yea rudist, i had made out my money order during the sale, but i waited too long to mail it, so i gotta get a new one.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
You maybe smart, but you are a chicken shit little liar that people see through from a mile away.
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If this is something you wish to pursue proving, once again I would like to invite you to the Texas Test Fest.
We’ll see how all of this keyboard courage fares in person.
You’re calling alot of names and making alot of accusations, and since I’ll be in your neck of the woods anyway, I’d like to invite you to make those accusations and call me those names in person.
[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
If this is something you wish to pursue proving, once again I would like to invite you to the Texas Test Fest.[/quote]
I don’t have to prove anything. You have proven yourself to be the liar. I think IBE caught you in about 5 yesterday. Nope - the liar label has already been proven, so there is little more I need to do to prove this.
Oh…wait…this is you attempting to settle this like “men”, huh? In that case tell me when and where.
You have called just as many names and made just as many accusations about me. Except - you have been taken to task right here in the forums about your accusations. And you have been proven to be the liar I called you. You are a liar, a megalomaniac, and a money whore.
But if you need to read lips to be able to understand that I stand by what I say - then bring it on.
I am afraid I will have to withdraw my offer to sip bourbon with you. You see, in Texas, we have a code where it is perfectly acceptable to drink with your enemy, but it is unacceptable to drink with a known liar.
Wow guys, you all need to settle down…go beat off in the shower or something. Seriously.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
I don’t have to prove anything. You have proven yourself to be the liar. I think IBE caught you in about 5 yesterday. Nope - the liar label has already been proven, so there is little more I need to do to prove this.
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I can’t even fathom what logic led you to say that I’ve been proven to be a liar.
You constantly say or imply “what does a writer know about…” and “what does a rugby player know about” or “why should anyone listen to…” and when I provide credentials, you say I’m gloating.
I know that you think, in your world, this makes sense- but it makes none in reality.
In the end, the truth is that you work for a company that I refused to work for, and I think that should speak volumes about who is in what for the money.
In fact, as I would have received a portion of advertising from IBE, had they been allowed to stay on M&M, I’ve actually turned down $ from two of the companies in this thread.
Yes…I turned down money from both IBE and ChemOne. I don’t want to be associated with either company and ergo I turned down their money.
I turned down money and employment from a company you agreed to work for.
You, on the other hand, are a member of boards where I am paid to write, and you read and comment on every article that I produce. You’ve even re-posted one on another board (a Meso article) I believe (if not you, then someone else has).
So remember, with regards to credibility, you read my work not the other way around, and you hang out on sites that produce that work.
I, on the other hand, turned down money from the company that employs you and want nothing to do with them or you.
See the difference?
Sucks, huh?
How many times can you say the same shit? I know - you are a great rugby player. What is it? top 14 in the senior class or some shit? Kudos.
You have still yet to explain how that makes your opinions on AAS anymore relevant than a professional bullrider.
Jose Canseco was an elite level pro baseball player. Does that make him a default expert on AAS?
Lyle Alzado was an all-pro football player. Was he an expert on AAS?
I guess you could list just about every East German on their women’s swim teams in the 70’s and 80’s. Does that make them defacto AAS experts?
You know about AAS because you read and write about them - and use them. I have never challenged your knowledge. Never.
I have however challenged why you think being a writer and being a rugby player have a damn thing to do with AAS, or why you think being either of those two things makes you more credible.
You have been caught in several lies, or when asked to prove your point - you use opinion and other subjective means to ‘defend’ yourself. IBE schooled you like a third grader, and you have yet to even attempt a reply to him as of this posting. I guess you only try and pick on the ones you think are inferior?
You don’t scare me. Your words are comical.
What must really suck is being as important as you fashion yourself to be, and not know that you are becoming more and more of a joke on this site, if not the entire internet.
I am not an active member on any board you are on - except T-Nation.
Hell - if I can get you so pissed that you call names and issue very thinly veiled threats, you must have issues that run way deeper than just being an AAS expert.
[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
rainjack wrote:
I don’t have to prove anything. You have proven yourself to be the liar. I think IBE caught you in about 5 yesterday. Nope - the liar label has already been proven, so there is little more I need to do to prove this.
I can’t even fathom what logic led you to say that I’ve been proven to be a liar.
You constantly say or imply “what does a writer know about…” and “what does a rugby player know about” or “why should anyone listen to…” and when I provide credentials, you say I’m gloating.
I know that you think, in your world, this makes sense- but it makes none in reality.
In the end, the truth is that you work for a company that I refused to work for, and I think that should speak volumes about who is in what for the money.
In fact, as I would have received a portion of advertising from IBE, had they been allowed to stay on M&M, I’ve actually turned down $ from two of the companies in this thread.
Yes…I turned down money from both IBE and ChemOne. I don’t want to be associated with either company and ergo I turned down their money.
I turned down money and employment from a company you agreed to work for.
You, on the other hand, are a member of boards where I am paid to write, and you read and comment on every article that I produce. You’ve even re-posted one on another board (a Meso article) I believe (if not you, then someone else has).
So remember, with regards to credibility, you read my work not the other way around, and you hang out on sites that produce that work.
I, on the other hand, turned down money from the company that employs you and want nothing to do with them or you.
See the difference?
Sucks, huh?
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What sucks here is your pathetic lies…I never presented myself to your supposed company you own. I was contacted by Justin with an offer to put my banner on your supposed site. But, if it was your company/board and I was coming to you offering you employment, then why did you have to contact admin [real owner] to pull us down?
Just because you wrote an AAS book does not qualify you as some super scientist and especially in ADVANCED areas of scientific development…again don’t call out people openly if you are not ready to back your commentary up. Why don’t you take your ultimate knowledge and develop some innovative products yourself instead of hiding behind words you wrote in some book and a copy cat ancillary company. I know why, because you can’t you are not smart enough.
[quote]IBE wrote:
Just because you wrote an AAS book does not qualify you as some super scientist and especially in ADVANCED areas of scientific development…again don’t call out people openly if you are not ready to back your commentary up. Why don’t you take your ultimate knowledge and develop some innovative products yourself instead of hiding behind words you wrote in some book and a copy cat ancillary company. I know why, because you can’t you are not smart enough.
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You got me. What keen insight.
Actually, I was offered the opportunity to help with research and development of supplements by a nutritional company, and I turned it down.
I’m not interested in developing products in the chemical or nutritional field.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Oh…wait…this is you attempting to settle this like “men”, huh? In that case tell me when and where.
But if you need to read lips to be able to understand that I stand by what I say - then bring it on.
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See you at the Texas Test Fest.
[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Anthony Roberts wrote:
That’s what I figured, knowing you’re an accountant or whatever…
Kinda like you being a writer or whatever…?
Exactly. I’m a writer who writes about performance enhancement. But I’m also a coach of a first division rugby team and an elite level player.
So…you know …I probably know something about enhancing performance.
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They have elite levels in Rugby??? Where?
[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Oh…wait…this is you attempting to settle this like “men”, huh? In that case tell me when and where.
But if you need to read lips to be able to understand that I stand by what I say - then bring it on.
See you at the Texas Test Fest. [/quote]
Hmmm…
Note to TC and Shugs:
This might be a great way to sell Texas Test Fest tickets. Shit, I might even come all the way from PA to see this fight/argument.
Furthermore, If anyone still cares I have used IBE’s nolva and it certainly did the job for my PCT.
[quote]Viking69 wrote:
They have elite levels in Rugby??? Where?
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New Zealand- thats where I played. But I played in the first division and all-star level here in the USA too.
In any case, to IBE and LMR and people who question the market share ideas I brought up in this thread, and also I invite anyone who’s playing at home to do the following:
Google: “Anabolic Steroids” and “forum” or “message board” or whatever.
None of the hits you get on the first page is any message board associated with IBE. All of those boards are associated with Lion or AG.
When you add in google “research chems” + “anabolic steroids”- you will finally find a board that IBE sponsors on the first page- although well out of the top 5 hits (the top 5 all being boards I write for).
I think that ought to put an end to talk of market share and who has what.
It should also speak volumes about IBE’s and LMR’s stated idea of not sponsoring places to simply run their own board- a ploy that doesn’t seem to be working. But hell we know I could be wrong…maybe google is wrong also.
Belive me, IBE is not an issue to the big companies- I just feel compelled to say that their product (the oral IGF specifically) is shoddy. Their customer service is even worse.
It’s been fun.
Google means dick. It’s all about how much you pay to get a google listing, and how effective you are at picking keywords to list under.
You are playing in my end of the pool now, hooker. Grab your floaties and paddle back to the rugby end.
man am i sorry for starting this thread.
[quote]Split wrote:
man am i sorry for starting this thread.[/quote]
I should be the one apologizing to you for showing my ass in a thread that was just asking for a little help.
I played into hooker’s hand, and allowed this thread to devolve into a dick wagging contest.
My apologies.
Kick his ass C-bass.
[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
Viking69 wrote:
They have elite levels in Rugby??? Where?
New Zealand- thats where I played. But I played in the first division and all-star level here in the USA too.
In any case, to IBE and LMR and people who question the market share ideas I brought up in this thread, and also I invite anyone who’s playing at home to do the following:
Google: “Anabolic Steroids” and “forum” or “message board” or whatever.
None of the hits you get on the first page is any message board associated with IBE. All of those boards are associated with Lion or AG.
When you add in google “research chems” + “anabolic steroids”- you will finally find a board that IBE sponsors on the first page- although well out of the top 5 hits (the top 5 all being boards I write for).
I think that ought to put an end to talk of market share and who has what.
It should also speak volumes about IBE’s and LMR’s stated idea of not sponsoring places to simply run their own board- a ploy that doesn’t seem to be working. But hell we know I could be wrong…maybe google is wrong also.
Belive me, IBE is not an issue to the big companies- I just feel compelled to say that their product (the oral IGF specifically) is shoddy. Their customer service is even worse.
It’s been fun. [/quote]
Boy you went from ridiculous to just plain retarded. Man, I asked you to google vector virus delivery and IGF not what company is listed first for research chems. I guess this settles it…you are just not smart enough to combat me scientifically, that is why you are pussying your way out of the challenge by failing attepts to change the subject.
Let me make it a little easier for you…here are some links for you to play around with.
http://www.ibms.org/index.cfm?method=science.general_science&subpage=general_gene_therapy
Now, I have given enough clues as to how it is possible to create an effective oral form of IGF-1, so it is up to you to prove yourself intellectually and give a response other than…my boy’s research chem site is on bigger boards and has more statistical data than yours…have you even looked at our statistics in gross sales…its not half bad considering we are not on elitefitness, meso, steroid.com, etc…not bad pulling $900,000+ gross sales with a natural disaster (Hurricane Katrina) putting a damper on things for several months for us.
I will leave it at that until you decide to be man enough to have a scientific dialog about my products…
Would be interested to know which team Mr. Roberts played for in NZ. “Elite” level would be NPC 1 or Super 12/14. From what I understand he played club rugby up East Coast way possibly Div 3 NPC. Correct me if I am wrong.
I also understand that he is most probably writing under assumed name but would like a couple of clues.
Very interesting arguments though.
Hoping that the argument can be allowed to continue online without people being edited or cautioned to tone down.
Bring on round 2 ding ding. Keep it clean(ish).
[quote]Natelock wrote:
Would be interested to know which team Mr. Roberts played for in NZ. “Elite” level would be NPC 1 or Super 12/14. From what I understand he played club rugby up East Coast way possibly Div 3 NPC. Correct me if I am wrong.
I also understand that he is most probably writing under assumed name but would like a couple of clues.
Very interesting arguments though.
Hoping that the argument can be allowed to continue online without people being edited or cautioned to tone down.
Bring on round 2 ding ding. Keep it clean(ish). [/quote]
I played elite level here (in the ITT’s, and for both my Union and obviously my territory, the former at the collegiate and mens club level, the latter at the collegiate level only)- a level that made me one of 14 players to make it each year, and one of less than ten to repeat and make it the next year. I am not certain, but I believe I was also the only player from my union to get territorial honors in a decade. And one of the only ones EVER to play both loose and tight forward in a national all star game.
This was in the USA, but I also played first division in NZ, on a senior first side, until the hooker in the second senior side was injured for the season, and I dropped down. The level above me was premier and basically had quite a few professionals and NPC players. I was only in NZ for a season of rugby.
However, I was the only Yank I ever saw playing at that level in NZ, and nobody I know of has really ever heard of an American playing Senior First Grade in NZ.
That puts me on a certain plane, I think, but numerically, I suppose you can discern that it’s more accurate to say that I played at an elite level in the USA, and at a top Club level (just before professional in many cases) in New Zealand.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Google means dick. It’s all about how much you pay to get a google listing, and how effective you are at picking keywords to list under.
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To verify my claims on market share-
Anyone here who wishes to can look up the companies being discussed and the sites being discussed and check which ones get the most hits. Use google, Alexa, whatever- and you’ll see that IBE has a very small market share compared to the two that make up the bulk of the market.