska, by your ‘logic’. You folks are human tapeworms and don’t know it.

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Score! I knew I should have placed a bet! (read:parasites)

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[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:

Started out in a nice and intelligent manner, but then lost at the end. Doesn’t name calling mean I win in these internet discussions?
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It’s funny-so far in this thread I’ve been called a parasite, a cow, a plant, and now a tapeworm.

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Who is John Galt?