I Need Quick Gains

Pharma / TRT
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I’ve been lifting for quite awhile, but never used. However, this is a big summer in terms of football oppurtunities. Basically I’ve been told by a handful of schools if i put on 10-20 pounds i will be offered.My body just doesn’t put on weight easily, I’ve only been able to put on about 8 lbs in the past 2 months, even strictly following a solid diet plan.

I have easy access to dbol, and I know the dosages for it, my question is… What type of anti-e/pct should i go about taking after say a 3-4 week cycle of 10-20 mg/day. thanks

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Marty- This ain’t what you want to hear and I’m not being a dick, but if you can’t gain muscular weight, then your diet isn’t solid and your training might not be either. You’re only what, 18 or 19, don’t use aas right now. I’m in the same position as you are as far as football goes and I have thought about using many times, but went against it because I knew I had to get my diet and training in gear first and the fact that I just turned 19.

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You might try, in addition to the good solid diet, eating some not so good, not so solid food. Ice cream, cake, pizza, hamburgers and fries. It’s not going to be all muscle, but it should help you put on weight.

And keep training hard! A pound of muscle a week is great! And if you eat the food outlined above, maybe you can add a pound of fat each week too. You can always lose the fat after you’re accepted in.

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I understand the eating shit food sometimes to put on extra weight, but really I need a quick fix, reason being I will not be able to keep the weight I have now during the season. I’m aware that I’m gaining good steady lbs, but im at about 208 and need to be up to about 220-225 by camp in a month and a half, and that’s probably not going to happen naturally. It’s a decision that I’m ready and willing to make, so if someone would answer my initial question about pct I would be much obliged. thanks

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I know this guy is under 21 and obviously hasn’t done much research if he has no clue about PCT for this. But at the same time, I don’t think it is fair to say “do it naturally.” If this guy is being courted by big time D1 schools, and they are indeed telling him he needs to pack on that weight in that short of time, who are we to try to dissuade him? Worst case scenario he gets a full ride to a big D1 school and gets an education. Best case he gets drafted into the league and realizes a dream.

Anyways, off my high horse now, lol. You should be able to find PCT on pretty much any anabolic forum. I won’t post any links here but they should be extremely easy to find.

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Marty, go here and read John Berardi’s Massive Eating series of articles.

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=629609

Also check out other articles on eating cleanly.

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Are you using creatine with lots of water and simple sugars or creatine with Surge post workout? Are you using Carbolin 19, Alpha Male, M, Methoxy-7, and Grow!? Any of the above or in combination? Before I sound like a nut, I know these Biotest products will not give as big of gains as d-bol as fast as d-bol, BUT Carbolin 19 stacked with Alpha Male and Methoxy-7 is a powerful natural stack. Especially combined with massive eating. This stack paired with mass gaining workouts and a disregard for fat gain, massive eating plan could be an option to consider. Do you have 4ad-ec or access to it? Even with d-bol you are going to have to eat massive to put on that weight gain you are aiming for. Don’t worry about fat gain right now. Maximize eating, sleeping and tough short workouts emphasizing compound movements. Eliminate cardio except football practice. My favorite mass gain meal is lots of pasta with lots of olive oil and meat/ground beef and sauce. Here is another mass meal, all the pancakes you can eat with eggs and lots of whole milk to wash it all down. Cheese is another good calorically dense food. The Carbolin 19, Alpha Male, Methoxy-7 stack could help you maintain mass gains through the season whether you use d-bol or not. Good luck.

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[quote]martyh wrote:
I’ve been lifting for quite awhile, but never used. However, this is a big summer in terms of football oppurtunities. Basically I’ve been told by a handful of schools if i put on 10-20 pounds i will be offered.My body just doesn’t put on weight easily, I’ve only been able to put on about 8 lbs in the past 2 months, even strictly following a solid diet plan.

I have easy access to dbol, and I know the dosages for it, my question is… What type of anti-e/pct should i go about taking after say a 3-4 week cycle of 10-20 mg/day. thanks[/quote]

If dbol is all you can get then I would up the dosage to at least 40mgs a day and eat like a mad man. Most people can easily put on the 10-20 pounds you are looking for on a first cycle, but most don’t use dbol alone. That’s why I would up the dosage.

For pct clomid and or nolvadex, with Alpha Male. I don’t know about the amounts, it depends on the individual. For pct I usually go with 100mgs of clomid on day one and 25mg eod for 2-3 weeks. Others use a lot more. I also usually don’t run any anti-e while on as I’m not gyno prone. Sorry I couldn’t be more help as far as that goes, good luck.

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Sprinterone has a point there and if you are going to use, then do it, but do it intelligently. It’s good you are asking about pct, but if you don’t have much of a clue about pct and are thinking of doing a dbol only cycle, you obviously don’t know much about aas. I’m not being a dick and I am not saying i’m an expert but if you can’t plan out your own cycle then you have no business using. Again, I’m not being a dick, but you are hurting your future natural gains by using too early. This is a post from another anabolics forum:

Will using PH and aas now jeopardize future gains? - “you will not gain so much naturally after fast tracking your gains on PHs or aas. I believe you should try and make as much natural gains before you use PHs or aas - call me old fashioned if you want but short termism is usually in conflict with long term goals.”

Lastly- If you run the dbol by itself, with a sound diet and training, you should easily put on quite a bit of weight, just be prepared to lose quite a bit of it during pct.

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hey bro…8 weeks is too little time!
Even if you are a newbie…in 8 weeks you aren’t going to get much mass.

As for suggestions

1)EAT!!! a lot, frequently…don’t diet, just eat…and drink a lot of water too.

2)Layoff party, beer…etc.

3)Sleep…eat, train, recovery method, eat

4)I’m not a connosieur of 'roids…but 8 weeks is not much time…use it if you have too. You’re here at T-mag…you know the drill, dosage, special care, etc. Do your dbol the optimal way…and be careful, when in doubt go less.

5)Buy some “food” supps to pack weight…MRP, PWO, creatine, etc.
One trick…do your creatine with whole milk, protein and sugar…one after each training session, one before bed. Trust me…this stuff packs in fast. Throw away anything diuretic.

6)Forget GPP, forget cardio…lift stuff…big lifts that don’t require much technique. DL, power clean, power curl, squat, push press, pullup, side press, etc. Just move a lot of weight and stay away from more technical and delicate exercises like front squats, BTN press, etc.

7)Recovery methods…contrast showers are free and they work…try other methods as well.

  1. Bypass your weakness…use straps if you have to, belt, etc.

  2. get some non food supps…double dose of the strongest multivit…ZMA, the most important!..Alpha Male & Carbolin 19 stack…Power Drive & Spike stack. Goes without saying that you have to take them in the right time…very important.

  3. It’s difficult to get mass that fast…you have to cheat through it.

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If you have easy access to dbol, i would take 10mgs ED first thing is the morning. this is when your own test levels are at their peak and you will only mimic this natural occurence. Your body will not know that it is endogenous and it shouldn’t affect your HPTA axis. This will eliminate the need for any PCT and will not be too hard on your body as long as you don’t go overboard on the dosage and only do it for a maximum of 6 weeks. In your case, you might risk going 8 weeks but STAY AWAY FROM ALCOHOL! THE LIVER IS A PRECIOUS THING AND THIS IS A VERY TOXIC DRUG! then…
calories bro, calories! EAT,EAT,EAT, AND DRINK TWO GALLONS OF WATER A DAY AND GET AT LEAST 8 HOURS OF SLEEP A DAY, WITH SOME NAPS(not naposims) IN BETWEEN. If you are training as hard a you should be, this much sleep shouldn’t be hard to get. Do not expend any more energy than you absolutely have to and good luck!

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Wow, what a lot of help everyone is being lecturing this kid and what not. He’s gonna do a cycle, he’d be crazy not to, why not help him?

To answer you question bro, 50mg clomid ED for 4 weeks post should be plenty, you could even run that during the cycle to act as an anti-e. As far as the dose, I’d up it to 50mg a day of d-bol at least since you’re running it alone. And six weeks on wouldn’t kill you.

The one thing these guys did get right it you’re gonna have to pound down the food like it’s a full time job. 2gm of protien per pound of bw, and 3gm of carbs per lb or bw AT LEAST. Then plenty of healthy fats, couple tbls of flax or olive oil in your last 3-4 meals. Very brief, very intense 3 day a week mass routine using only big basic compound multi joint exercises. Get stronger, lift more than you did the week before.

Weigh yourself once a week, and if you’re not putting one the weight fast enough (remember you’ll gain faster at the start then at the end) EAT MORE and move around less.

Best of luck to you, this is your future, your opportunity, go get it!!And watch out for those stretch marks :wink:

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Really you should find a shorter acting test or possibly some tren to run with this but, if dbol is all you can get than run it as stated early at 40-50mg ed for up to six weeks.

The one thing I have not seen anyone mention though is the BACK PUMP you WILL BE GETTING.

Find a good cranberry extrac to take and drink cranberry juice all day long. This will keep your kidneys healthy and give you a lot less pain.
Good luck(find a better source)
DA

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dude here is diet for you take it or leave it i put on 20lbs naturally keeping my bf@ 14-15% in about 9 months not huge amounts of weight but hell this might help but im sure your diet is down anyways

8 am
6 egg white, 3yolk
150g oatmeal
1 slice wheat toast
1 teaspoon peanut butter

10am
100g chicken breast
100g steak
100g rice, dry weight
35g beans(any kind)

Noon
100g chicken breast
100g steak
30g mushrooms
1 tablespoon extra virgin olive oil
brochilli

2pm
150g Salmon steak(or any fresh water fish to lower salt intake)
2 whole eggs
50 grams carrots
75g rice
50g peas

4pm
progain (protein with maltodextrin

5pm
Workout

Post workout
100g Protein but NO carbs in it!!!(should be a blend, Whey/Egg/Soy seems to work good)

8pm
100g chicken
100g fish
150g Sweet potato
12-16oz Full fat Milk

Just before bed
400g steak
2 whole eggs

got this off a website about a year ago and oit helps to pack on qaulit muscle.

And just to point of to who ever is saying just put on the poundage im sure that these school want lean muscel not fat.

My view is dude (bte i have never done a cycle aam about to start first one in a few weeks) is do it dude and live the dream_ i know what i would do if i was in your boat

hey im sure i will get slated for saying that but it is my opinion