I still want to know why people think that someone who is muscular and over 210 lbs can’t run up stairs or do anything like that without dropping afterward. Being muscular and being obese are two totally different animals.
[quote]BigRagoo wrote:
I still want to know why people think that someone who is muscular and over 210 lbs can’t run up stairs or do anything like that without dropping afterward. Being muscular and being obese are two totally different animals.
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I think it’s cause people think that muscle mass is a strain for the heart when you’re at that level of development. My $.02 on that.
[quote]BigRagoo wrote:
I still want to know why people think that someone who is muscular and over 210 lbs can’t run up stairs or do anything like that without dropping afterward. Being muscular and being obese are two totally different animals.
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Jealousy. There is no other explanation for that line of thinking. It is the same type of thinking that concludes that anyone with big muscles must be near retarded. For some people, the only way they can deal with someone who is “more” than they are is by attempting to degrade them in some way. Otherwise, it just pisses them off.
I have no problem climbing or running up stairs. I am also not obese. One particular author here seems to hate bodybuilding with a passion and that leaks into those who hang on his every word.
If I had trained for years and made such little progress that I had to justify it by claiming I was training for “function”, I would feel like I had failed at accomplishing a goal.
Bench presses and every other type of exercise can aid any real world action. Aside from specifically talking about how an athlete trains for their specific sport, all exercises are “functional” when the goal is strength gains and muscular development.
It persists because there are just that many out there making such little progress to keep the BS flowing.
[quote]detazathoth wrote:
DrVonNostrand wrote:
I personally don’t believe you said any of those things as written. After all, that functional training idiot is bigger than you.
I know he’s bigger than me, but that doesn’t mean the fanboys that tout his research as dogma are. I don’t have anything against him, I do however think a lot of the people that follow his stuff religiously seem the type to tout their horns about functional training. Really. I do plan on using his 10x3 for fat loss when I cut, so let me reiterate that I don’t have anything against man.
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He was talking to the original thread starter.
[quote]detazathoth wrote:
BigRagoo wrote:
I still want to know why people think that someone who is muscular and over 210 lbs can’t run up stairs or do anything like that without dropping afterward. Being muscular and being obese are two totally different animals.
I think it’s cause people think that muscle mass is a strain for the heart when you’re at that level of development. My $.02 on that.
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See, that’s silly. Your heart adapts to your level of musculature. You can’t get big if your heart can’t handle it. How can one neglect the fact that hard training (even without traditional cardio) still works the carciovascular system? Don’t we all know that heavy lifting keeps the metabolism up longer than, say, after jogging? I know I’m better off from hard training than just a typical cardio routine.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
BigRagoo wrote:
I still want to know why people think that someone who is muscular and over 210 lbs can’t run up stairs or do anything like that without dropping afterward. Being muscular and being obese are two totally different animals.
Jealousy. There is no other explanation for that line of thinking. It is the same type of thinking that concludes that anyone with big muscles must be near retarded. For some people, the only way they can deal with someone who is “more” than they are is by attempting to degrade them in some way. Otherwise, it just pisses them off.
I have no problem climbing or running up stairs. I am also not obese. One particular author here seems to hate bodybuilding with a passion and that leaks into those who hang on his every word.
If I had trained for years and made such little progress that I had to justify it by claiming I was training for “function”, I would feel like I had failed at accomplishing a goal.
Bench presses and every other type of exercise can aid any real world action. Aside from specifically talking about how an athlete trains for their specific sport, all exercises are “functional” when the goal is strength gains and muscular development.
It persists because there are just that many out there making such little progress to keep the BS flowing.[/quote]
Could it be jealousy and ignorance? I climb stairs at work all the time, and I am thankful that I do train. I feel that if I wasn’t kicking my ass in the gym, the 8 decks of both units at work would kick my ass. Plus I carry steel sample cylinders with me on every trip to boot.
I don’t know, but I do know that being 220 hasn’t been anything but an advantage for me.
[quote]Heliotrope wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
DrVonNostrand wrote:
I personally don’t believe you said any of those things as written. After all, that functional training idiot is bigger than you.
I know he’s bigger than me, but that doesn’t mean the fanboys that tout his research as dogma are. I don’t have anything against him, I do however think a lot of the people that follow his stuff religiously seem the type to tout their horns about functional training. Really. I do plan on using his 10x3 for fat loss when I cut, so let me reiterate that I don’t have anything against man.
He was talking to the original thread starter.
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Man do I feel dumb right now
BigRagoo, I do pretty much agree with you on the heart issue. I’m still am dumbfounded why a myth like that would make any sense to anyone. I’m befuddled.
[quote]BigRagoo wrote:
I still want to know why people think that someone who is muscular and over 210 lbs can’t run up stairs or do anything like that without dropping afterward. Being muscular and being obese are two totally different animals.
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It’s just a stereotype based on the fact that many weight trainers will sometimes use a program with low reps and no cardio training while trying to maximize gaining strength and size.
The truth is that gaining a reasonable level of cardiovascular fitness is extremely easy for a well trained lifter and takes an incredibly short amount of time compared to the time and effort it takes to build strength and size.
The problem is the FUNCTION they are training for is doing flimsy little chicken movements with feather weights.
They are increasing their athletic ability in a really specific way to be really weak and lightweight.
[quote]Magarhe wrote:
The problem is the FUNCTION they are training for is doing flimsy little chicken movements with feather weights.
They are increasing their athletic ability in a really specific way to be really weak and lightweight.
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Yeah, but you can’t tell them that, they just get mad.
[quote]BigRagoo wrote:
Magarhe wrote:
The problem is the FUNCTION they are training for is doing flimsy little chicken movements with feather weights.
They are increasing their athletic ability in a really specific way to be really weak and lightweight.
Yeah, but you can’t tell them that, they just get mad.[/quote]
Indeedski
Since I’ve been accused of being a liar, I must go on the defense and say that I did not fabricate this.
Also, the trainer was smaller than me, since he was a lean 5’7/5’8", 150-155 pounds.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
<<< Bench presses and every other type of exercise can aid any real world action. Aside from specifically talking about how an athlete trains for their specific sport, all exercises are “functional” when the goal is strength gains and muscular development. >>>[/quote]
There’s a delayed echo in here =] I think I remember hearing this before.
I know the whole functional v.s. hypertrophy debate is all hot and cult-like over here at T-Nation but in all honesty I feel sorry for you guys who make these posts.
At my high school gym if you can move weight it’s understood that you have strength and it’s functional. Maybe it’s because people not only see you in the gym but they see you in a game or meet kicking ass.
The worst case of functional v.s. hypertrophy troubles I saw happened just last week. My friend and I are doing some T-bar rows. His fat track coach, who isn’t even my friend’s throwing coach, tells him that after he finishes this set of rows he should concentrate on some exercises that will actually make him a better thrower like oblique medicine ball passes.
This track coach is also our school’s basketball coach. The only kids who display any significant speed or strength on the court are the football players who play basketball in the weekend. No one on our basketball team is getting one iota stronger because the core basis of their workouts is medicine ball work, twisting crunches, and other functional shenanigans.
At the end of the day the only thing that matters is if the muscles you have are helping you accomplish your own goals. 20 inch arms are functional to a bodybuilder. A VO2 max of 90 is functional to a marathon runner. But Being some jerk-off gym rat whose physical activity is limited to machine cardio and functional weight training is just stupid.
[quote]FightingScott wrote:
His fat track coach, who isn’t even my friend’s throwing coach, tells him that after he finishes this set of rows he should concentrate on some exercises that will actually make him a better thrower like oblique medicine ball passes.
This track coach is also our school’s basketball coach. The only kids who display any significant speed or strength on the court are the football players who play basketball in the weekend. No one on our basketball team is getting one iota stronger because the core basis of their workouts is medicine ball work, twisting crunches, and other functional shenanigans. [/quote]
Seeing and hearing about those types of situations always give me a good laugh.
[quote]FightingScott wrote:
I know the whole functional v.s. hypertrophy debate is all hot and cult-like over here at T-Nation but in all honesty I feel sorry for you guys who make these posts.
At my high school gym if you can move weight it’s understood that you have strength and it’s functional. Maybe it’s because people not only see you in the gym but they see you in a game or meet kicking ass. [/quote]
To tell the truth, I have NEVER had anyone walk up to me face to face and make any of the arguments I see on this forum. No one has ever approached me as if they thought I was weak. Ever. Mind you, my current gym, due to having a room with punching bags and floor mats, also gets the local boxers and some martial artists.
I’ve spoken with nearly all of them and not once had one make any statement like this.
I honestly think the only reason we read it as much here is because most of these people will never show what they look like. It is no different than those who discuss studies ad nauseam but clearly have very little real world experience.
I am also betting that fewer than 10% of the people posting on this forum are actually involved in any true sports or actually compete in powerlifting or even fighting. The talk, no doubt, is mostly coming from little guys who aren’t making progress but want to be noticed for something.
You can’t even qualify “function” which means it is fair game for those who have nothing else to show for all of that gym time.
I’m wondering if you couldn’t have displayed a better debate? It seems all you’ve managed to do was to make your place of employment a bit more on edge between co-workers.
So basically everyone who trains is a functional trainer now. The distinction now is between athletic and non-athletic functional training. But will bodybuilders start claiming they’re athletes and make us redefine the terms so we can keep arguing about terms?
[quote]allNatural wrote:
So basically everyone who trains is a functional trainer now. The distinction now is between athletic and non-athletic functional training. But will bodybuilders start claiming they’re athletes and make us redefine the terms so we can keep arguing about terms?[/quote]
In short, different people have different goals, as such different people train in different ways. As long as an individual’s goal is being met then all is well and others would do best to leave them alone and concentrate on reaching their personal goals.
P.S. I’ve never seen bodybuilders starting these arguments, only retaliating.