Idaho Woman Attacked by Wolf

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
When i was in Montana last year visiting family, i asked about the wild life and if i should keep an eye out while on their ranch. Essentially their take on wolves was that it takes some effort to see one. ie. going up into Glacier or way out of town. Saw some black bear, and coyotes but i just cant see a pack of wolves coming into the valley and causing trouble.

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Two years ago a lone wolf sauntered right through the playground in the middle of the day at the Kalispell Middle School right smack dab in the middle of the Flathead Valley. It was on a Sunday so the kids weren’t there.

I’ve seen the video taken with a cell phone. It was not someone’s wolf hybrid either.

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a lone wolf who more than likely would have been too terrified to come close to the playground had there been people out there. OH SHIT, better call the national guard and get some A10’s on standby…

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[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:

Also, the woman is what I would consider sexy. She’s in great shape, a hunting guide, and she’s able to competently handle a firearm in close-quarters and in a high-risk/adrenaline situation. That is a damned good woman right there. Most would have fallen victim.[/quote]

thanks for the lol.

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That makes sense just to get residency somewhere; however, for hunting purposes, don’t count on seeing anything on your land, it just isn’t enough. I was foreman for a 4,000 acre eastern Wyoming ranch and the antelope were hit and miss on our property because it’s just not much land. They can walk through the back part and be in and out in an hour. They can walk across forty acres in minutes.

Before that, I was a cowboy for a 75,000 acre outfit in northern Wyoming. Much better hunting opportunities there because when wildlife came onto the property they might hang around for days as opposed to hours. Now, I know you don’t have the millions to drop on a big ranch like that, but if you bought a little parcel somewhere, I would encourage you to not get your hopes up about hunting your own land and instead make friends with neighboring large landowners, and of course, make good use of public lands.

Absolutely. On multiple occasions I’ve spent months in a cabin in the Wyoming and Colorado mountains with only a wood stove as my source of heat, both in the summer and through the winter months. Those little stoves would cook me right out of those cabins, even in the dead of winter with forty below temps. 45 inches of snow ain’t much. I lived in Steamboat for awhile and had to dig out of the cabin multiple times, especially during the five-hundred inch snowfall years. Five hundred inches. Loved it.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
When i was in Montana last year visiting family, i asked about the wild life and if i should keep an eye out while on their ranch. Essentially their take on wolves was that it takes some effort to see one. ie. going up into Glacier or way out of town. Saw some black bear, and coyotes but i just cant see a pack of wolves coming into the valley and causing trouble.

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Two years ago a lone wolf sauntered right through the playground in the middle of the day at the Kalispell Middle School right smack dab in the middle of the Flathead Valley. It was on a Sunday so the kids weren’t there.

I’ve seen the video taken with a cell phone. It was not someone’s wolf hybrid either.

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a lone wolf who more than likely would have been too terrified to come close to the playground had there been people out there. OH SHIT, better call the national guard and get some A10’s on standby…

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There were people out there. He/she wasn’t terrified. Neither was the one I encountered terrified. Neither was the one standing in my friend’s front yard.

This “terror” you speak of must be something you’ve observed in Ohio wolves. Right?[/quote]

I cant wait to move out there (3 months away) and hopefully ill get eaten by a big bad wolf.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
When i was in Montana last year visiting family, i asked about the wild life and if i should keep an eye out while on their ranch. Essentially their take on wolves was that it takes some effort to see one. ie. going up into Glacier or way out of town. Saw some black bear, and coyotes but i just cant see a pack of wolves coming into the valley and causing trouble.

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Two years ago a lone wolf sauntered right through the playground in the middle of the day at the Kalispell Middle School right smack dab in the middle of the Flathead Valley. It was on a Sunday so the kids weren’t there.

I’ve seen the video taken with a cell phone. It was not someone’s wolf hybrid either.

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a lone wolf who more than likely would have been too terrified to come close to the playground had there been people out there. OH SHIT, better call the national guard and get some A10’s on standby…

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There were people out there. He/she wasn’t terrified. Neither was the one I encountered terrified. Neither was the one standing in my friend’s front yard.

This “terror” you speak of must be something you’ve observed in Ohio wolves. Right?[/quote]

I cant wait to move out there (3 months away) and hopefully ill get eaten by a big bad wolf.
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That would be cool by me.

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I worked for a ranch that ran 800 pairs; for those that don’t understand the terminology, that means 800 mother cows and their calves. That is not 1,600 head of cattle, it is 800 pairs. Big difference. Anyways, when we took the herd up to the high country, naturally we lost some calves to predation. I remember seeing one calf with the meat of his hind legs eaten but nothing else was touched.

We didn’t go on a witch hunt for the wolf (not likely), bear (maybe), or lion (probably), rather we just chalked it up to predator loss and that was that because that’s just how it is in the high country; it’s too rugged and wild to try to exhort any kind of control over.

However, should the problem have moved down to the lower pastures, or even become epidemic up high with a higher percentage of calves killed, then certain measures would have been taken to address the problem and/or minimize losses. Those measures might have included wiser pasture rotation, limiting high-altitude grazing duration, and cooperating with federal and state wildlife agencies concerning lethal control of the predators. That lethal control may or may not include shoot on sight.

I’m not currently in touch with my ranching friends out west, but if there is in fact a problem with wolves as pests, much like the hog is in TX and throughout the southern US, and as dire threats to the safety of humans and domesticated animals, then I’m definitely in favor of appropriate control measures being put in place, namely wolf hunts and livestock owners allowed to shoot on site, no questions asked, until the problem is minimized.

In my opinion, minimization is achieved when livestock losses drop to acceptable maximums which is about a half of one percent of calf numbers (ie, with 800 calves if four were killed that is acceptable, any more and it’s a problem). Encounters and/or sightings should not count either way.

Interestingly, I have leads on a couple of ranch foreman job openings in the Rockies, and should I apply and get hired, then I suspect I will find out first hand what this wolf problem is like.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
I doubt he’d last long enough out here to have the chance to encounter his fantasy. We certainly have all the modern comforts of anywhere else in the US but our population density is still low for a reason. Too lonely and cold for most Lil Red Riding Hoods.[/quote]

And if the cold and loneliness in the winter doesn’t do it, then the chiggers, no-see-ums, mosquitoes and deer ticks in the summer oughta finish the job.

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the attempts to make western high country sound like some Pandora-esque foreign planet are pretty amusing.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:
the attempts to make western high country sound like some Pandora-esque foreign planet are pretty amusing. [/quote]

Well, it kinda is.

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why do people romanticize wolves so much

they aren’t fearsome killers they are wild dogs, they are shit scared of anything bigger than them most of the time. Shit watch any documentary on them, they kill most things by exhaustion. It’s not a fucking lion and the only person crazy enough to manhandle a fuckin lion is mike tyson.

Yeah they look pretty but I really can’t see why dickheads trick themselves into thinking how “badass” it would be to own a wolf. Yay a pet animal that suffers from anxiety all the time and is a big risk around small children, sounds great.

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Wolves aren’t wild dogs.

Dogs are tame wolves.

Wolves are attractive (to me anyway) not because they are fierce, but because they are still wild, and the wild is diminishing. They are pests when they intrude on man’s activities, but I have my opinions about man’s activities as well.

I don’t want to see anyone’s child killed or cattle mutilated, but I would hate to live in a world without wolves.

For what it’s worth, I don’t find dingoes attractive at all.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Wolves aren’t wild dogs.

Dogs are tame wolves.

Wolves are attractive (to me anyway) not because they are fierce, but because they are still wild, and the wild is diminishing. They are pests when they intrude on man’s activities, but I have my opinions about man’s activities as well.

I don’t want to see anyone’s child killed or cattle mutilated, but I would hate to live in a world without wolves.

For what it’s worth, I don’t find dingoes attractive at all. [/quote]

My thoughts exactly.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
When i was in Montana last year visiting family, i asked about the wild life and if i should keep an eye out while on their ranch. Essentially their take on wolves was that it takes some effort to see one. ie. going up into Glacier or way out of town. Saw some black bear, and coyotes but i just cant see a pack of wolves coming into the valley and causing trouble.

[/quote]

Two years ago a lone wolf sauntered right through the playground in the middle of the day at the Kalispell Middle School right smack dab in the middle of the Flathead Valley. It was on a Sunday so the kids weren’t there.

I’ve seen the video taken with a cell phone. It was not someone’s wolf hybrid either.

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a lone wolf who more than likely would have been too terrified to come close to the playground had there been people out there. OH SHIT, better call the national guard and get some A10’s on standby…

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In areas where opportunistic animals are protected from harm and you have two or three generations that have never had to fear humans, they will adapt and lose that sense of fear. That’s one of the things I mentioned earlier that hopefully with the allowance of hunting now, maybe this will put that fear back into them and they will stay away in the wild where they belong.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Wolves aren’t wild dogs.

Dogs are tame wolves.

Wolves are attractive (to me anyway) not because they are fierce, but because they are still wild, and the wild is diminishing. They are pests when they intrude on man’s activities, but I have my opinions about man’s activities as well.

I don’t want to see anyone’s child killed or cattle mutilated, but I would hate to live in a world without wolves.

For what it’s worth, I don’t find dingoes attractive at all. [/quote]

A lot of people in my area have wolves as pets. I respectfully disagree with the posts that they don’t make good pets. There are some things that people need to know:

  1. They MUST have company at all times. The best combination is a domestic dog and a wolf (or a couple of domestic dogs and a wolf). The wolves that go crazy have owners who leave them at home without a companion animal. They will take the lead of the established animal. A buddy of mine has a wolf and a fox terrier. The little terrier is 100% the boss.

  2. Wolves are crappy guard dogs. Why? Because they sleep like the dead and don’t particularly protect their territory. I think this is from being an apex preditor; they don’t need to sleep lightly. This again, is where a little dog is handy. Little dog alerts the wolf who takes care of his little buddy.

  3. Wolves HAVE to be able to get outside if you are not around. They’ll dig a hole in a brick wall/wooden door to get outside. Now, they won’t go anywhere, but they have to go outside.

  4. If you spay/neuter them early, all the dominance crap is a non-issue.

  5. They really, really, (no, really) want to be with you. Unconditional love x1000 stalker points. So you take them in the car, to Wal-Mart, wherever. It’s not uncommon in my town to see people with a wolf at Lawrence Bros (local supermarket). Whoever wrote about the wolf coming to see his person at school is telling the truth. They just do not get being apart.

  6. They are really good to go on hikes with.

  7. They cannot take the heat, or at least the wolves I know can’t take heat. About 80-85 at the peak of the summmer means they have to lay in the shade and take a nap. So if you live somewhere warmer, not a good idea.

  8. Their crap is huge.