I hear you man. As someone who has no vested interest either as a supplier or customer (I just tune in out of curiosity) it would be hard, as it always is in heated argument and mud slinging, to know where the truth lies.
Take care,
D
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Heywood Jablome wrote:
I actually semi-respect his knowledge and dedication to his craft, but he’s narcissistic and unable to see his own limitations.
Prescisely my thoughts…[/quote]
Oh yeah…and the thing is that he’s the only one on this entire site that’s like that…you guys must be even more deluded than you first appear.
The absolute cheek of you guys…have you ever had a look at this site???
Wake up to yourselves.
[quote]Singleton wrote:
~Justin~ wrote:
Has anyone had any problems with the quality of the products IBE provides?
A lot of people have.
I have.
The guys on Melanotan.org know that IBE’s Melanotan II does not work.
IBE knows that. Still selling it.
IBE knows that their MGF does not work. Still selling it.
I used IBE in the past and was satisfied with what I got – Ketotifen, and some liquid tamoxifen, I think.
My recent order was a different story.
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1013331&pageNo=3#1167805
IBE didn’t package the peptides properly on my order. Didn’t reply to any emails. The guys on Melanotan.org had similar experiences.
However, if the peptides are already damaged, no amount of proper packaging will help un-damage them.
No amount of PEGylation will make MGF work if it’s melted to the container. And yes, that is how my MGF arrived. Both bottles.
[/quote]
Their Melanotan does not work? Looks like I’ll be ordering from AG-guys. Even if it’s not true, why risk it? I’ll wait till people have good experiences with IBE’s Melanotan.
[quote]Heffernan wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Heywood Jablome wrote:
I actually semi-respect his knowledge and dedication to his craft, but he’s narcissistic and unable to see his own limitations.
Prescisely my thoughts…
Oh yeah…and the thing is that he’s the only one on this entire site that’s like that…you guys must be even more deluded than you first appear.
The absolute cheek of you guys…have you ever had a look at this site???
Wake up to yourselves.
[/quote]
no, he’s not the only one…but until recently…he was one of the loudest self promoting, self absorbed, self serving fellows…not the only one…but one of the most visible.
take his cock out of your mouth already!
[quote]juice20jd wrote:
Heffernan wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Heywood Jablome wrote:
I actually semi-respect his knowledge and dedication to his craft, but he’s narcissistic and unable to see his own limitations.
Prescisely my thoughts…
Oh yeah…and the thing is that he’s the only one on this entire site that’s like that…you guys must be even more deluded than you first appear.
The absolute cheek of you guys…have you ever had a look at this site???
Wake up to yourselves.
no, he’s not the only one…but until recently…he was one of the loudest self promoting, self absorbed, self serving fellows…not the only one…but one of the most visible.
take his cock out of your mouth already!
[/quote]
Good one…you must have gone to the rainjoke school of debating.
Not a thing to say except for you to make some pathetic school yard taunt…that says a lot more about you than about anything else.
What exactly do you think every other writer and contributor on this site is doing? I’m sure you must think that they all just send their cheques for articles straight to the most deserving charity? Pass on anything they make from their associated products and services onto the most deserving cause of the moment? Maybe he was loudest because he actually was contributing the most?
I’m sure you know it all though so I’ll just leave you to get on with things in whatever little fantasy world you live tough guy.
[quote]Heffernan wrote:
juice20jd wrote:
Heffernan wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Heywood Jablome wrote:
I actually semi-respect his knowledge and dedication to his craft, but he’s narcissistic and unable to see his own limitations.
Prescisely my thoughts…
Oh yeah…and the thing is that he’s the only one on this entire site that’s like that…you guys must be even more deluded than you first appear.
The absolute cheek of you guys…have you ever had a look at this site???
Wake up to yourselves.
no, he’s not the only one…but until recently…he was one of the loudest self promoting, self absorbed, self serving fellows…not the only one…but one of the most visible.
take his cock out of your mouth already!
Good one…you must have gone to the rainjoke school of debating.
Not a thing to say except for you to make some pathetic school yard taunt…that says a lot more about you than about anything else.
What exactly do you think every other writer and contributor on this site is doing? I’m sure you must think that they all just send their cheques for articles straight to the most deserving charity? Pass on anything they make from their associated products and services onto the most deserving cause of the moment? Maybe he was loudest because he actually was contributing the most?
I’m sure you know it all though so I’ll just leave you to get on with things in whatever little fantasy world you live tough guy.
[/quote]
not a school yard taunt…a fact. you’re only posts in this forum, are one’s where RJ and AR are bickering. You back AR every time like he is your best friend. You’re a nuthugger. period.
AR is a businessman. end of story. his contributions may be sincere, given to help others…but underlying all that…he is a businessman. you seem to be the one confused about the logistics of all this. and i didn’t flame him. i stated facts…and also mentioned that he was not the only one. you bypassed that entirely. just what are you trying to prove? because, you are accomplishing nothing here.
i won’t even bother getting intellectual with you…as it would prove pointless…dealing with inferior intellects annoys me to no end.
fantasy world? i highly doubt i live in one. i would think that i am one of the more reasonable, no nonsense, straight to the point, able to read between the lines, and somewhat open minded guys on here. i’m sure some of the vets could vouch for that. if i’m wrong, so what.
Tough guy? when have i ever tried to come across as such? there’s no point…this is the internet.
seems like you tend to gravitate more towards the school yard shit than you realize.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
OK Heffernan, I’d love to debate this issue with you. I’ll refrain from ‘school yard taunts’ as you put them, but I would love to know how you justify ARs behaviour. The way he constantly puts down others, pimps for sources, twists arguments, and NEVER admits the slightest possibility that he might be wrong. I have never seen ANY of the other authors (Berardi, Thib, Shugart, etc, etc, etc) behave in such a manner…[/quote]
I was trying to avoid debating AR here as it isn’t really the point of this thread.
But by all means start an ‘AR is an arsehole’ thread and I’d be happy to jump in…in fact I’d be equally able to argue both sides.
[quote]juice20jd wrote:
Heffernan wrote:
juice20jd wrote:
Heffernan wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Heywood Jablome wrote:
I actually semi-respect his knowledge and dedication to his craft, but he’s narcissistic and unable to see his own limitations.
Prescisely my thoughts…
Oh yeah…and the thing is that he’s the only one on this entire site that’s like that…you guys must be even more deluded than you first appear.
The absolute cheek of you guys…have you ever had a look at this site???
Wake up to yourselves.
no, he’s not the only one…but until recently…he was one of the loudest self promoting, self absorbed, self serving fellows…not the only one…but one of the most visible.
take his cock out of your mouth already!
Good one…you must have gone to the rainjoke school of debating.
Not a thing to say except for you to make some pathetic school yard taunt…that says a lot more about you than about anything else.
What exactly do you think every other writer and contributor on this site is doing? I’m sure you must think that they all just send their cheques for articles straight to the most deserving charity? Pass on anything they make from their associated products and services onto the most deserving cause of the moment? Maybe he was loudest because he actually was contributing the most?
I’m sure you know it all though so I’ll just leave you to get on with things in whatever little fantasy world you live tough guy.
not a school yard taunt…a fact. you’re only posts in this forum, are one’s where RJ and AR are bickering. You back AR every time like he is your best friend. You’re a nuthugger. period.
AR is a businessman. end of story. his contributions may be sincere, given to help others…but underlying all that…he is a businessman. you seem to be the one confused about the logistics of all this. and i didn’t flame him. i stated facts…and also mentioned that he was not the only one. you bypassed that entirely. just what are you trying to prove? because, you are accomplishing nothing here.
i won’t even bother getting intellectual with you…as it would prove pointless…dealing with inferior intellects annoys me to no end.
fantasy world? i highly doubt i live in one. i would think that i am one of the more reasonable, no nonsense, straight to the point, able to read between the lines, and somewhat open minded guys on here. i’m sure some of the vets could vouch for that. if i’m wrong, so what.
Tough guy? when have i ever tried to come across as such? there’s no point…this is the internet.
seems like you tend to gravitate more towards the school yard shit than you realize.
[/quote]
Fantastic…that response had everything that I’d hoped for from you.
Give yourself a golf clap.
Just recieved an order from them.
Got some clen and and some cialis.
Figured there prices were very competitive, and with those two products, I will know if they are working or not!
They taste like ass they suspend them with alcohol, instead of the tasty formula that AG uses. But for $30 savings per bottle I should be able to stomach a milliliter here and there.
I wouldn’t trust them to get peptides and leading edge stuff like I IGF, unless I got a lot of recommendations.
They got it to me in 3 days, and my dick is super hard right now, but that could be the 500 mg of test/weekly I’m using. (note to self: don’t test cialis while on test cycle)
[quote]Heffernan wrote:
juice20jd wrote:
Heffernan wrote:
juice20jd wrote:
Heffernan wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Heywood Jablome wrote:
I actually semi-respect his knowledge and dedication to his craft, but he’s narcissistic and unable to see his own limitations.
Prescisely my thoughts…
Oh yeah…and the thing is that he’s the only one on this entire site that’s like that…you guys must be even more deluded than you first appear.
The absolute cheek of you guys…have you ever had a look at this site???
Wake up to yourselves.
no, he’s not the only one…but until recently…he was one of the loudest self promoting, self absorbed, self serving fellows…not the only one…but one of the most visible.
take his cock out of your mouth already!
Good one…you must have gone to the rainjoke school of debating.
Not a thing to say except for you to make some pathetic school yard taunt…that says a lot more about you than about anything else.
What exactly do you think every other writer and contributor on this site is doing? I’m sure you must think that they all just send their cheques for articles straight to the most deserving charity? Pass on anything they make from their associated products and services onto the most deserving cause of the moment? Maybe he was loudest because he actually was contributing the most?
I’m sure you know it all though so I’ll just leave you to get on with things in whatever little fantasy world you live tough guy.
not a school yard taunt…a fact. you’re only posts in this forum, are one’s where RJ and AR are bickering. You back AR every time like he is your best friend. You’re a nuthugger. period.
AR is a businessman. end of story. his contributions may be sincere, given to help others…but underlying all that…he is a businessman. you seem to be the one confused about the logistics of all this. and i didn’t flame him. i stated facts…and also mentioned that he was not the only one. you bypassed that entirely. just what are you trying to prove? because, you are accomplishing nothing here.
i won’t even bother getting intellectual with you…as it would prove pointless…dealing with inferior intellects annoys me to no end.
fantasy world? i highly doubt i live in one. i would think that i am one of the more reasonable, no nonsense, straight to the point, able to read between the lines, and somewhat open minded guys on here. i’m sure some of the vets could vouch for that. if i’m wrong, so what.
Tough guy? when have i ever tried to come across as such? there’s no point…this is the internet.
seems like you tend to gravitate more towards the school yard shit than you realize.
Fantastic…that response had everything that I’d hoped for from you.
Give yourself a golf clap.
[/quote]
great response…everything i expected from an individual incapable of substantial rebuttal. generally, this type of cop out, brush off bullshit happens when someone like you is confronted by facts…after making generalized, incorrect assumptions and statements.you’re a a joke.
you must be sitting there in absolute glee because you have made myself and others waste their time on you…now give yourself a golf clap. hero.
[quote]juice20jd wrote:
Heffernan wrote:
juice20jd wrote:
Heffernan wrote:
juice20jd wrote:
Heffernan wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Heywood Jablome wrote:
I actually semi-respect his knowledge and dedication to his craft, but he’s narcissistic and unable to see his own limitations.
Prescisely my thoughts…
Oh yeah…and the thing is that he’s the only one on this entire site that’s like that…you guys must be even more deluded than you first appear.
The absolute cheek of you guys…have you ever had a look at this site???
Wake up to yourselves.
no, he’s not the only one…but until recently…he was one of the loudest self promoting, self absorbed, self serving fellows…not the only one…but one of the most visible.
take his cock out of your mouth already!
Good one…you must have gone to the rainjoke school of debating.
Not a thing to say except for you to make some pathetic school yard taunt…that says a lot more about you than about anything else.
What exactly do you think every other writer and contributor on this site is doing? I’m sure you must think that they all just send their cheques for articles straight to the most deserving charity? Pass on anything they make from their associated products and services onto the most deserving cause of the moment? Maybe he was loudest because he actually was contributing the most?
I’m sure you know it all though so I’ll just leave you to get on with things in whatever little fantasy world you live tough guy.
not a school yard taunt…a fact. you’re only posts in this forum, are one’s where RJ and AR are bickering. You back AR every time like he is your best friend. You’re a nuthugger. period.
AR is a businessman. end of story. his contributions may be sincere, given to help others…but underlying all that…he is a businessman. you seem to be the one confused about the logistics of all this. and i didn’t flame him. i stated facts…and also mentioned that he was not the only one. you bypassed that entirely. just what are you trying to prove? because, you are accomplishing nothing here.
i won’t even bother getting intellectual with you…as it would prove pointless…dealing with inferior intellects annoys me to no end.
fantasy world? i highly doubt i live in one. i would think that i am one of the more reasonable, no nonsense, straight to the point, able to read between the lines, and somewhat open minded guys on here. i’m sure some of the vets could vouch for that. if i’m wrong, so what.
Tough guy? when have i ever tried to come across as such? there’s no point…this is the internet.
seems like you tend to gravitate more towards the school yard shit than you realize.
Fantastic…that response had everything that I’d hoped for from you.
Give yourself a golf clap.
great response…everything i expected from an individual incapable of substantial rebuttal. generally, this type of cop out, brush off bullshit happens when someone like you is confronted by facts…after making generalized, incorrect assumptions and statements.you’re a a joke.
you must be sitting there in absolute glee because you have made myself and others waste their time on you…now give yourself a golf clap. hero.
[/quote]
Ahhh…actually no that is incorrect. I just wasn’t debating you because you’re an idiot not for any of the reasons that you’d assumed above.
Do you see the title of the thread? I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here as I like to think the most of people before presented with the least as you seem desperate to show.
This is not a thread about Anthony Roberts…what part of that do you not get?
Confronted by facts? That always makes me laugh out loud when somebody like you starts talking about ‘facts’…what facts exactly do you have…what do you actually know first hand? What piece of information and or documentation do you have in your possession…facts my arse. What I’d guess you are talking about is bits and pieces you’ve collected from your ‘internet’ life or stuff that your ‘good bros’ have passed onto you?
Facts…you say…wake up to yourself.
Feel free to list any ‘generalized, incorrect assumptions and statements’ that I have made or feel free just to shut the hell up.
[quote]Heffernan wrote:
juice20jd wrote:
Heffernan wrote:
juice20jd wrote:
Heffernan wrote:
juice20jd wrote:
Heffernan wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Heywood Jablome wrote:
I actually semi-respect his knowledge and dedication to his craft, but he’s narcissistic and unable to see his own limitations.
Prescisely my thoughts…
Oh yeah…and the thing is that he’s the only one on this entire site that’s like that…you guys must be even more deluded than you first appear.
The absolute cheek of you guys…have you ever had a look at this site???
Wake up to yourselves.
no, he’s not the only one…but until recently…he was one of the loudest self promoting, self absorbed, self serving fellows…not the only one…but one of the most visible.
take his cock out of your mouth already!
Good one…you must have gone to the rainjoke school of debating.
Not a thing to say except for you to make some pathetic school yard taunt…that says a lot more about you than about anything else.
What exactly do you think every other writer and contributor on this site is doing? I’m sure you must think that they all just send their cheques for articles straight to the most deserving charity? Pass on anything they make from their associated products and services onto the most deserving cause of the moment? Maybe he was loudest because he actually was contributing the most?
I’m sure you know it all though so I’ll just leave you to get on with things in whatever little fantasy world you live tough guy.
not a school yard taunt…a fact. you’re only posts in this forum, are one’s where RJ and AR are bickering. You back AR every time like he is your best friend. You’re a nuthugger. period.
AR is a businessman. end of story. his contributions may be sincere, given to help others…but underlying all that…he is a businessman. you seem to be the one confused about the logistics of all this. and i didn’t flame him. i stated facts…and also mentioned that he was not the only one. you bypassed that entirely. just what are you trying to prove? because, you are accomplishing nothing here.
i won’t even bother getting intellectual with you…as it would prove pointless…dealing with inferior intellects annoys me to no end.
fantasy world? i highly doubt i live in one. i would think that i am one of the more reasonable, no nonsense, straight to the point, able to read between the lines, and somewhat open minded guys on here. i’m sure some of the vets could vouch for that. if i’m wrong, so what.
Tough guy? when have i ever tried to come across as such? there’s no point…this is the internet.
seems like you tend to gravitate more towards the school yard shit than you realize.
Fantastic…that response had everything that I’d hoped for from you.
Give yourself a golf clap.
great response…everything i expected from an individual incapable of substantial rebuttal. generally, this type of cop out, brush off bullshit happens when someone like you is confronted by facts…after making generalized, incorrect assumptions and statements.you’re a a joke.
you must be sitting there in absolute glee because you have made myself and others waste their time on you…now give yourself a golf clap. hero.
Ahhh…actually no that is incorrect. I just wasn’t debating you because you’re an idiot not for any of the reasons that you’d assumed above.
Do you see the title of the thread? I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here as I like to think the most of people before presented with the least as you seem desperate to show.
This is not a thread about Anthony Roberts…what part of that do you not get?
Confronted by facts? That always makes me laugh out loud when somebody like you starts talking about ‘facts’…what facts exactly do you have…what do you actually know first hand? What piece of information and or documentation do you have in your possession…facts my arse. What I’d guess you are talking about is bits and pieces you’ve collected from your ‘internet’ life or stuff that your ‘good bros’ have passed onto you?
Facts…you say…wake up to yourself.
Feel free to list any ‘generalized, incorrect assumptions and statements’ that I have made or feel free just to shut the hell up.
[/quote]
scroll up through the quotes.
Fact: this mini conversation is about AR. what part don’t you get?
Fact: you hugged his balls, like you have in other threads, and got called on it. this is the fundamental piece of this whole little off topic argument.
Fact: you didn’t like getting called on it, and proceeded to say i went to the RJ school of debate…when in fact, there was no debating that you are an AR nuthugger/whore…you have made that plain as day.
Fact: you said it was a school yard taunt…while totally missing the message…and made a generalized assumption about my character, based on your inability to read between the lines. i admit it was delivered harshly. but so what.
Fact: you say he was the loudest because he contributed the most. while in reality, he contributed for reasons most educated people can see clearly. and as others have mentioned…his contributions were made with an approach which rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.
Fact: i know what the thread is supposed to be about. no matter which mini hijacks have occurred…which you yourself have been a part of.
Fact: you called me a know it all, tough guy, who lives in a fantasy world…based on what?! your limited, self righteous and biased insights?! over one little comment…which was directed at you…and can only be assumed as truth based on your behaviour and love of all things tony roberts…
Fact: you make a generalized assumption that i am referring to the IBE rumours, first hand experiences, and third party information that is circulating when i used the word fact in an earlier post…looks like some more time sharpening your reading and comprehension skills are in order.
the above items are the FACTS. the above are facts of the mini conversation, which i have firsthand knowledge of…and i’m quite sure these facts could have been mentioned by a number of people. the above items are the generalized oversights and assumptions you made.
please enlighten me as to how i am misunderstanding or misrepresenting the facts. i’d love to hear your reasoning.
ahhhhh…but wait. you yourself seem to have gone to the AR school of debate…which means, while intelligent and knowledgeable…you will continuously avoid, re-direct, and divert attention away from any situation in which you are challenged and the person challenging you may have a valid point.
take your best shot…please.
disclaimer
this is actually a retarded little argument not really worth time or effort…but juice20jd is bored and needs amusement. i have no personal, vested interest in IBE, Chemone, Ag-guys, or any other research chem company.
i have no ill will towards anthony roberts, rainjack or any other individual who spends time on these boards and has a business which can be aided by being visible on the boards. blah blah blah blah blah. the end.
[quote]juice20jd wrote:
scroll up through the quotes.
Fact: this mini conversation is about AR. what part don’t you get?
Fact: you hugged his balls, like you have in other threads, and got called on it. this is the fundamental piece of this whole little off topic argument.
Fact: you didn’t like getting called on it, and proceeded to say i went to the RJ school of debate…when in fact, there was no debating that you are an AR nuthugger/whore…you have made that plain as day.
Fact: you said it was a school yard taunt…while totally missing the message…and made a generalized assumption about my character, based on your inability to read between the lines. i admit it was delivered harshly. but so what.
Fact: you say he was the loudest because he contributed the most. while in reality, he contributed for reasons most educated people can see clearly. and as others have mentioned…his contributions were made with an approach which rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.
Fact: i know what the thread is supposed to be about. no matter which mini hijacks have occurred…which you yourself have been a part of.
Fact: you called me a know it all, tough guy, who lives in a fantasy world…based on what?! your limited, self righteous and biased insights?! over one little comment…which was directed at you…and can only be assumed as truth based on your behaviour and love of all things tony roberts…
Fact: you make a generalized assumption that i am referring to the IBE rumours, first hand experiences, and third party information that is circulating when i used the word fact in an earlier post…looks like some more time sharpening your reading and comprehension skills are in order.
the above items are the FACTS. the above are facts of the mini conversation, which i have firsthand knowledge of…and i’m quite sure these facts could have been mentioned by a number of people. the above items are the generalized oversights and assumptions you made.
please enlighten me as to how i am misunderstanding or misrepresenting the facts. i’d love to hear your reasoning.
ahhhhh…but wait. you yourself seem to have gone to the AR school of debate…which means, while intelligent and knowledgeable…you will continuously avoid, re-direct, and divert attention away from any situation in which you are challenged and the person challenging you may have a valid point.
take your best shot…please.
disclaimer
this is actually a retarded little argument not really worth time or effort…but juice20jd is bored and needs amusement. i have no personal, vested interest in IBE, Chemone, Ag-guys, or any other research chem company.
i have no ill will towards anthony roberts, rainjack or any other individual who spends time on these boards and has a business which can be aided by being visible on the boards. blah blah blah blah blah. the end.[/quote]
Bring back Rainjoke…please…you’re just embarrassing yourself now…and that’s a fact.
exactly what i expected…what a poser. you truly are a mental midget.
done with you now. buh bye.