Idaho Woman Attacked by Wolf

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
the attempts to make western high country sound like some Pandora-esque foreign planet are pretty amusing. [/quote]

It’s not that. But 6.8 people per sq mile in MT and 5.8 in WY vs the 244 in Ohio does say something.

Bring your “The wolf is just a noble predator worthy of our worship and sincere adulation” ethic out here when you come and you’ll be just like a lot of out-of-state’rs that show up thinking they’re so fucking smart that they’ll teach the local hicks a thing or two.

I predict you won’t last more than a few months.[/quote]

you really dont know me at all which makes your assumption that im some tree hugging liberal all that more funny.

Jesus will be keeping me company as well, he knows how to party with the white stuff…

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
A lot of people in my area have wolves as pets. I respectfully disagree with the posts that they don’t make good pets.[/quote]

They can’t have been too crappy of pets, considering they were the first animals our species ever kept as pets. Of course, we were a bit more wild ourselves in those days. We and the wolves probably understood each other better than we do now.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

  1. Wolves HAVE to be able to get outside if you are not around. They’ll dig a hole in a brick wall/wooden door to get outside.

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So, so true. It was uncanny what my daughter’s wolf/husky mix would do to get out.

Our experience was the opposite.

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Did you shoot that hybrid?

Thanks for the posts regarding where to look! Sorry, we had a long weekend here in Jaypan. I’ll definitely give New Mexico a look. I have a buddy who lives in NM and actually said he’d “maintain” the property when I couldn’t make it there, ie he’s happy to hunt for free. Which to me, is fine because someone I trust can keep an eye on the property once/if I place a cabin or some such.

It is rather sad - and I figured - that 40 acres was nothing. When in Montana you need at least 160 acres to be considered for a land-owners permit it really solidified my gut feeling. I guess I could wait until someday in the future when I might be able to afford that much. I like the idea of lower humidity - especially after being in Japan, haha.

As for wolves, I agree with Varq… again. Modern life is too tame, technology has removed most of the requirements of man to be the pioneers we used to be. Wolves, and all forms of wild, represent that past and something challenging. Yea, that’s a total romanticization, but I’ve never enjoyed a day in “society” more than a bad day in the woods. Nothing beats walking through the woods and watching the first snow start to fall and seeing a deer emerge from the brush, snow sticking to the hairs on the end of his nose and the steam rising from it as he exhales.

I heard some multi-millionaires from Texas have bought a crap ton of Montana property, I guess they like to hunt. Lucky them! I will really give that NM land area a look-see.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
What this morning looked like at my employee’s house near Butte.[/quote]

lucky

Lol that’s awesome!!! Snowball fight!

I love the snow, don’t get me wrong. But driving in it makes me nervous as hell. How do you guys handle that much volume?

FYI, first official day of fall was this past Monday here in Japan. Its finally cooled off to a comfortable temperature, the mornings are beautiful and the evenings are cool. The switch has been flipped, my mind is now focused towards the coming two weeks of Archery season. Very excited.

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:

I love the snow, don’t get me wrong. But driving in it makes me nervous as hell. How do you guys handle that much volume? [/quote]

i recognize that the snow volume we get off of Lake Erie is not the same vicious wild snow of the west, but we have big snow plow trucks and i drive an Audi.

Quasi everyone in the west is used to it, you just drive. Most folks have chains for their vehicles and what not as well.

Also on wolves- headline reads “625 wolves left in Montana, over 6000 permits to hunt them issued”

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/359034

I have no idea if the numbers are true, just found it interesting something was being done. A $19 wolf tag, I’d like to bag one.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
Quasi everyone in the west is used to it, you just drive. Most folks have chains for their vehicles and what not as well.

Also on wolves- headline reads “625 wolves left in Montana, over 6000 permits to hunt them issued”

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/359034

I have no idea if the numbers are true, just found it interesting something was being done. A $19 wolf tag, I’d like to bag one.[/quote]

They are very very hard to find. It aint deer hunting. They likely won’t be hunted by “going wolf hunting.” They will be shot while someone is out doing something else.

This article is hideously inaccurate journalism. Montana has a strict wolf harvest quota system by district. When the quota is met in a particular district, that’s it, the season’s over in that district.

Yes, one can legally take up to five wolves in a season by a combination of hunting and trapping but it’d be very tough to do. You’d have to travel to several different districts to do it.

Only a fraction of the state, less than half, is open to wolf hunting and there is a season.

Also the comparison with Wyoming is misleading.

Thus, when the article says, “If only 2.1% of hunters issued a permit this year reach their bag limit, the wolf will disappear from Montana altogether,” this is pure, unadulterated bullshit.

“As wolves are pack animals, a single hunter will likely be able to kill several wolves in a single trip.” No, not legally. http://fwp.mt.gov/hunting/planahunt/huntingGuides/wolf/

Wolves were not last hunted in the '90’s like the article says. It was the 1930’s.

Last year, the state sold over 18,000 tags. 225 wolves were taken.

Deceit is strong with the Digital Journal.

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I should have prefaced, someone shared this on facebook. I only posted it cause of the relevance (or lack of it). I was familiar with some of the numbers but I did not know how few were taken.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

I should have prefaced, someone shared this on facebook. I only posted it cause of the relevance (or lack of it). I was familiar with some of the numbers but I did not know how few were taken.
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But, yeah, this is the kind of bullshit propaganda that gets “animal lovers” all riled up.

Repeat a lie often enough and…

(not directing that at you)[/quote]

Totally understand you. Someone commented on the link saying “wolves have a natural right to that livestock just as we do. It is selfish and ignorant to think we can hog all the natural resources available and deny other sentient beings those resources. What kind of world are we creating and living in. We are the deadliest cancer. We have to find a way to live altruistically and harmonious with other species. Even if that means losing a few livestock.”

I had to inform that guy how wrong he was.

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

I should have prefaced, someone shared this on facebook. I only posted it cause of the relevance (or lack of it). I was familiar with some of the numbers but I did not know how few were taken.
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But, yeah, this is the kind of bullshit propaganda that gets “animal lovers” all riled up.

Repeat a lie often enough and…

(not directing that at you)[/quote]

Totally understand you. Someone commented on the link saying “wolves have a natural right to that livestock just as we do. It is selfish and ignorant to think we can hog all the natural resources available and deny other sentient beings those resources. What kind of world are we creating and living in. We are the deadliest cancer. We have to find a way to live altruistically and harmonious with other species. Even if that means losing a few livestock.”

I had to inform that guy how wrong he was.
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hopefully whoever made that comment doesnt vote, or have children. sadly i bet im wrong on both counts.

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

I should have prefaced, someone shared this on facebook. I only posted it cause of the relevance (or lack of it). I was familiar with some of the numbers but I did not know how few were taken.
[/quote]

But, yeah, this is the kind of bullshit propaganda that gets “animal lovers” all riled up.

Repeat a lie often enough and…

(not directing that at you)[/quote]

Totally understand you. Someone commented on the link saying “wolves have a natural right to that livestock just as we do. It is selfish and ignorant to think we can hog all the natural resources available and deny other sentient beings those resources. What kind of world are we creating and living in. We are the deadliest cancer. We have to find a way to live altruistically and harmonious with other species. Even if that means losing a few livestock.”

I had to inform that guy how wrong he was.
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hopefully whoever made that comment doesnt vote, or have children. sadly i bet im wrong on both counts.
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Yea I feel the same way. how the fuck do you live harmoniously with predators?

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

I should have prefaced, someone shared this on facebook. I only posted it cause of the relevance (or lack of it). I was familiar with some of the numbers but I did not know how few were taken.
[/quote]

But, yeah, this is the kind of bullshit propaganda that gets “animal lovers” all riled up.

Repeat a lie often enough and…

(not directing that at you)[/quote]

Totally understand you. Someone commented on the link saying “wolves have a natural right to that livestock just as we do. It is selfish and ignorant to think we can hog all the natural resources available and deny other sentient beings those resources. What kind of world are we creating and living in. We are the deadliest cancer. We have to find a way to live altruistically and harmonious with other species. Even if that means losing a few livestock.”

I had to inform that guy how wrong he was.
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hopefully whoever made that comment doesnt vote, or have children. sadly i bet im wrong on both counts.
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Yea I feel the same way. how the fuck do you live harmoniously with predators?
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Ranchers need to do what’s necessary to protect their livelihood, but otherwise i would say avoid areas where those animals live. Bring a way to protect yourself if you’re going into those areas. I’d be willing to bet a wolf blasted with bear spray would never approach anything resembling humanity ever again. I’m just a city slicker tho, so i dont know shit.