Having recently embarked on my journey to the dark side, I also have the option of throwing in Igf1-lr3 if I choose to. I would like to start a discussion about which, if either is better and why. From a cost perspective, Igf for me at least will be much much cheaper. I would like to hear more about peoples experiences. How effective would you say either are at increasing the muscle mass obtained from a cycle?
Is it better to run them both for long periods of time, (from what I understand, HGH needs a good while to get decent results from it). What have your optimum dosages and cycle length been? Were these limited by cost, or was there a point where the gains obtained were no longer worthwhile? Do you find that certain steroids work better with HGH/Igf than others, and if so which ones?
Is GH worth the money? Just how much extra muscle can you expect to get out of it? I had read the section on usage, but in deciding on whether to use it or not depends on just how good it really is. HGH is really expensive, IgF is more affordable. How much more muscle would I get out of paying full whack for HGH as opposed to using IgF?
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
6 more muscles. You get 6 more when you use GH instead of IGF1[/quote]
i have to say that was damn funny…alot of your posts border on condescending and unnecessary (IMO) but that was just good humor.
what bonz is saying is you CAN NOT quantify this. People always wnat to know well if i use this what gains will i make…how in the world can anyone tell you that??? No one knows you, how you live, how you eat, how you train, what your genetic predispositon is, the list goes on and on. But having used about every peptide out there at this point i have to agree and revert back to my old train of thought regardless of all teh theory and opinions…high quality GH is far and away better than any other peptide out there…its not even close. For me i did about 6 different runs with IGF always hoping for something new…it is worthless to me. There are some good peptides out there but in teh end i have wetn back to straight GH.
Well its good to get some info as to HGH vs Igf. I understand that you can’t say that someone will gain X amount of muscle using HGH. I do however believe there are more intelligent answers to the question I posed. For example, people might notice that when they use HGH with gear as opposed to without that they gain a few extra pounds, or they might notice that they gain a lot of extra pounds.
For me to justify spending several grand on a 6 month course of growth hormone, I’d better have a fucking good reason for spending that cash, since that could also buy a fuckload of gear instead, or a phat 3D TV and an ipad(even though I dont even want one).
It would also be good to know when you should even bother, is it better when you already have build a large foundation of muscle and helping to push the boudaries later or is it best to use it when building a base to start out from.
Individual experience is useful to know so I’m all ears…
if you still make gains on 1000mg of combined anabolics per week don;t use gh…why would you?
its a matter of progreesion
natural guy says hey i am gonna start juicing and do “just one cycle” LOL we have all been there
then steroid user (formerly natural guy) decides to do just a few more cycles but no more then 500mg per week and take off as much time as on (ok then)
then steroid abuser guy (formerly steroid user guy) decides that he will up his doses to a gram per week but still take time off (hmmm see a pattern)
Then gearhead (formerly steroid abuser guy) decides fuck it i may as well jsut stay on there is no real point in coming off at all so now he is on around a gram per week give or take non-stop and growing well
Then suddenly gearhead stops growing…FUCK! now what, well this is where you start the GH, its just anotehr step in a long progression, but there is no point in it until you have exhausted the other (much cheaper) resources.
Obviously i have greatly paraphrased and shortened what tends to be about a ten year journey for most. Point being don;t throw out your aces when no one has any cards on the table.
When you put it like that, it makes sense to me. I’d be much better off just buying more gear, and its not like im short of it. HGH is so damn expensive anyway. I appreciate the outlook. What about using Igf-1? I understand the general consensus is HGH is far superior, but IGF is loads cheaper. Would you say that falls into the same category as HGH, best kept in the pocket until needed?
[quote]morepain wrote:
LOL well i know its a common theme that anyone that has traveled the road will quickly relate to [/quote] raises hand “Hi, my name is saps and I’m a gearhead.”
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
When you put it like that, it makes sense to me. I’d be much better off just buying more gear, and its not like im short of it. HGH is so damn expensive anyway. I appreciate the outlook. What about using Igf-1? I understand the general consensus is HGH is far superior, but IGF is loads cheaper. Would you say that falls into the same category as HGH, best kept in the pocket until needed?[/quote]
my honest opinion igf-1 has proven to be completely worthless … used it several times…never saw any QUANTIFIABLE results
Now we’re talking. I appreciate the honesty too. It’s interesting that you say quantifiable because I orignally took some flak for apparently asking a question which can’t be quantified. What would you say your personal quantifiable results have been with HGH?
And I guess you would have to qualify that a little with how much gear you were on at the time and roughly what weight and BF you were. And if you have any other advice for someone just starting out with gear I’d love to hear it.
my theories are very simple but honestly i am seriously in a time crunch right now … search archives for my posts i will try to get back to this at some point but you can find most of my theory in old posts
briefly,
i have used for 20 years…10 of which i used over a gram a week constantly…at about 250-260 i could not grow anymore…added GH…years of gh (not paltry doses) later i was 300lbs…now i am older…i am prescribed test and sometimes still use some other compounds but in smaller doses…i easily maintain 260-270 and fairly lean without even trying…no way could i have done that before the gh phase…hope that helps some
I think FuriousGeorge is the only person on this board I can recall speaking of IGF-1 favourably. You could perhaps search his posts if you were looking for another perspective, alhough I certainly trust morepain on this one.
Well thats really cleared things up for me. No way I’m bothering with GH for a few years yet I think. To add 40 pounds at that weight over several years puts it into perspective. It hardly seems worth bothering with until I’ve pushed the limits of the gear envelope (which is a long way off for me). And to run it for years at a high dose, it’ll take me a few years just to save up the cash for it I think.