Ice-Bound Ship Was On Global Warming Mission

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[quote]The Anchor wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]The Anchor wrote:
Actually, it’s an utter waste of my time to argue with those who deny science, or don’t understand it in the first place. If you really want to take it up, PM me.[/quote]

PMs don’t work any more man. Why won’t you just link the study you want to cite so I can look at it?? Don’t cop out.[/quote]

I actually can’t find it. I do have a good source showing scientific consensus in regards to man-made global warming.

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) — the main international body associated with investigating Climate Change says: “Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice and rising global average sea level…There is very high confidence that the net effect of human activities since 1750 has been one of warming.”

I have their report too, it’s in a PDF form if anyone would like it:
http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr_spm.pdf[/quote]

I forgot about this post. This post is insufficient because it does not back up your 97% claim.

Additionally, were you aware that the IPCC defrauded and doctored a vast amount of their data and statistics?

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[quote]The Anchor wrote:
Please continue to disagree with 97% of the world’s scientists. You clearly know more than them on the subject.[/quote]

…please continue to disagree with the same 97% of “the sky is falling and americans are to blame” liberal fucktards that gave us the “polar” opposite in the late 1970’s.

time magazine made four or more covers blasting “ice age on the way” headlines in 1977 because temps dropped so low and many rivers that hadn’t frozen in decades were freezing.

"A leaked copy of the world’s most authoritative climate study reveals scientific forecasts of imminent doom were drastically wrong.****

The Mail on Sunday has obtained the final draft of a report to be published later this month by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the ultimate watchdog whose massive, six-yearly ‘assessments’ are accepted by environmentalists, politicians and experts as the gospel of climate science.

They are cited worldwide to justify swingeing fossil fuel taxes and subsidies for ‘renewable’ energy.

Yet the leaked report makes the extraordinary concession that over the past 15 years, recorded world temperatures have increased at only a quarter of the rate of IPCC claimed when it published its last assessment in 2007."

it’s a propaganda money grab for globalists, led in america by liberal elites such as algore etc…to shear the small percentage of feeble minded americans.

you know the ones that believe when it’s summer it means the world is going into global warming or climate change and vote for carbon footprint taxes that will steal trillions. then actually believe global warming causes drastic freezes also.

algore and the liberals truly care about “climate change” and wants you to agree with the “97% of liberal quoted scientists” as it is making them into billionaires:

i have as much respect for liberal quoted scientists as i do for dennis rodman, oj simpson, algore, al sharpton, the united nations and oh yeah algore again.

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[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
2. By 1995 crippling droughts, crop failure, food riots, Platte River in NE dry, said in 1990 book. http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1850432414/ref=sib_dp_srch_pop?v=search-inside&keywords=heartlands&go.x=0&go.y=0#reader_1850432414
[/quote]

When I drove over the Platte River last weekend, there was plenty of water.

Although a lot of it was frozen.

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[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
2. By 1995 crippling droughts, crop failure, food riots, Platte River in NE dry, said in 1990 book. http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1850432414/ref=sib_dp_srch_pop?v=search-inside&keywords=heartlands&go.x=0&go.y=0#reader_1850432414
[/quote]

When I drove over the Platte River last weekend, there was plenty of water.

Although a lot of it was frozen.[/quote]

Plenty of water in the Platte here in WY too and iced up as well.

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Today we had the lowest temperature on this date in 137 years.

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Anchor,

Remove the money aspect to Global Warming/Climate Change, your 97% will vanish overnight.

This is nothing more than Bernie Madoff at work, just keep the funding gravy train going and scientists will say whatever you want them to.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Anchor,

Remove the money aspect to Global Warming/Climate Change, your 97% will vanish overnight.

This is nothing more than Bernie Madoff at work, just keep the funding gravy train going and scientists will say whatever you want them to.

[/quote]

I’m not that cynical. Close, but not. The climate change thing is a bit of an anomaly in terms of how the cards stack in science. Scientists always follow the grant money–that’s the only way to have a livelihood in science. That doesn’t, however, indicate that scientists will say whatever you want them to say. The vast, vast majority of scientists have personal views but also take pride in their work and won’t deliberately doctor results or experimental design to come to a conclusion. The vast majority of this is done by “interpreters” of science: the science journalists and lay-people who know just enough to popularize something. There are certainly bad apples, and the Economist had an excellent article about the problems Science is facing currently (I believe it was printed late October or early November)

That doesn’t mean scientists will shill themselves out. Nobody, and I mean nobody I know will do that. I fancy I have some more experience in this than you my friend. There are certainly people and organizations which have, and which continue to do so, however. This is more common at an organizational level, and it’s still not incredibly common–as I said, AGW is a bit of an anomaly.

Furthermore, not all anthropogenic global warming is BS. It needs research and it needs money. Many skeptics also accept that man is a warming factor, and has been a net warming factor. That is not the crux of the issue.

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[quote]The Anchor wrote:
Don’t get so easily offended guys. Let’s have a gentlemanly debate.

Maybe you all can collectively display your argument so I can pick apart/debunk each of your points one by one.[/quote]

I just read straight through to this post and nobody was not being gentlemanly.

And

It’s not anyones obligation to prove global warming is not happening. It’s the obligation of those claiming global warming to prove that it is happening and that human activities are contributing to it. You’ve been asked for some details, you should provide them.

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This thread really went down hill after Aragorn’s first post.

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[quote]on edge wrote:
This thread really went down hill after Aragorn’s first post.[/quote]

Three whole pages, and not a single comment. I’d begun to lose hope. Bring back SAMA, this place needs some T infusion…

By far the hottest tv news anchor/commentator…ever.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:
This thread really went down hill after Aragorn’s first post.[/quote]

Three whole pages, and not a single comment. I’d begun to lose hope. Bring back SAMA, this place needs some T infusion…

By far the hottest tv news anchor/commentator…ever. [/quote]

I don’t know if this is true or not, I don’t get around the airways enough to say. But some people make a big deal about The Money Honey and she’s alright but Megyn completely destroys her in my opinion. Megyn is smart as a whip too and that adds to it.

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[quote]The Anchor wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]The Anchor wrote:
Actually, it’s an utter waste of my time to argue with those who deny science, or don’t understand it in the first place. If you really want to take it up, PM me.[/quote]

PMs don’t work any more man. Why won’t you just link the study you want to cite so I can look at it?? Don’t cop out.[/quote]

I actually can’t find it. I do have a good source showing scientific consensus in regards to man-made global warming.

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) — the main international body associated with investigating Climate Change says: “Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice and rising global average sea level…There is very high confidence that the net effect of human activities since 1750 has been one of warming.”

I have their report too, it’s in a PDF form if anyone would like it:
http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr_spm.pdf[/quote]

…i am always amazed how so many believe any education completed before president clinton was in office is irrelevant. somehow “old people” have yet to discover how to search online although i am younger than bill gates and steve jobs.

…and oh yeah no rap zecarlo, none of us here knew before you told us you could drill ice cores to see past weather patterns. they must have invented that during the obama administration so never saw that coming while i was in college. lol.

so now that anchors away has provided us with proof of humanity’s production of C02, nitrous oxide, sulfuric and nitric acids, CFC’s and other “greenhouse” gases, i would like to know where do those 97% explain how man raised temperatures on the other planets in our solar system?

the scientists have known for years that temperatures on OTHER PLANETS are also rising.

the popular media omits that fact because it does not fit their LIBERAL AGENDA.

–THIS IS MY CENTRAL THEME-- BLAMING LIBERAL TV, NEWSPAPERS, MAGAZINES & POLITICIANS for misleading the public for their gain. wake the f__k america.

the whole solar system is undergoing warming:

Mars may be going through a period of climate change - new findings from NASA’s Mars Odyssey orbiter suggest Odyssey has been mapping the distribution of materials on and near Mars’ surface since early 2002, nearly a full annual cycle on Mars.

Pluto is undergoing global warming, researchers find
October 9, 2002

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/universo/cosmos57.htm

i used computers in high school. i also remember time magazine telling us to prepare for the new ice age in 1977. it’s some of the liberal know it all crowd that doesn’t know how to do “complete” searches for information online.

in other words search both sides of your argument because it’s elementary that you will find an argument for your side of the disagreement.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Today we had the lowest temperature on this date in 137 years.

[/quote]

Record lows in Baltimore yesterday as well.

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…these are the people running your “climate change” policies that want you and i to turn our thermostats down to 58 degrees and pee in the dark so we don’t turn on a light.

they want the whole planet to run on solar panels and windmills so they can fly first class and stayed at high end hotels while indoctrinating the kids.

Climate change expert’s fraud was “crime of massive proportion,” say feds

By Michael Isikoff
NBC News National Investigative Correspondent

The EPA’s highest-paid employee and a leading expert on climate change deserves to go to prison for at least 30 months for lying to his bosses and saying he was a CIA spy working in Pakistan so he could avoid doing his real job say federal prosecutors.

In September, Beale, who served as a “senior policy adviser” in the agency’s Office of Air and Radiation’ pled guilty to defrauding the U.S. government out of nearly $900,000 since 2000. Beale perpetrated his fraud largely by failing to show up at the EPA for months at a time, including one 18-month stretch starting in June 2011 when he did “absolutely no work,” as Kern, Beale’s lawyer, acknowledged in his court filing.

He helped rewrite the Clean Air Act in 1990, heading up EPA delegations to United Nations conferences on climate change in 2000 and 2001, and helping to negotiate agreements to reduce carbon emissions with China, India and other nations.

Beale was caught when he “retired” very publicly but kept drawing his large salary for another year and a half. Top EPA officials, including McCarthy, attended a September 2011 retirement party for Beale and two colleagues aboard a Potomac yacht. Six months later, McCarthy learned he was still on the payroll.

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[quote]conservativedog wrote:
i used computers in high school. [/quote]
That was actually an abacus.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
i used computers in high school. [/quote]
That was actually an abacus. [/quote]

what are you doing in another thread of mine, i thought you were in north korea with your “bro” dennis rodman.

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[quote]conservativedog wrote:

the scientists have known for years that temperatures on OTHER PLANETS are also rising.

the popular media omits that fact because it does not fit their LIBERAL AGENDA.[/quote]

This doesn’t have a damn thing to do with warming patterns on our planet and if you had any grasp of science you would know that you can’t correlate, infer relationship, or anything else between planets. That’s the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard as a way of attempting to debunk global warming here on earth. All planets have cycles of some kind–they are not interrelated in any way. What you just posted was the equivalent of astrology.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Anchor,

Remove the money aspect to Global Warming/Climate Change, your 97% will vanish overnight.

This is nothing more than Bernie Madoff at work, just keep the funding gravy train going and scientists will say whatever you want them to.

[/quote]

I’m not that cynical. Close, but not. The climate change thing is a bit of an anomaly in terms of how the cards stack in science. Scientists always follow the grant money–that’s the only way to have a livelihood in science. That doesn’t, however, indicate that scientists will say whatever you want them to say. The vast, vast majority of scientists have personal views but also take pride in their work and won’t deliberately doctor results or experimental design to come to a conclusion. The vast majority of this is done by “interpreters” of science: the science journalists and lay-people who know just enough to popularize something. There are certainly bad apples, and the Economist had an excellent article about the problems Science is facing currently (I believe it was printed late October or early November)

That doesn’t mean scientists will shill themselves out. Nobody, and I mean nobody I know will do that. I fancy I have some more experience in this than you my friend. There are certainly people and organizations which have, and which continue to do so, however. This is more common at an organizational level, and it’s still not incredibly common–as I said, AGW is a bit of an anomaly.

Furthermore, not all anthropogenic global warming is BS. It needs research and it needs money. Many skeptics also accept that man is a warming factor, and has been a net warming factor. That is not the crux of the issue. [/quote]

This is a thoughtful post.

Scientists are people with regular human weaknesses and failings, but that doesn’t invalidate the whole endeavor. I was involved somewhat in breast-implant litigation years ago, and the defense firms/manufacturers had an agenda and massive funding and wanted to prove the silicone implants didn’t cause cancer and a whole array of other auto-immune diseases. In time, they crushed the plaintiffs with a mountain of epidemiological studies proving no causation on most of the major claims/illnesses.

The agenda and massive funding didn’t invalidate the studies, which were subject to attack on cross examination and with competing experts. The point being, science generally works over time and moves us forward even if it can be manipulated in the short term and even if there are political forces at work driving the direction of the research. Over time, the outliers who fake evidence and reach bad conclusions are exposed because fake evidence and bad conclusions don’t produce reproducible or testable results.