Idaho Woman Attacked by Wolf

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:

As far as the “artificial reintroduction” it is no different than reintroducing the bald eagle, bison,

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I’m sorry, pal, but this is some serious stupidity here. Are you so goddamn fucking dense that you think a pack of wolves is comparable to bald eagles or bison? Really?

Think, for crying out loud. Fucking think. Some of you people are dumber than a sack of rocks riding on the wheel well of the short bus. Good grief, I wonder how the likes of you even manage to tie your shoes and amble through your day unscathed much less properly execute a deadlift, squat or bench press.

Fucking dumbass city mouse. Put down your remote control and explore your world the old fashioned way.

They were pushed to extinction like the smallpox virus was pushed to extinction. And for basically the same reason.

Tell us where you live, QuasiTechnicallyDiscombobulated, and we’ll see if we can deliver your very own wolf pack to your neighborhood so we can try and “restore what’s lost” (and I’m not talking about your intellectual acumen).
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Now there’s the pushharder I know.

Welcome back.

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So you commend someone for resorting to acting like a child with insults instead of having a conversation as an adult. News to me. I’ll bow out if that’s the type on conversations to be encouraged.

In fact its probably best anyways.

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Quasi, it is time to take out that little white card I was telling you about earlier.

Once again, like my exchange with Beth on the gun thread, my comment had absolutely nothing to do with you.

In fact, it was a reference to a comment I made on another thread to Push, commending him for his moderate and reasonable response to a couple of comments I thought he was sure to lambaste, and jokingly said “who are you and what have you done with my friend Pushharder.” Now, when I saw his characteristically acerbic response to your post, I welcomed back the persona I knew so well.

See, you haven’t been around long enough to know this yet, but Push and I are good friends on this site, but we have gotten into some bitter arguments, particularly when cherished beliefs (typically held by him) are called into question (typically by me). Once you settle down a bit, try searching for any evolution vs creation threads, abortion vs pro-life threads, almost any religion threads, a number of US foreign policy threads, and a thread about the anniversary of the Hiroshima bombing. You will see Push and myself rhetorically clawing at each other’s throats. But always with respect.

There was one great thread that is no longer around ever since they shitcanned Sex and the Male Animal, about a modern-day pirate harem. It soon became a full-fledged pirate war, with Captain Bloody Varq and his crew versus Captain Pushbeard and his crew trading insults and threats in piratespeak not only on that thread, but on EVERY THREAD we encountered each other on for about two weeks.

None of this would have been possible if we didn’t come to realize that we had more in common than not, and respected one another. Granted, this kind of mutual respect takes time, and you have been on this site what, a little over a year? My first impression of you from the Japan thread was that you were impatient to be taken seriously, and sulky when you weren’t given the respect you thought you deserved. Well, respect is earned by giving it. You have always treated me with courtesy, and I have responded in kind. Push is no different. I mean, he’s an ornery sumbitch, but he’s also an intelligent, reasonable man who responds to intelligence and reason in others.

For all Push’s stated hatred of predators, he does share one thing in common with them: he can sense weakness. Don’t be weak. Don’t e an asshole, but don’t be a pussy either. Pussies often get their panties in a bunch. And if there’s one thing to know about Push, it’s that nothing brings out the dick in him faster than the scent of pussy. I mean that literally and figuratively.

Quasi, I like you, and I’m saying this as a friend: you’ve got to unclench your butt-cheeks a bit. Learn to laugh at yourself once in a while, or I guarantee you, plenty of people will be happy to do it for you.

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I have never hunted in the west and never hunted a wolf but I do consider myself a conservationist and outdoorsmen first and foremost. It strikes me that anything without a balance on the food chain needs to be managed in this day and age.

Do to encroachment on land that used to be open, wolf populations cannot be allowed to just grow without drastically impacting ranchers and what not. With that said, total eradication for the sake of it is also not right and is a far more city slicker way to look at. That is the mentality that led to ranchers and businessmen from the east to nearly eradicate them in the first place.

In areas where populations have exceeded the ability for the land to hold them, they should be hunted and killed. Most wildlife agencies are good at keeping track of this balance, even if they are not always allowed to institute the correct policies by their governments (see the recent article in Field and Stream).

Something like a call in system would work wonders for this management. gives people the opportunity to take them when they see them (something not available with a tag system) and helps the numbers of animals taken to be kept in check. This is important because, if they are anything like coyotes and I am assuming they are, hunting them doesn’t necessarily assure that you will even get a crack at one, and you take the opportunities as they come.

Although the Eastern woods makes predator hunting a little more difficult than the Western plains so ya’ll are probably more effective than we are.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
So you commend someone for resorting to acting like a child with insults instead of having a conversation as an adult. News to me. I’ll bow out if that’s the type on conversations to be encouraged.

In fact its probably best anyways. [/quote]

Don’t worry, he was being a smartass. He has your back in this situation.

Trust me, I know.[/quote]

The fact that your moderated posts don’t show up for several hours after you post them makes this statement kinda ironic, considering that you posted it before I wrote my rambling reproach to Quasi, but neither it nor your previous responses to him showed up until this morning.

Quasi’s a good kid and I hope he comes back to PWI. He just needs to keep form getting his feathers ruffled so easily.

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The imbalance I was referring to was the wolves. Not what they were introduced to manage. I think we should have wolves around just because I like wolves (as well as all animals) and find the extinction of any creature tragic (except love bugs). I like deer and even coyotes too but I kill them to try to keep things in balance.

Wolves have no balance in nature and considering the habitat restrictions of today, they have to be managed by people. I wouldn’t mind wolves being here. If they were managed. We don’t really have the large tracts that would be needed to sustain a pack though.

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If they become dependent upon livestock that’s when their numbers should be cut through hunting. I will reiterate, I wouldn’t mind wolves being here. If they became a problem, there are plenty of people here to keep that in check. However, the difference here is population density. Conflicts with human would be a certainty here (as they are with hogs). But as you said, not really fair for me to say that I want them to stay around but I don’t want to deal with them. I would actually contend that hogs are a far bigger problem for us than wolves are for ya’ll. More than likely more money is lost due to hogs than due to wolves, plus they are almost as dangerous, earning them the nickname the “poor mans grizzly”. So I understand your plight, but that doesn’t mean that I agree with eradication. I think the biggest thing here is the fact that things were left unchecked with no sensible middle ground. You have one group who were perfectly happy with no wolves and would like to see them all gone, you have another group who doesn’t want anything killed ever. Once a few hunting seasons pass and numbers get in better check, as well as opening up the ability for ranchers to protect their property, the problems will become minimal. You will still have wolves, their fear of humans will be restored so that they stay away, and the people that are negatively effected by them have the ability to keep them away.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Large tracts of land exist out there and are just sittin’ there doin’ nuthin really.[/quote]

The west is beautiful, it’s rich, and it has HYUUGE tracts of land.

I think California should have a few packs of wolves. The mountain lions just aren’t up to the task of keeping the poodle and yuppie jogger populations under control.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Large tracts of land exist out there and are just sittin’ there doin’ nuthin really.[/quote]

The west is beautiful, it’s rich, and it has HYUUGE tracts of land.

I think California should have a few packs of wolves. The mountain lions just aren’t up to the task of keeping the poodle and yuppie jogger populations under control. [/quote]

Cali does have on OR-7. I think Northern Cali should take a few wolves too. Then let people hunt them to manage them.

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Wolves would probably help the wild boar problem in the south…

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[quote]Aggv wrote:
Wolves would probably help the wild boar problem in the south…[/quote]

They would help the wild bore problem in Washington, too.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
Wolves would probably help the wild boar problem in the south…[/quote]

They would help the wild bore problem in Washington, too. [/quote]

AMEN BROTHER (said in hulk hogan voice)

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Where did the wolves come from? Were they raised in captivity, or brought from elsewhere?