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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Anthony Roberts wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Anthony Roberts wrote:
That’s what I figured, knowing you’re an accountant or whatever…

Kinda like you being a writer or whatever…?

Exactly. I’m a writer who writes about performance enhancement. But I’m also a coach of a first division rugby team and an elite level player.

So…you know …I probably know something about enhancing performance.

Good for you - you are a Rugby guy as well. Still not sure what that has to do with Research chems, but evidently it means something to you.

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It means I know about enhancing performance, and the drugs involved.

You see…posting on internet steroid discussion boards gives you the same credibility as about 250,000 other people who do the same. Being a mod or vet narrows that down to making you as credible as about 25k other people who are mods and vets- when it comes to knowing about performance enhancing chemicals.

Having authored a book on steroids and performance enhancing drugs- makes me one out of a hundred. Being an elite athlete and having authored such a book-

Puts me in my own class.

None of the other current steroid authors are or have ever been elite level athletes.

Being thye accountant for a research chem company…well…

I wouldn’t go to the accountant at my local auto dealership and ask his opinion on cars.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
I don’t think IBE sells oral IGF anymore. They are a decent company. They sell solutions, not suspensions - and they have spotty customer service.

I would recommend them anytime, all the time, over AG-Guys who are criminally over-priced.

My choice would be ChemOne, but we are not ready to ship to Canada just yet. We are experiencing huge growing pains after only three weeks in business.

Second choice is IBE.

For hooker - I am now affiliated with ChemOne. I have not recieved any finacnial compensation for my involvement - but I expect to very soon.

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I would never use ChemOne, nor would I reccomend anyone does. Sorry. I like the owner, but thay are too new and have no proven track record yet.

I would order from a proven UG first, or a proven Research Chem company.

[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
I would never use ChemOne, nor would I reccomend anyone does. Sorry. I like the owner, but thay are too new and have no proven track record yet.

I would order from a proven UG first, or a proven Research Chem company.
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I would never go to a Rugby player and ask him about research chem companies either.

Thanks, but I doubt we would sell to you even if you did want to buy from us.

Nothing personal, I would just rather eat dog shit than know I put a single dollar in my pocket that came from someone such as you. And I mean that in the nicest way possible.

ChemOne doesn’t need your money, or your endorsement. In fact, the more you bash us - the better we seem to do.

[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
You see…posting on internet steroid discussion boards gives you the same credibility as about 250,000 other people who do the same. Being a mod or vet narrows that down to making you as credible as about 25k other people who are mods and vets- when it comes to knowing about performance enhancing chemicals.
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I never speak over my head. I never give advice or comment on things I have no experience with. I am an accountant that has researched AAS just like everyone else. I have never claimed to be more than what I am.

Unlike you - I don’t care what class that puts me in, nor do I care how big my dick is. I talk about what I know about. Prove me wrong.

Mischaracterizing me like that shows just how shallow and fearful you are. If I am as lowly as you say - why waste your time?

I am involved with a company that makes research chems at half the retail cost of your bed buddies. I am not ashamed of that involvement if we can produce a quality product at a price that folks can afford - with customer service that is better than any of the big three.

Let’s see - an accountant puts me in a group of say - 3 million. A juiced body builder accountant puts me in a group of about 1,000. One that is a mod/vet at other boards - 1 in 25. A juiced, mod/vet, bbing accountant that has a stake in a new research chem company? I think I am by my self.

And I don’t give a flying fuck what a rugby player that hates BBers has to say about my lifestyle.

maybe no one cares what both of you have to say. maybe people have their own preference. Personally id go with the athlete. Im a D1 track and field athlete myself. Just not elite… and for math. uhhh im horrible. personally id go with the old stuff the tabs.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
ChemOne doesn’t need your money, or your endorsement. In fact, the more you bash us - the better we seem to do. [/quote]

Thats not what the owner said to me a few weeks ago.

[quote]trojanman wrote:
maybe no one cares what both of you have to say. maybe people have their own preference. Personally id go with the athlete. Im a D1 track and field athlete myself. Just not elite… and for math. uhhh im horrible. personally id go with the old stuff the tabs.
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Who would you go to to learn how to write coherently?

[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
rainjack wrote:
ChemOne doesn’t need your money, or your endorsement. In fact, the more you bash us - the better we seem to do.

Thats not what the owner said to me a few weeks ago.
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Ask him now.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
trojanman wrote:
maybe no one cares what both of you have to say. maybe people have their own preference. Personally id go with the athlete. Im a D1 track and field athlete myself. Just not elite… and for math. uhhh im horrible. personally id go with the old stuff the tabs.

Whou would go to to learn how to write coherently?[/quote]

well, I would go to my english professor of course.

you work for lion or something? yah we all heard you the first multiple times you complained about my company.

im here to tell everyone we are a good company. we give away tons of free products just to make sure we keep good board relations with everyone.

if at any time an IBE customer has a problem all they have to do is come to me and my board. i will hit the pavement for you and get you your product plus freebies to boot.

that’s what we always do and have done.

Anthony needs to come off his tren that’s what i think. if anyone has nothing better to do than bash a chem company i think he’s one of the rivalries.[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
I think their Oral IGF product is total bullshit, and I think the same about some of their other products. I just don’t trust them, based on the types of products they are putting out.

Does Lion Nutrition ship to Canada? I have no idea…

I use AG-guys, but if Canadian customs is a worry, I believe there’s Paper products available in most ancillaries.[/quote]

[quote]LuvMuhRoids wrote:
Anthony needs to come off his tren that’s what i think. if anyone has nothing better to do than bash a chem company i think he’s one of the rivalries.
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Well he’s damn sure taking money from them. You have to remember, he’s an elite rugby player and that makes him special.

You will notice that hooker never has a nice thing to say about anyone he percieves as a rival - which is anyone not paying him money.

He’s pulled the same shit with William Llewellyn. He has people kicked off boards for disagreeing with him, and he ALWAYS tries to turn the converstaion around to telling people how fucking great he is.

All I can say is - consider the source.

[quote]LuvMuhRoids wrote:
you work for lion or something?
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No, actually. I haven’t worked for Lion in like…shit…years.

I did a few product write ups for him recently, gratis- but thats it.

Nothing big, just a few things he needed done, which I did free of charge.

SO…no…I don’t work for Lion or whatever…

[quote]rainjack wrote:
He has people kicked off boards for disagreeing with him, and he ALWAYS tries to turn the converstaion around to telling people how fucking great he is.

All I can say is - consider the source.
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You always question my credentials and then bash me for saying how great I am.

If you don’t want me to list credentials, then don’t keep asking- or saying I have none.

Sorry if it seems like bragging, but christ…

I suppose the average member here has to figure out whether to listen to…

Me -a person who’s written a book on steroids and other chemicals (research chems included), done numerous radio interviews, and is a contributing author here-

Or you…a guy who posts under an anonymous name on internet steroid discussion boards during his free time from his regular job as an accountant.

[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
rainjack wrote:
He has people kicked off boards for disagreeing with him, and he ALWAYS tries to turn the converstaion around to telling people how fucking great he is.

All I can say is - consider the source.

You always question my credentials and then bash me for saying how great I am.

If you don’t want me to list credentials, then don’t keep asking- or saying I have none.

Sorry if it seems like bragging, but christ…

I suppose the average member here has to figure out whether to listen to…

Me -a person who’s written a book on steroids and other chemicals (research chems included), done numerous radio interviews, and is a contributing author here-

Or you…a guy who posts under an anonymous name on internet steroid discussion boards during his free time from his regular job as an accountant.
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I am not asking anyone to listen to me. I don’t question your credentials. I just don’t see where being a rugby player makes you more qualified than - say - a guy that rides bulls. But it is evidently a very important thing for you to let everyone know how great of a Rugby Player you are.

Maybe if you weren’t the only one bragging about how great you are it would be more believable.

Kicking individuals off of boards just because you don’t like them is a bitch move. Turning everything around to be about you, and your percieved greatness, is just pathetic.

And you are an expert at both.

[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
If you don’t want me to list credentials, then don’t keep asking- or saying I have none.
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Come up with a quote where I have asked for anything from you. You are now a liar.

I disagree that being a rugby player means anything in the arena of AAS. That is not questioning your credentials. That is questioning what the fuck they have to do with the price of tea in china.

alrite im ordering from IBE i guess, thanks guys…

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Anthony Roberts wrote:
If you don’t want me to list credentials, then don’t keep asking- or saying I have none.

Come up with a quote where I have asked for anything from you. You are now a liar.

I disagree that being a rugby player means anything in the arena of AAS. That is not questioning your credentials. That is questioning what the fuck they have to do with the price of tea in china.

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When you say people shouldn’t listen to me, then give “reasons” I think it’s a given that I ought to list reasons to the contrary.

It’s implied when you say people shouldn’t listen to me because of reason XYZ…it’s impetus to list credentials.

Also, I find it odd that you criticized me for working with/for a resrearch chem company- and now you are, yourself.

Athough, it mst be noted that you weren’t upfront about that information (unlike me)- you provided it only after I confronted you on it. I provided that information without ever being asked.

Oh…and you criticized me for being an ex-con…and the guy who owns the research chem company you work for is an ex-con. Why the change of heart? Shouldn’t you criticize him also, for the same reason?

Then there were your accusations about Lion chems and BSA content- accusations that you never provided any support for, in the way of credible lab reports. Odd, right?

I guess, based on your track record, people will have to decide whether to believe you or not.

HHHmmm…

[quote]rainjack wrote:

I am not asking anyone to listen to me. I don’t question your credentials. I just don’t see where being a rugby player makes you more qualified than - say - a guy that rides bulls. But it is evidently a very important thing for you to let everyone know how great of a Rugby Player you are.

Maybe if you weren’t the only one bragging about how great you are it would be more believable.

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You’re right. Someone who has played a sport at an elite level, and writes about performancde enhancing drugs for a living is certainly not as credible in the area of steroid ancillaries as…say…a tax accountant who posts on steroid discussion boards under an assumed name.

Yup…

Very valid point.

[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
When you say people shouldn’t listen to me, then give “reasons” I think it’s a given that I ought to list reasons to the contrary.[/quote]

Find the quote where I said that. you have already proven you are a liar. Now you are bordering on pathological. Go ahead. Find the quote.

When you only pimp for who pays - you damage your own credibility. Me calling attention to the fact that that is indeed what you do is not asking you for credentials. It is stating fact.

I do to. I never saw it coming until I was in the middle of it. But now you are getting your chance to return the favor.

You didn’t come forth with that information until you were asked to. Even in your article where you use pics of Lion’s shit - you deny taking any money from Lion - while at the same time getting paid by Brian. And everyone knows what kind of a Lion whore Brian is. But you denied it then and you deny it now. That is the third lie you have told in as many tries.

The difference is - I trust him. You - not so much. I don’t trust whores.

You saw what I saw. But funny thing - Lion stopped selling the very product that was in question. I think the whole story was planted by AG-Guys, but there will never be any proof.

Additionally, I was asked to drop the subject, so I did.

[quote]I guess, based on your track record, people will have to decide whether to believe you or not.

HHHmmm…
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Based on the PM traffic I am getting here, and the post immediately above yours - Folks are listening to me.

It has to just chap your ass not to be able to ban me here like you have done on at least one other site - it might be more - only you would know.

You maybe smart, but you are a chicken shit little liar that people see through from a mile away.

[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
rainjack wrote:

I am not asking anyone to listen to me. I don’t question your credentials. I just don’t see where being a rugby player makes you more qualified than - say - a guy that rides bulls. But it is evidently a very important thing for you to let everyone know how great of a Rugby Player you are.

Maybe if you weren’t the only one bragging about how great you are it would be more believable.

You’re right. Someone who has played a sport at an elite level, and writes about performancde enhancing drugs for a living is certainly not as credible in the area of steroid ancillaries as…say…a tax accountant who posts on steroid discussion boards under an assumed name.

Yup…

Very valid point.
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You keep trying to make it sound like I am offering advice on performance enhancing drugs. I answer questions that I know about. Homebrew, Research Chems, and certain cycles. I am not in every thread offering opinion that should be considered gospel.

Show me where I am doing that. I am betting this will be just like the other three lies you have told about me today. Totally unsupported - just figments of a rugby player’s imagination.

I don’t like you or your attitude - that is why I post. Well that, and the number of PM’s I get from people telling me how much they appreciate me telling you how much of a dick you are. How you can divine me giving out AAS advice is beyond me.

But please - If I have given bad advice, or answered a question that was just flat wrong, point it out to me. Quit telling me about how great of a fucking rugby player you are. I don’t fucking care.