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i can not believe where you pull your information from. honestly you’re grabbing at wishful thinking just like your book.

book sucks man. dont throw rocks from a glass house. you dont know anyones stats only what you assume and think. you looked at AG or lions books? seen ibe’s books? that’s what i mean. you throwing around stats is like guessing how much water is lake michigan.

you know how much money ibe pulls in? if we’re nothing we wouldnt have such a product line.

i swear to god for someone that has nothing to do with bodybuilding, chemistry, or real sports you talk a lot of shit man.

you writing a book makes me think of a serial murderer writing a kids book or something while in jail.

bring the facts brotha. i dont see one fact that pushes you along here. ibe doesn’t play follow the leader we lead.

thanks for the advertisement though. all this arguing just jumped our sales. so thank you mr. roberts

my forum is still open to you

http://www.ibeforums.com/portal

[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
Viking69 wrote:
They have elite levels in Rugby??? Where?

New Zealand- thats where I played. But I played in the first division and all-star level here in the USA too.

In any case, to IBE and LMR and people who question the market share ideas I brought up in this thread, and also I invite anyone who’s playing at home to do the following:

Google: “Anabolic Steroids” and “forum” or “message board” or whatever.

None of the hits you get on the first page is any message board associated with IBE. All of those boards are associated with Lion or AG.

When you add in google “research chems” + “anabolic steroids”- you will finally find a board that IBE sponsors on the first page- although well out of the top 5 hits (the top 5 all being boards I write for).

I think that ought to put an end to talk of market share and who has what.
It should also speak volumes about IBE’s and LMR’s stated idea of not sponsoring places to simply run their own board- a ploy that doesn’t seem to be working. But hell we know I could be wrong…maybe google is wrong also.

Belive me, IBE is not an issue to the big companies- I just feel compelled to say that their product (the oral IGF specifically) is shoddy. Their customer service is even worse.

It’s been fun. [/quote]

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Sorry for this hijack to your thread Split and also the distraction from the main argument.

I definately don’t mean to demean or belittle your achievements in Rugby but I don’t think that you can claim to have played elite level rugby. You can claim to have played rep rugby in the states though.

As stated in future you would be better understood by stating in future that you played “senior 1 club rugby” in New Zealand. By stating that you played first division everyone would believe that you played NPC 1.

I have met a couple of Americans that played rugby at that grade last year as well but again that is off the point.

Your experience in American Rugby is no doubt impressive but it must be looked at in terms of world rugby. I don’t think that America has many Elite rugby athletes (maybe some or all of the eagles??) even the Eagles would struggle to beat a clubs premier side in New Zealand. Just a difference in opinion on the title of “Elite level”.

For me it is like New Zealands Ice Hockey team players considering themselves elite. Or the Jamaican Bobsled team.

I play in Italy Professionally but do not at all consider myself Elite.

I sincerely thank you for your excellant contribution to the nation and your dedication to learning, experimenting and teaching us all about Steroids and the like.

I am sure that you can understand the concerns raised.

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[quote]Natelock wrote:
Sorry for this hijack to your thread Split and also the distraction from the main argument.

I definately don’t mean to demean or belittle your achievements in Rugby but I don’t think that you can claim to have played elite level rugby. You can claim to have played rep rugby in the states though.

As stated in future you would be better understood by stating in future that you played “senior 1 club rugby” in New Zealand. By stating that you played first division everyone would believe that you played NPC 1.

I have met a couple of Americans that played rugby at that grade last year as well but again that is off the point.

Your experience in American Rugby is no doubt impressive but it must be looked at in terms of world rugby. I don’t think that America has many Elite rugby athletes (maybe some or all of the eagles??) even the Eagles would struggle to beat a clubs premier side in New Zealand. Just a difference in opinion on the title of “Elite level”.

For me it is like New Zealands Ice Hockey team players considering themselves elite. Or the Jamaican Bobsled team.

I play in Italy Professionally but do not at all consider myself Elite.

I sincerely thank you for your excellant contribution to the nation and your dedication to learning, experimenting and teaching us all about Steroids and the like.

I am sure that you can understand the concerns raised.

[/quote]

See…First Division in the USA juse means first division, nothing more…not first division representative (As the NPC would be). Or, in Yank terms “All Star” which if you note, I only ever say I played All Star ball here in the USA.

The American equivalent to the NPC is the ITT. Which I played in, for 2 years running. So by your defiinition, I still played at an elite level, albeit in a different country than NZ.

I understand what you are saying though…

With respect to those (valid) concerns, consider the fact that you and I are speaking a different language than 99% of the readership here.

I usually try to put things in terms that the largely American readership can relate to, since they aren’t familiar with rugby terms. “Representitive level” means nothing to our American readership, and first division doesn’t mean “All Star” or “rep Level” (As the NPC would be)…understand that I’m putting a bit of a “Rugby to Yank” translation in my posts, in respect of our readership, and what I hope them to understand from what I’m saying.

However, playing in the ITTs, and being in a group of 14 (or less) players to achieve that certain honor for my position and age (well, not age, but collegiate-level), in the USA, for rugby- is still an elite level in most people’s eyes.

Unfortunately, when I came home from NZ, I injured myself in Rep-level tryouts for my Union (made the team, but had to stay on the development side for our tour).

So an “Elite” future, by your standards still isn’t out of the question, if I rehab this F-ing knee.

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[quote]LuvMuhRoids wrote:

book sucks man. dont throw rocks from a glass house. you dont know anyones stats only what you assume and think. you looked at AG or lions books? seen ibe’s books? that’s what i mean. you throwing around stats is like guessing how much water is lake michigan.

you know how much money ibe pulls in? if we’re nothing we wouldnt have such a product line.

http://www.ibeforums.com/portal

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I can go to various engines that track hits, and easily see that there is no way that IBE can pull in a tenth of the money that AG and Lion do. I mean…it’s statistically highly improbable. You can check for yourself.

And I haven’t seen any of their books, no. But I know (ballpark) what they make, because I know them and the people they advertise with.

Based on what I they have said to me that they earn, estimated number of indivdual people on all of the AAS boards, and finally based on hits those chem sites get vs/ IBE, I can pretty easily come up with market share estimates that I think are very reliable. I think that’s a very reasonable way to go about things.

As for Joining your site, I don’t think I need to. You’re a member here, and can speak to me privately via PM here if you wish. My e-mail option is also enabled.

Typically, I find it to be more worth my time to post and talk with as many people as possible. So I tend to stick to bigger boards (50-100k members is what I prefer). It makes more sense, if you think about it, in terms of effort expended vs/ results. One post here, on S.com, or elite reaches tens of thousands of hits, daily. If I want to talk to a hundred thousand people, I’ll hang out here or on Elite. Which I do.

If I wanted to talk to one or two thousand people, well…shit…I live in a decent sized city…I guess if I wanted to talk to a couple thousand people, I could always just yell out the window and probably reach as many people as you have members on your site.

Thanks anyway though.

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^^^^bump for a response from Anthony Roberts…this post was in mod review for several days and I believe it may get overlooked…

[quote]IBE wrote:
Anthony Roberts wrote:
Viking69 wrote:
They have elite levels in Rugby??? Where?

New Zealand- thats where I played. But I played in the first division and all-star level here in the USA too.

In any case, to IBE and LMR and people who question the market share ideas I brought up in this thread, and also I invite anyone who’s playing at home to do the following:

Google: “Anabolic Steroids” and “forum” or “message board” or whatever.

None of the hits you get on the first page is any message board associated with IBE. All of those boards are associated with Lion or AG.

When you add in google “research chems” + “anabolic steroids”- you will finally find a board that IBE sponsors on the first page- although well out of the top 5 hits (the top 5 all being boards I write for).

I think that ought to put an end to talk of market share and who has what.
It should also speak volumes about IBE’s and LMR’s stated idea of not sponsoring places to simply run their own board- a ploy that doesn’t seem to be working. But hell we know I could be wrong…maybe google is wrong also.

Belive me, IBE is not an issue to the big companies- I just feel compelled to say that their product (the oral IGF specifically) is shoddy. Their customer service is even worse.

It’s been fun. [/quote]

Boy you went from ridiculous to just plain retarded. Man, I asked you to google vector virus delivery and IGF not what company is listed first for research chems. I guess this settles it…you are just not smart enough to combat me scientifically, that is why you are pussying your way out of the challenge by failing attepts to change the subject.

Let me make it a little easier for you…here are some links for you to play around with.

http://www.ibms.org/index.cfm?method=science.general_science&subpage=general_gene_therapy

http://www.pharmainfo.net/exclusive/reviews/advanced_insulin_delivery_systems:present_trends_and_future_directions/8/

Now, I have given enough clues as to how it is possible to create an effective oral form of IGF-1, so it is up to you to prove yourself intellectually and give a response other than…my boy’s research chem site is on bigger boards and has more statistical data than yours…have you even looked at our statistics in gross sales…its not half bad considering we are not on elitefitness, meso, steroid.com, etc…not bad pulling $900,000+ gross sales with a natural disaster (Hurricane Katrina) putting a damper on things for several months for us.

I will leave it at that until you decide to be man enough to have a scientific dialog about my products…

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[quote]IBE wrote:
^^^^bump for a response from Anthony Roberts…this post was in mod review for several days and I believe it may get overlooked…

IBE wrote:
Anthony Roberts wrote:
Viking69 wrote:
They have elite levels in Rugby??? Where?

New Zealand- thats where I played. But I played in the first division and all-star level here in the USA too.

In any case, to IBE and LMR and people who question the market share ideas I brought up in this thread, and also I invite anyone who’s playing at home to do the following:

Google: “Anabolic Steroids” and “forum” or “message board” or whatever.

None of the hits you get on the first page is any message board associated with IBE. All of those boards are associated with Lion or AG.

When you add in google “research chems” + “anabolic steroids”- you will finally find a board that IBE sponsors on the first page- although well out of the top 5 hits (the top 5 all being boards I write for).

I think that ought to put an end to talk of market share and who has what.
It should also speak volumes about IBE’s and LMR’s stated idea of not sponsoring places to simply run their own board- a ploy that doesn’t seem to be working. But hell we know I could be wrong…maybe google is wrong also.

Belive me, IBE is not an issue to the big companies- I just feel compelled to say that their product (the oral IGF specifically) is shoddy. Their customer service is even worse.

It’s been fun.

Boy you went from ridiculous to just plain retarded. Man, I asked you to google vector virus delivery and IGF not what company is listed first for research chems. I guess this settles it…you are just not smart enough to combat me scientifically, that is why you are pussying your way out of the challenge by failing attepts to change the subject.

Let me make it a little easier for you…here are some links for you to play around with.

http://www.ibms.org/index.cfm?method=science.general_science&subpage=general_gene_therapy

http://www.pharmainfo.net/exclusive/reviews/advanced_insulin_delivery_systems:present_trends_and_future_directions/8/

Now, I have given enough clues as to how it is possible to create an effective oral form of IGF-1, so it is up to you to prove yourself intellectually and give a response other than…my boy’s research chem site is on bigger boards and has more statistical data than yours…have you even looked at our statistics in gross sales…its not half bad considering we are not on elitefitness, meso, steroid.com, etc…not bad pulling $900,000+ gross sales with a natural disaster (Hurricane Katrina) putting a damper on things for several months for us.

I will leave it at that until you decide to be man enough to have a scientific dialog about my products…

[/quote]

I dont think he is interested.after all, he doesnt have to answer shit.He is the great AR.

Oh,and AR, elite level is Olympic or major national team.Or else, there would be thousands or millions of elite athletes all over the world

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[quote]mimo wrote:
Oh,and AR, elite level is Olympic or major national team.Or else, there would be thousands or millions of elite athletes all over the world
[/quote]

You should PM Dave Tate, Eric Cressey, and basically everyone else here who contributes. Because they have reached elite level in Powerlifting, as it says in their Bio’s, and in some cases weren’t top 10-15 for their lift of their weight class; I was top 14 in the country, for collegiate ballplayers at my position.

SO…none of us are elite, according to the various internet pundits in the steroid forum.

Many sleepless nights will follow those PMs, I’m certain.

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[quote]IBE wrote:
^^^^bump for a response from Anthony Roberts…this post was in mod review for several days and I believe it may get overlooked…

I will leave it at that until you decide to be man enough to have a scientific dialog about my products…

[/quote]

I’ve made my case, and although you seem to have limitless time to…err…whatever it is that you do here on the internet…I’m extremely busy and slightly more apathetic than I am busy.

But I’ll check out the links in a couple weeks when I have some kind of time to waste. I don’t want anyone to think that I’m dodging the question, but honestly don’t have the time to look stuff up and do additional research, in order to validate myself.

And yes, I was also very busy last week. I had an international level coach to entertain here in the area, and then the Tate/DeFranco thing to attend (contend with).

They gave A great seminar, if anyone’s interested.

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Here’s a thread on another Board concerning one customer’s experience with both their board as well as their customer service:

"Purchased some research chems for the first time about a month ago online, i was going to go with AR-R as i use these forums alot but a freind refered me to another company online…worst customer service ever…

Purchased the Chems on the 29th of July…

First post 9 days after the order - Delivery stated 3-5 days

Quote:
I placed my order of letro, clen, and 2x nolva/clomid on the 29th of july - still havent recived. Also iv read a number of posts saying peoples clen is not working, what about if then clen i get does not work not to mention the order being late ! - I do not want to judge I.B.E just yet untill iv tried the products but i am begaining to get a little weary due to the late shipping and claims about clen - Allthough i was refered to your company in confidence - didnt just find it out of luck

There Admin wrote :

Quote:
I have you as being shipped,The issue with the clen should be resolved.If you would like i can send a couple of research chems due to the delay.We have great products do not be detered from the delay.

I wrote on the 7th of August :

Quote:
Yeah a couple bottles of TAMOXIFEN/CLOMIPHENEICITRATE would be great, when should i expect them to arrive ?

9th of August…SOME of my chems came…I wrote…

Quote:
Also my chems have been deliverd to my freinds house, im about to go round and see them in a hour but only 3 bottles have come there should be 4;

i ordered a bottle of Letro, bottle of Clenbuterol and 2x nolva/clomid

This is the second problem iv had now, the first late shipping, when i go round and find out whats missing, when will you send the product you forgot ? Can you please send it ASAP and also tell me when you are sending the two bottles of Nolva/Clomid combo due to the delay ?

  • Went round to freinds to find my Letro was missing - the most important part of my order.

Quote:
My bottle of letros missing…after my order was allready late ! When will i recive my bottle of letro i paid for, i want it sending ASAP as it was the most important chem in my order due to gyno problems, also when will my two free bottles of Tamoxifen/Clomid combo come ?

Once again please get my letro and other chems out ASAP as the letro was the main thing i needed out of all of the order

9th of august there Admin wrote :

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Calm down bro. You will receive your letro,we had a backorder issue and now it is resolved.And i will ship out those products for free to you.

August 15th…

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STILL aint got my letro and the other 2 bottles of tamoxifen/clomid combo…

There admin :

Quote:
I’ll see what I can do bro

Quote:
What is your addy,i dont know why you have not received yet.

20th of August…i wrote…

Quote:
10 days after that post…STILL aint got it

23 days after Order…STILL havent got my Letro or 2 complimentary bottles of Nolva/Clomid Combo for the origanal order being LATE with NO letro…

Im begining to get annoyed with I.B.E as its starting to feel like there taking the piss a little as im sure everyone would agree in my cercumstances…will my stuff ever come ?

I dont care what anyone else on the board says, after 23 days of ordering i still aint got my Original complete order with the Letro…PART of my order that did come was substancialy LATE, I.B.E said i would be compensated on the 6th of august…

14 days later - (2 weeks is a long time to ship a normal order never mind the other part of a missing one !! In my opinion LATE or MISSING orders should be prioratized higher than normal ones !) - STILL nothing !!!

I needed my Letro ASAP - what a jokes thats been, iv never heard of people having these problems with AR-R !!

Very Unhappy I.B.E, A question for the Mods or anyone else for that matter…

Do you guys feel this is good or even acceptable customer service ?"

Now, lets be clear, I make 0 dollars off AR-R, ok? But this is a post on the board where AR-R is located. Anyway, thats my last contribution to this thread for awhile.

STILL havent recived my stuff…Well pissed off !!!

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Delt with them many times so have my friends. Had a delay 1 time and ended up with easily like 3x’s what was owed in free products. They have a forum, go check it out. They also have a customer service section on the anabolicminds.board, btw there was a decent number of comlaints awhile back wich. Lately no problems form what I’ve seen. However when they have a sale things do move slow. Then again instead of getting your product for say $30 bucks less then AG or Lions rippoff prices it’s more like $60 less.

BTW, aside from AR’s catty remarks about not liking some of the products, I’ve never seen any evidence there product isn’t legit. Including their clen.

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what team?