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This makes me sick…

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050608/lf_afp/afplifestylefashion_050608142956&printer=1

Move over Rambo, you’re cramping new man’s style

Macho man is an endangered species, with today’s male more likely to opt for a pink flowered shirt and swingers’ clubs than the traditional role as family super-hero, fashion industry insiders say.

A study along these lines led by French marketing and style consultants Nelly Rodi was unveiled to Fashion Group International during a seminar Tuesday on future strategy for the fashion industry in Europe.

“The masculine ideal is being completely modified. All the traditional male values of authority, infallibility, virility and strength are being completely overturned,” said Pierre Francois Le Louet, the agency’s managing director.

Instead today’s males are turning more towards “creativity, sensitivity and multiplicity,” as seen already in recent seasons on the catwalks of Paris and Milan.

Arnold Schwarznegger and Sylvester Stallone are being replaced by the 21st-century man who “no longer wants to be the family super-hero”, but instead has the guts to be himself, to test his own limits.

“We are watching the birth of a hybrid man. … Why not put on a pink-flowered shirt and try out a partner-swapping club?” asked Le Louet, stressing that the study had focused on men aged between 20 and 35.

Sociologists and other experts spent three months analyzing some 150 magazines and books and 146 Internet sites, as well as interviewing a dozen experts from Europe, the United States and China.

The traditional man still exists in China, Le Louet said, and “is not ready to go”. But in Europe and the United States, a new species is emerging, apparently unafraid of anything.

“He is looking for a more radical affirmation of who he is, and wants to test out all the barbarity of modern life” including in the sexual domain, said Le Louet, adding that Reebok with its “I am what I am” campaign had perfectly tapped into this current trend.

The emergence of this new male beast who wants to look and feel good, and who will also have an impact on the role of women, presages a new potentially lucrative market for the European fashion industry.

“All those labels which have adapted to this freedom of expression are on the up, all those which are too rigid will suffer in the future,” Le Louet said, pointing to the growing success of sports and casual wear manufacturers.

Europe’s economic downturn and stiff competition from China have left the industry – which accounts for 7.0 percent of employment across the European Union or some 2.7 million jobs with an annual turnover of 230 billion euros – in the doldrums.

The EU has already stepped in with new initiatives and with an aid package to support small and medium enterprises, particularly in the field of technical textiles.

But the search for new markets is also driving research to profile the new European consumer – the theme of the debate held by Fashion Group, which unites some 6,000 fashion industry professionals.

The answer is not simple, as culture and changing demographics make it hard to pin down the typical European, especially with the growing population of elderly.

But even though society is changing, Jean-Pierre Fourcat, a director with consultants Sociovision specialising in discerning social trends, believes there are some common threads.

“There is an increasing desire for people to be in charge of their own lives, and an intolerance for any lack of autonomy,” he told the debate.

“We are also moving into a different situation. We no longer need what we are used to, rather we need what is new. But a motorway without any signs is total panic. So we need some beacons … and we need a little bit of fun.”

Today’s consumer wants to feel pampered, but also to be able to take time out, feel good and feel alive.

“We have to help people to create their own look. And we absolutely must help people to dream, and if we help people to dream perhaps the world will be a little bit better,” he said.

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That’s pretty sad, but would you expect anything different from a study led by the French?

I’d like to see more details about the demographics of the “men” in the study, other than aged 20 to 35 (e.g sexual preference).

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Saw this on Drudge about an hour ago. Part of it, I can somewhat agree with,

"But in Europe and the United States, a new species is emerging, apparently unafraid of anything.

“He is looking for a more radical affirmation of who he is, and wants to test out all the barbarity of modern life” including in the sexual domain, said Le Louet, adding that Reebok with its “I am what I am” campaign had perfectly tapped into this current trend."

We talk all the time on here about how people should be true to themselves, not sell out their dreams and live like they want to.
I think this study is in of itself, pure bullshit. The concept of being an independent, unafraid man takes in all the qualities of a “macho man.” Strenght, independence, etc.

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The only thing I have a problem with is that they make it seem like some sort of metro thing with the flowered shirt comment.

Rock on.

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[quote]
Instead today’s males are turning more towards “creativity, sensitivity and multiplicity,”

“no longer wants to be the family super-hero”, but instead has the guts to be himself, to test his own limits.

"We are watching the birth of a hybrid man.

“He is looking for a more radical affirmation of who he is, and wants to test out all the barbarity of modern life” including in the sexual domain, said Le Louet, adding that Reebok with its “I am what I am” campaign had perfectly tapped into this current trend.

The emergence of this new male beast who wants to look and feel good, and who will also have an impact on the role of women,

“There is an increasing desire for people to be in charge of their own lives, and an intolerance for any lack of autonomy,”

[quote/]

This whole arcticle is a mass of contradictions. This fool uses words like “sensitivity” and then refers to his metrosexual vision as a “new beast”? WTF? Most of what he says this “new world man” is is what we all try to be and achieve everyday with all the social taboos that keep kicking us in our big fucking balls everytime we try to do something with the slightest hint of boldness and individuality. Makes me sick too.

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[quote]apayne wrote:
The only thing I have a problem with is that they make it seem like some sort of metro thing with the flowered shirt comment.

Rock on.[/quote]

I got the feeling that they wanted to say that to be a “new man” you have to be totally in touch with your feminine side, almost suggesting bisexuality to be fully “realized.”

If you wanna wear pink, wear pink. I don’t because I’ve got red hair and it makes me look like a walking strawberry when I do. The whole metro/not-metro thing is getting old. Men now realize you have to take care of yourself, this includes your skin,(i.e. trying to beat back skin cancer), and looking good to keep the wife/girlfriend interested and jealous when the other females notice is a good thing.

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I am not liking the direction that these fags are taking with trying to change everyone into a soft feminine bitch.

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It’s not the metro/non metro thing that gets me.

What bother’s me is that people need an excuse to be themself?? Do you really need a fucking study to say “its ok to wear pink”

Being the “macho image” is something I AM not something I’m striving to be.

Yes, I like to fight and hit people (in a mma, sanctioned event of course hehe).

Yes, it’s hard for me to like a movie that doesn’t have explosions and gratuitous sex scences.

Yes, I tend to communicate in a series of grunts and growls.

Yes, I know comic book knowledge like the back of my hand and can repeat the movie Scarface for you almost verbatim.

Yes, I take more pride in my deadlift #'s than I do how many shoes I have.

But I also am a talented writer, I can do permutations without a calculator, I can quote Shakespeare all fucking day, I used balance chemical equations for FUN, I also look damn good in whatever the fuck I wear, pink or otherwise.

I don’t need a study to tell me to be myself. I am a man, I do what the fuck I want. If you feel compelled to cry after watching something like “the Pianist”, or “Schindler’s List” knock yourself out.

If you cry after something like Bambi… I’m going to raise an eyebrow but I really couldn’t give a fuck. Just don’t get snot bubbles on me.

What I hate is someone trying to tell ME that I’m buying into propaganda because I like tits and ass. No sir, I like tits and ass cause thats who I am.

I prefer to wear BLACK as opposed to PINK because I look dashing in black goddamnit. And wearing pink reminds me too much of something else that I really like… I don’t want to accidentally find myself licking my shirt or something.

If you like to do whatever it is that you do, and it is considered metro…

FINE.

By all means do it! But when someone just does something or becomes someone simply because its “in style”.

Or even “to get chicks”.

FUCK THAT.

I refuse to change myself for someone else. A person worth changing for won’t want you to change for them, they’ll accept you as you are. **

I’m more disappointed in the fact that men aren’t man enough to just be themself and that they need a fucking excuse to be who they are. Or that they’re afraid of being who they are because it’s not en vogue.

**(doing certain things to get the vagina, that is a different situation, but even that has limits)

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[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
It’s not the metro/non metro thing that gets me.

What bother’s me is that people need an excuse to be themself?? Do you really need a fucking study to say “its ok to wear pink”

Being the “macho image” is something I AM not something I’m striving to be.

Yes, I like to fight and hit people (in a mma, sanctioned event of course hehe).

Yes, it’s hard for me to like a movie that doesn’t have explosions and gratuitous sex scences.

Yes, I tend to communicate in a series of grunts and growls.

Yes, I know comic book knowledge like the back of my hand and can repeat the movie Scarface for you almost verbatim.

Yes, I take more pride in my deadlift #'s than I do how many shoes I have.

But I also am a talented writer, I can do permutations without a calculator, I can quote Shakespeare all fucking day, I used balance chemical equations for FUN, I also look damn good in whatever the fuck I wear, pink or otherwise.

I don’t need a study to tell me to be myself. I am a man, I do what the fuck I want. If you feel compelled to cry after watching something like “the Pianist”, or “Schindler’s List” knock yourself out.

If you cry after something like Bambi… I’m going to raise an eyebrow but I really couldn’t give a fuck. Just don’t get snot bubbles on me.

What I hate is someone trying to tell ME that I’m buying into propaganda because I like tits and ass. No sir, I like tits and ass cause thats who I am.

I prefer to wear BLACK as opposed to PINK because I look dashing in black goddamnit. And wearing pink reminds me too much of something else that I really like… I don’t want to accidentally find myself licking my shirt or something.

If you like to do whatever it is that you do, and it is considered metro…

FINE.

By all means do it! But when someone just does something or becomes someone simply because its “in style”.

Or even “to get chicks”.

FUCK THAT.

I refuse to change myself for someone else. A person worth changing for won’t want you to change for them, they’ll accept you as you are. **

I’m more disappointed in the fact that men aren’t man enough to just be themself and that they need a fucking excuse to be who they are. Or that they’re afraid of being who they are because it’s not en vogue.

**(doing certain things to get the vagina, that is a different situation, but even that has limits)

[/quote]

Amen man!I couldn’t have summed up the way I feel any better if I had written it myself! Be who you are…fuck everyone else.

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This “study” was put on by French “marketing and style consultants”, so it’s not as if this was some scientific, double-blind, placebo study. These are people with a directly vested interest in selling a certain angle for their own benefit and the benefit of the fashion industry. If we don’t believe the definition of man is changing, why would we buy their really awful-looking clothes? No one dresses like the model you see in the article’s photo (just as no one really wears haute couture clothing that they parade at fashion shows either).

I flat out don’t buy any of this nonsense at all. It’s like the whole idea of metrosexuals - it’s a slice of how some people live and a very thin slice at that. We, as human beings, have this funny way of defining eras and generations by sub-groups that get a lot of press. Not everyone was a hippy/flower child in 60’s or a coke-riddled disco lunatic in the 70’s or a Wall Street greed-monger in the 80’s or a flannel clad grunger in the 90’s. But when you think of those eras, those tend to be the things that most readily jump to mind.

Good find though, jack. Always interesting to see how people are trying to artificially influence things such as the definition of being a man. Always ends up being marketing-speak in the end.

Kuz

  • Return with honor.
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Bear in mind that this “study” was performed by the FASHION INDUSTRY and that the word catwalk was used in the text at various points.

I’ll leave “what makes a man a man” up to the straight guys.
These are the same people that have perpetuated the thought that the “skinny heroine addict” look is what’s “sexy” for women.

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Clearly this study is part of the gay agenda. Similarly to lesbians and an their obsession with feminism, gay men are trying to recruit straight men via political and cultural means.

First tinky wink, then sponge bob, and now this.

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[quote]Kuz wrote:
This “study” was put on by French “marketing and style consultants”, so it’s not as if this was some scientific, double-blind, placebo study. These are people with a directly vested interest in selling a certain angle for their own benefit and the benefit of the fashion industry. If we don’t believe the definition of man is changing, why would we buy their really awful-looking clothes? No one dresses like the model you see in the article’s photo (just as no one really wears haute couture clothing that they parade at fashion shows either).

I flat out don’t buy any of this nonsense at all. It’s like the whole idea of metrosexuals - it’s a slice of how some people live and a very thin slice at that. We, as human beings, have this funny way of defining eras and generations by sub-groups that get a lot of press. Not everyone was a hippy/flower child in 60’s or a coke-riddled disco lunatic in the 70’s or a Wall Street greed-monger in the 80’s or a flannel clad grunger in the 90’s. But when you think of those eras, those tend to be the things that most readily jump to mind.

Good find though, jack. Always interesting to see how people are trying to artificially influence things such as the definition of being a man. Always ends up being marketing-speak in the end.

Kuz

  • Return with honor.[/quote]

Kuz

You just wrote my autobiography in 4 lines. I’m so shallow

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[quote]j23t wrote:
I am not liking the direction that these fags are taking with trying to change everyone into a soft feminine bitch. [/quote]

Quality stuff!

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[quote]Soco wrote:
Clearly this study is part of the gay agenda. Similarly to lesbians and an their obsession with feminism, gay men are trying to recruit straight men via political and cultural means.

First tinky wink, then sponge bob, and now this.
[/quote]

i hope this quote was sarcastic

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[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
It’s not the metro/non metro thing that gets me.

What bother’s me is that people need an excuse to be themself?? Do you really need a fucking study to say “its ok to wear pink”

Being the “macho image” is something I AM not something I’m striving to be.

Yes, I like to fight and hit people (in a mma, sanctioned event of course hehe).

Yes, it’s hard for me to like a movie that doesn’t have explosions and gratuitous sex scences.

Yes, I tend to communicate in a series of grunts and growls.

Yes, I know comic book knowledge like the back of my hand and can repeat the movie Scarface for you almost verbatim.

Yes, I take more pride in my deadlift #'s than I do how many shoes I have.

But I also am a talented writer, I can do permutations without a calculator, I can quote Shakespeare all fucking day, I used balance chemical equations for FUN, I also look damn good in whatever the fuck I wear, pink or otherwise.

I don’t need a study to tell me to be myself. I am a man, I do what the fuck I want. If you feel compelled to cry after watching something like “the Pianist”, or “Schindler’s List” knock yourself out.

If you cry after something like Bambi… I’m going to raise an eyebrow but I really couldn’t give a fuck. Just don’t get snot bubbles on me.

What I hate is someone trying to tell ME that I’m buying into propaganda because I like tits and ass. No sir, I like tits and ass cause thats who I am.

I prefer to wear BLACK as opposed to PINK because I look dashing in black goddamnit. And wearing pink reminds me too much of something else that I really like… I don’t want to accidentally find myself licking my shirt or something.

If you like to do whatever it is that you do, and it is considered metro…

FINE.

By all means do it! But when someone just does something or becomes someone simply because its “in style”.

Or even “to get chicks”.

FUCK THAT.

I refuse to change myself for someone else. A person worth changing for won’t want you to change for them, they’ll accept you as you are. **

I’m more disappointed in the fact that men aren’t man enough to just be themself and that they need a fucking excuse to be who they are. Or that they’re afraid of being who they are because it’s not en vogue.

**(doing certain things to get the vagina, that is a different situation, but even that has limits)

[/quote]

Damn, Xen. I almost stood up and saluted you. Good Job!

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[quote]jackzepplin wrote:

Instead today’s males are turning more towards “creativity, sensitivity and multiplicity,” as seen already in recent seasons on the catwalks of Paris and Milan.

Sociologists and other experts spent three months analyzing some 150 magazines and books and 146 Internet sites, as well as interviewing a dozen experts from Europe, the United States and China.

[/quote]

Umm…the Catwalks of Paris and Milan hardly typify the typical male.

And reading a bunch of magazines will not tell you what the typical male wants, only what advertising agencies want you to believe.

So what you have is a fashion company looking to advertising agencies and other fashion companies to tell us what the trends are in heterosexual males gender roles. This makes sense.

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[quote]sasquatch wrote:
You just wrote my autobiography in 4 lines. I’m so shallow[/quote]

Er, that was more than four lines.

Xen Nova summed it up nicely. I believe I’ll adopt his post for my new philosophy on life.

I need to stop drinking - I respond to WAY too many posts when I’ve had a spot of alcohol!

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[quote]PSlave wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
You just wrote my autobiography in 4 lines. I’m so shallow

Er, that was more than four lines.

Xen Nova summed it up nicely. I believe I’ll adopt his post for my new philosophy on life.

I need to stop drinking - I respond to WAY too many posts when I’ve had a spot of alcohol![/quote]

Errrr—I was responding to the 4 lines pertaining to the 4 decades. Read it again and you’ll see where I was going.
Sorry Kuz if that wasn’t clear

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lol thanks fellas,

its called the “Trifecta of FUCK”


FUCK Fear.
FUCK Doubt.
FUCK YOU.

HAHAHA, yea that sums it up nicely :stuck_out_tongue: