[quote]pushharder wrote:
I have a new “I want one of these” rifles. Here is the cartridge - the two on the right.
.408 Chey Tac
Google the ballistics.[/quote]
It’s fantastic, but way pricier than a 50. I thought about it, but going for the less expensive bolt action would still have been a ton more overall. If you can afford it, get it, but stock up on ammo.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
CheyTac M-200 [/quote]
BTW, this is the gun used in Shooter, if you recall.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
pushharder wrote:
I have a new “I want one of these” rifles. Here is the cartridge - the two on the right.
.408 Chey Tac
Google the ballistics.
insane. puts anything viewable with todays optics within range.
.300 win mag will kill anything i would be shooting at within any range I could possibly hit something.
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Especially with their scope system. they have stated that a regular shooter can make first round hits at 2000 yards! HUH?!, and with practice and skill, 3000 yard shots are possible, WTF?! HUH?
That Mac guy on future weapons hit some amazing shots. He was a little high, a little low, I think, but then hit dead on at over 2000. Probably can find it on youtube.
True but he supposedly has Navy Seal training or some other special forces background.
I agree with tom63 on the Eotech. We have one on our Colt AR-15 and I wouldn’t dream of using it for more than 100yds. We can still use the peep sight the way we have it set up though which is decent enough for me at 200 yds tops.
[quote]GVkid wrote:
True but he supposedly has Navy Seal training or some other special forces background.
I agree with tom63 on the Eotech. We have one on our Colt AR-15 and I wouldn’t dream of using it for more than 100yds. We can still use the peep sight the way we have it set up though which is decent enough for me at 200 yds tops.[/quote]
You’re right he was a sniper in the SEALS, at least he said that. But it did seem he got there in a few shots. I’m sure a decent deer hunter could be hitting 2000 yard shots with that system in a few hours of professional training.
A buddy in the military has a 4x ACOG sight and he loves it. Some guys have their eotech and he said they are great for quick shooting, but not to hot way out there. I think the dot is one moa so it covers 1 " at a hundred yards, 2 at 200 and so on.
By the way…Great thread. Varq got me on the first page with the marlin lever-action .45–I have had some version of that rifle since I was 10. My dad picked me up a 1895 Cowboy and I love it. Living in a major city it gets some looks when I move. Too bad I only get it out a couple times a year for practice. Some pistol ranges around chicago but not too many places to shoot rifles.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
I have a new “I want one of these” rifles. Here is the cartridge - the two on the right.
.408 Chey Tac
Google the ballistics.
It’s fantastic, but way pricier than a 50. I thought about it, but going for the less expensive bolt action would still have been a ton more overall. If you can afford it, get it, but stock up on ammo.
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It’d only set you back a cool $11,650…
[quote]pushharder wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
tom63 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
I have a new “I want one of these” rifles. Here is the cartridge - the two on the right.
.408 Chey Tac
Google the ballistics.
It’s fantastic, but way pricier than a 50. I thought about it, but going for the less expensive bolt action would still have been a ton more overall. If you can afford it, get it, but stock up on ammo.
It’d only set you back a cool $11,650…
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=125685846
That’d be a cheap one. Look at some of the “packages”.[/quote]
I saw a package for about 23K that included about 198 rounds or so. It’s on the powerball list, haha!
[quote]pushharder wrote:
GVkid wrote:
Lol planning on hunting Bigfoot or something???
With the Chey Tac or the .50 BMG for that matter, Bigfoot could easily be taken out at a mile and a half.[/quote]
That is, if you know have a reasonable idea where bigfoot will be ahead of time…
and he’s reasonably visible…
and he’s relatively still and or moving predictably…
on terrain you’re familiar with…
in favorable weather conditions…
Then yeah, all you have to do is line it up and pull the trigger.
Easy.
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
The DE Mark XIX AE and an AK-47 or M16. I lean more towards the AK for price and availability. [/quote]
What?
I had three Desert Eagles. Sold two and had one stolen so now, sadly have none. I really would have liked to have kept the 41 Magnum, as it was the rare aluminum-frame version.
There is no way I would have relied on any of them. It was an art achieving high reliability at the range. Not that it isn’t a fun item.
Not considering concealability, which obviously one isn’t considering with the Desert Eagles, a far superior choice IMO is the H&K Mark 23.
Mine has never hiccupped, and can shoot 45 Super whenever I care to put that into it. Technically slightly less powerful than the DE’s when so chambered, but not to a degree that matters against most potential recipients.
Besides this, while the DE in another person’s hands might be the equal in accuracy, in my hands the H&K is much more accurate. For whatever reason, it minimizes human error.
[quote]lucasa wrote:
pushharder wrote:
GVkid wrote:
Lol planning on hunting Bigfoot or something???
With the Chey Tac or the .50 BMG for that matter, Bigfoot could easily be taken out at a mile and a half.
That is, if you know have a reasonable idea where bigfoot will be ahead of time…
and he’s reasonably visible…
and he’s relatively still and or moving predictably…
on terrain you’re familiar with…
in favorable weather conditions…
Then yeah, all you have to do is line it up and pull the trigger.
Easy.
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With that Cheytac 408 it does make it simpler. The have a computer driven scope that inputs a whole lot of stuff into it such as temperature, wind, humidity, rotation of the earth and the winning lottery numbers. Just kidding on the last one.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
lucasa wrote:
pushharder wrote:
GVkid wrote:
Lol planning on hunting Bigfoot or something???
With the Chey Tac or the .50 BMG for that matter, Bigfoot could easily be taken out at a mile and a half.
That is, if you know have a reasonable idea where bigfoot will be ahead of time…
and he’s reasonably visible…
and he’s relatively still and or moving predictably…
on terrain you’re familiar with…
in favorable weather conditions…
Then yeah, all you have to do is line it up and pull the trigger.
Easy.
With that Cheytac 408 it does make it simpler. The have a computer driven scope that inputs a whole lot of stuff into it such as temperature, wind, humidity, rotation of the earth and the winning lottery numbers. Just kidding on the last one.
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I’m familiar with the optics, amateur astronomy has had similar technology for decades and computers were originally invented to calculate ballistics tables.
Are you familiar with the real world? Better technology does put more things within your grasp, but to say ‘I could shoot bigfoot at a mile and a half’, shows that you don’t do very much real world shooting. All those military trained shooters with .50 cal. out there and how many do you think make score hits on non-material targets at 1.5+ mi. every year? Maybe 1-2 handfuls? Saying ‘Oh yeah, I could shoot bigfoot at 1.5 mi.’ is more like saying ‘Oh yeah, I could climb K2.’ than 'Oh yeah, I can hit an NBA 3 pointer."
The idea of being able to shoot anything you see impresses and/or motiviates the uninitiated, but people spending $12K on a rifle should know that being able to shoot absolutely anything you see means you either have a (ballistic) weapon that defies the laws of physics or very bad eyesight.
Unless we’re talking about Bigfoot the monster truck, then I apologize, my Mom could hit Bigfoot from 1.5 mi.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Mock-up of the upcoming Robinson XCR-M in 7.62x51 NATO
jawara wrote:
One of the reasons why I bought this rifle is because it can easily be converted to use the 6.5 Grendel round. Well I’ve read about it but I just found this video. If you can shoot thru a car and still be able to kill a person I’m down.
Yeah, but a 7.62x51 will do that, too. Even a 110-grain, if you’re concerned about recoil (which you, being a big strong dude, needn’t be).
And you can get 7.62x51, Jawara. As much as you want.
Hell, even if you didn’t have access to military supplies, you can still about 3 rounds of 7.62 FMJ for the price of one round of 6.5 Grendel or 6.8 SPC (unless you want to buy shitty-ass Wolf ammo) and the .308 will outperform both of the smaller rounds. [/quote]
Yeah I realize that, BUT being able to have one rifle that can shoot all those different rounds seem like a good deal. I know 6.5 grendel isn’t the SHIT but it doesnt suck either, and you can switch calibers in about 1 min and 30 sec. So I’m down with it.
[quote]JD430 wrote:
jawara wrote:
BTW, you know anything about scopes???
There are far greater authorities on optics than me but I’ll try. What do you want the scope to do and how much are you willing to pay?
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I’m looking for somthing in the 1x4 range with a red dot the Millett DMS seems cool but I’d like to see whats out there before I throw down money. $400 is my limit.
[quote]jawara wrote:
Yeah I realize that, BUT being able to have one rifle that can shoot all those different rounds seem like a good deal. I know 6.5 grendel isn’t the SHIT but it doesnt suck either, and you can switch calibers in about 1 min and 30 sec. So I’m down with it.
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Apparently with the new XCR-M you will be able to swap uppers to fire .243 Winchester and 7mm-08 Remington, two nice flat-shooting, comparatively low-recoil rounds.
I agree with you, though: what the XCR really has going for it is the ability to handle both the 5.56 and the 7.63x39, which allows you to use ammo scrounged off any practically any battlefield in the world.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
jawara wrote:
Yeah I realize that, BUT being able to have one rifle that can shoot all those different rounds seem like a good deal. I know 6.5 grendel isn’t the SHIT but it doesnt suck either, and you can switch calibers in about 1 min and 30 sec. So I’m down with it.
Apparently with the new XCR-M you will be able to swap uppers to fire .243 Winchester and 7mm-08 Remington, two nice flat-shooting, comparatively low-recoil rounds.
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.243 would be cool. Not sure why they would add teh 7mm-08 as well. If they are going to do the .243 they should go a bit further up the food chain like .270wsm or even .300wsm. Maybe because of longer barrel requirements?
You can do that with the AR as well for about the same price.
The biggest advantage of the XCR is you can do it quick without swapping the upper reciever. This means no swapping and re-zeroing optics. I am assuming swapping barrels wouldn’t require re-zeroing. This may be a false assumption.
With an AR you almost have to put optics on every upper you buy if you want optics and don’t want to re-zero.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
I agree with you, though: what the XCR really has going for it is the ability to handle both the 5.56 and the 7.63x39, which allows you to use ammo scrounged off any practically any battlefield in the world.
You can do that with the AR as well for about the same price.
The biggest advantage of the XCR is you can do it quick without swapping the upper reciever. This means no swapping and re-zeroing optics. I am assuming swapping barrels wouldn’t require re-zeroing. This may be a false assumption.
With an AR you almost have to put optics on every upper you buy if you want optics and don’t want to re-zero.
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Check out this scope. Hi-Lux Precision Rifle Scopes and Optics
[quote]jawara wrote:
dhickey wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
I agree with you, though: what the XCR really has going for it is the ability to handle both the 5.56 and the 7.63x39, which allows you to use ammo scrounged off any practically any battlefield in the world.
You can do that with the AR as well for about the same price.
The biggest advantage of the XCR is you can do it quick without swapping the upper reciever. This means no swapping and re-zeroing optics. I am assuming swapping barrels wouldn’t require re-zeroing. This may be a false assumption.
With an AR you almost have to put optics on every upper you buy if you want optics and don’t want to re-zero.
Check out this scope. Hi-Lux Precision Rifle Scopes and Optics
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That looks pretty cool. I wonder if the XCR barrels are keyed so they can only go in one way? Even inserting the same barrel 180deg off would probably require re-zeroing. I guess you could mark the barrel in some way.