I’d rather not start anything but I’ll go ahead and say this… Christ hung out with the social outcasts of his time. Sinners. Although that’s not an excuse to sin, you can’t persecute a manwhore for being a manwhore when you yourself once dreamed of being a manwhore.
Please, just say your response and let’s leave it at that. These kinds of topics are exhausting.
Of course we all know Mother Nature or God (take your pick) designed us to have biological urges, the urge to have sex for procreation, bonding, and pleasure, and a longing for the opposite sex’s company. This is simple. Men take care of their appearance, keep physically fit, work on their character, get a profession or trade, and so on, to make themselves a catch for women, marry, and have a family. Consider that this aim is of huge importance, and considerable amount of effort and energy is used to reach this goal.
I assume some will say here that a man simply does most or all this for his own benefit, enjoyment, and interest, nearly all of whom women. Yes we do some of this for our own benefit, but considering that most men are not extraordinary and will not become household names or go down in the history books at the most or have such interesting and all-consuming jobs that they can for some reason fill their lives up without yearning for a woman and a family at the least, much effort is put into attracting a mate.
There is a minority of men who are wired in such a way that they don’t feel the need to be close to a woman and have children and can or have the ability to fulfill some big endeavor, but they are not the norm And such high-achieving men will not have to do much to attract a woman anyway if and when they decide to get one. That is, even if someone like Elon Musk were single for years and did his typical 80 to 100 hour work weeks, he would simply have to exist to find a woman.
If men don’t have to display, the word I used, and prove themselves to a woman and her family, just why would there be a custom of men asking women’s fathers if they can marry their daughters.
On average, women can attract men more easily than men can attract women. Hence why I said men display and women choose. A single woman can go to a social venue and there will be several available men aware of her presence. Men typically ask or make a move for things to move forward. Women approve or deny. That is, they choose. Rich and powerful men can do a lot of choosing too, but they are a minority amongst men whereas an ordinary woman is not in the minority amongst women.
It goes without saying, that of course there is choosing to be done by both sexes considering that a men can choose who they stay with or who they present themselves to, but that regards a different context than what I speak of here.
I don’t know what you look like, but considering you’re a woman, if you were to use a dating app or website, you’d likely have plenty of messages from men to for which you’d have to choose to respond to. If you put yourself in social situations, you will have men talking and flirting with, and you’d have to choose if you respond or not, provide your number, and so forth. It’s quite simple, and this doesn’t happen with such regularity to most men.
I am on a schedule to read the bible in less than a year and I’m in an eight-month RCIA course. I am not converting from another Christian denomination, so I am a scripture noob. With that said, I ask, weren’t they outcasts because they preached the word of God, not because they were sinners?
Tis’ no such thing.
It’s not about being a “pure true Christian”, in fact there’s plenty of examples in the Bible where God goes for the down right dirty, grimy, and most opposing individuals, to spread his word.
Case in point, Paul was straight up slaughtering Christians across countries. Got the sense smacked into him, and became one of the most renowned apostles, and teachers behind Christ in the New Testament.
I loathe the notion of idealism thats slithered its way into Christianity and made its home there for millenia after millenia.
Nothing against you of course. But it’s actually okay to respect your humanity and embrace it. The important parts, are the ins and outs that you slowly optimize throughout your life that mirror Christ-like attributes, fueled by an ever growing faith despite daily physical, emotional, and mental adversary should you so choose to overcome them.
Unlike your latest troll job, at least this thread hasn’t been deleted. Count your blessings pork chop.
Thank you for the explanation. That makes sense now
Do you believe a woman can do these things for her own benefit, enjoyment and interest?
Let’s just say I’m not exactly a beauty queen by any standards
Ah, that explains a lot… 
Far more than a man can in the current day. Women can completely fill up their schedules with social outings, heavy workloads, vacations with female friends, fitness, social causes, academia, and receive plenty of validation from one another and through technology and be content with all that. Of course men can do some of the same but for most there will be a huge void without a women in their lives, which of course is likely because of the higher libido, need for validation and acceptance from an actual real-life woman, and less social makeup.
I really don’t wish to be antagonistic to other posters here, but I expect pushback on my posts, which is fine considering this would be a boring place without opposing views. I expect the pushback to be from other men who have women, which makes this ironic considering what we must do to find a mate and have intact relationships and families. Again, that’s fine.
Isn’t going for a run the best! Such an underrated form of exercise.
OR A MAN!!! Gotta be PC 2 the max when detailing the specifics about relationships dammit!!! Or a man-woman, woman-man or lizard person
It should be noted these statements you make aren’t fact, rather they’re an extrapolation of you’re conveyed ideologies and world views.
Outliers exist of which don’t align or abide by conventional societal norms, one particular issue I have with regards to some of your ideologies lies within my belief they negate and/or completely dismiss said outliers as insignificant because they lie within a designated minority.
Be it as a byproduct of biological defects, chemically induced neurological dysregulation etc motivations between individuals in relation to completing specific tasks will differ. As for an example using myself, I have to take certain medications on a daily basis of which significantly blunt my sex drive, libido and virility. At the moment my ‘yearning’ for a sexual partner simply doesn’t exist; my predisposition for emotional attachment aside from close family members/my animals appears to be nil to none, though this may be a defence mechanism in response to repeated bouts of betrayal and perceived societal rejection.
That being said, I still exercise… A lot, it’s one of the few joys in life that make me happy. I also take care of my appearance, not for the prospect of attracting a mate though; rather I believe it is pivotal to give off a good impression when interacting with others. You never know what opportunities may arise within life. I believe it’s best to take pride in the way one looks as it may/likely will equate to a net gain in the long run.
Certain people can’t bear children, some aren’t particularly interested in emotionally intimate, romantic relationships. To think these individuals will never find purpose in life is depressing. I believe some men can be content with a stable career/paycheck, a group of good friends and a place of residency absent of a romantic partner.
Same goes with religion. Some people need faith, some semblance of spiritual influence to find a sense of meaning/make sense of things. Others can go with or without it.
I have spoken with generalizations in all my posts here. No, I didn’t speak of outliers and I generally don’t when talking about a topic. I assume people understand I’m generalizing.
I’m pretty well in agreement with Brick on the generalities.
The problem with addressing outliers is the variation. As you get into the subgroups of subgroups it becomes very granular.
IRL example: A guy I know is a very high earning professional, lifetime of being single, painfully awkward around women to the point of having given up on them entirely. He practices his profession at the highest level, has a few interesting hobbies, and over all a very good life.
But- he’s the one single person out of hundreds that I’m acquainted with and thousands that I’ve met or interacted with who is like this.
That doesn’t mean his value or actions are negated or diminished in any way, it just means he’s an outlier, which by definition does not fit with generalities.
It would simply be a miscategorization to lump him in with “most guys”.
Dude no. Here’s an example… He hung out with LEPERS. Jewish culture in those times were a little messed up, and at certain times of the year, the Jewish pharisees were forbidden to be within 10 feet of them, not because of any knowledge of bacteria and infection, but because they thought lepers were beneath them. Jesus approached them, healed them, BEFRIENDED them. He was ridiculous in His time in that he proclaimed that even non-Jews were allowed to enter the Kingdom of God. Historians struggle to comprehend how such “craziness” propelled Jesus into the way He is viewed today. Unless of course it wasn’t crazy, it was real… That’s why I feel it’s okay to call myself a liberal Christian. You can’t cheat God, and God knows what is truly in my heart.
I think this leads to the point that Christianity is the most fair and egalitarian faith system there is. The karmic law of the Hindus, for example, dictates there’s not a damn thing you can do about your conditions in life because of your actions in your past life. There are faith systems that deals with good deeds outweighing your bad deeds in order to attain paradise, which they present in an absolute sense. The message of Christ is something special.
Just to give you all an idea… I don’t speak as an academic on the subject. I speak from personal experience. I literally dabbled in Theistic Satanism. NEVER AGAIN. There’s a reason I’m desperate to call myself a Christian.
Cool story bro.
Good.
Ok. Here’s you: “I like computer generated sex dolls. How do I get a girlfriend? Oh yeah, Jesus blah blah blah…”.
Here’s the rest of the world, getting laid, and with absolutely no doubts as to why you dont/can’t:
And here’s an A-10 being braptastic for reference.
I haven’t been feeling the best as of late, but that meme legit made me burst out laughing 
Dude, c’mon. Literal lolz at this and “liberal Christian”.
Happy to help! 
In all seriousness, how did you conclude that Christianity is egalitarian or its possible to be liberal and Christian. I’m a Bible noob and I’ve yet to see anything liberal or egalitarian discussed in it. There’s plenty in the scripture that is the complete opposite.
If it helps, I could give a few verses that discuss equality. There’s lots of records of the exact opposite happening, that much I do agree. But it does help to understand that such treatment of others was not being promoted, but merely recorded. There’s also instances of directions given that seem very…radical almost, but the neighboring verses either before or after tend to explain them in more of an analogy type, or as a means of like…setting an example, granted the outcome seems almost unfair to the reader/believer.
Jesus’ philosophy concerning the poor, among other things, is fairly liberal.
Outside of Jesus, there’s nothing else, but I think he’s probably referring to the idea that when it comes to repenting and being accepted, we’re all on even playing ground. Of course, that begs the question of whether or not it’s fair to people who spend their lives doing good to give them the same treatment as as pedophiles and murderers.
Besides all that, my problem with “liberal Christian” here is that, given everything I’ve read in here, it’s just a term to describe someone who wants to deliberately flout the rules with promises of arbitrary good deeds at an arbitrary future date and still receive all the benefits.
