I Just Gotta Know!

[quote]force of one wrote:
boatguy wrote:
force of one wrote:
To the OP: Inhaling smoke damages your lungs. Is breaking the law, damaging your health and picking up an idiotic vice really what you want for yourself? Just thought I would offer another point of view. =^)

Inhaling smoke may damage your lungs, but most people don’t smoke a pack a day of pot like they do with tobacco(would be WAY to expensive from what I hear). Idiotic vice is a subjective opinion, but as far as breaking the law, a law that makes criminals out of millions of Americans every year can’t be very well thought out, now can it?

Sure. I think the law should definitely be changed. There needs to be even higher penalties.

And BTW… the fact that “everybody’s doing it” doesn’t make it a good thing.
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And just because something’s illegal it’s not necessarily “bad”. Look up the history of why marijuana became illegal, it was mostly because of racism and yellow journalism. Check this out.

http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
swirly wrote:
Marijuana has been around since like the 1500’s and was first used in China as a pain reliever and euphoria inducing substance.

The 1500s?

More like 7000 BC.

The ancient Egyptians, Assyrians, Scythians, Romans, and Greeks (who gave the plant its scientific name, cannabis) were all big old pot-heads, along with the Chinese and Indians (who gave the plant its Rasta name, ganja). If you’re looking for historical precedent, you’ve got basically all of recorded history.

Every one of the major religions in the world, including Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, an Islam, has used some form of cannabis in sacraments and rituals. Cannabis is approved by every god in the pantheon.

There is no conclusive evidence indicating that consumption of cannabis causes physiological or psychological damage, and indeed its therapeutic uses are well documented in both ancient and modern medicine. 4 out of 5 doctors recommend medical marijuana for their patients who smoke marijuana.

Cannabis is illegal in the United States today largely because of the efforts of three men: William Randolph Hearst, the newspaper magnate; Lamont Dupont, the chemical magnate, and Harry Anslinger, commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics (what is now the DEA).

Hearst and Dupont wanted to ban cannabis for commercial reasons. The fact that the plant may be used to make paper (indeed, Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence on hemp paper), rope, plastic, and textiles caused discomfort for Hearst, who wanted no competition for his wood-pulp paper production, and for Dupont, who wanted no competition for his company’s wonder-fibers like nylon and polyester.

Anslinger’s objection to cannabis was entirely for moral and public safety reasons, to wit:

“There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others.”

“Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.”

“Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”

“Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind.”

“Marijuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing.”

Harry seemed oblivious to the obvious contradiction of the last two quotes, and was just as oblivious of the reams of documentation from the medical and law enforcement communities which contradicted the claims he made in the other quotes.

No matter. Harry pled his case in a congressional hearing, backed up by Hearst and Dupont, and marijuana was banned, in the name of profits from deforestation, proliferation of petroleum-based synthetics, and demonstrably false and racially-motivated propaganda.

Now, if this hasn’t convinced you to imbibe a bit of the magical herb, then nothing will.[/quote]

Lol, I should’ve just gone to the next page and seen this post, it would’ve saved me a post. But we’re saying the same thing.

[quote]force of one wrote:
Wow this is amazing. People on a MB on a website about strength sports/training/health etc encouraging someone else to TAKE DRUGS. lol
Kind of ironic.

To the OP: Inhaling smoke damages your lungs. Is breaking the law, damaging your health and picking up an idiotic vice really what you want for yourself? Just thought I would offer another point of view. =^)[/quote]

How is it ironic? Almost everyone takes some sort of drug on this site whether its supplements, steroids, clenbuterol, etc…

That being said, I would wait til you are at least 18, kids shouldn’t be encouraged to take drugs, and there is still so much we don’t know and its a very critical age for development.

The majority of the negative effects from smoking pot come from the SMOKE, not the THC itself.

As for THC, there’s a major difference between occasional use and pathological abuse.

When I do “smoke” pot, it’s with a vaporizer so I get all the same effects and none of the lung-damage inherent with the act of inhaling the unfiltered smoke of burning plant matter.

However, that’s maybe once every few months at social gatherings. Same with alcohol and cigars: once every few months with friends and/or family.

I do notice that if I over-indulge my short-term memory is affected for about a week afterwards.

On that same note, if I over-indulge in coffee while working on a project or extra hours, I’m still twitchy a couple of days later.


What amazes/shocks me the most about the banning of the hemp plant itself (even strains that don’t contain THC) is that by-the-acre, hemp plants can provide up to four times the yield of paper fibers than trees. Then, after you’ve harvested the hemp plants for their paper fibers, you can quickly grow another crop and make MORE PAPER.

When you cut down trees to get the 1/4 yield of paper that hemp could provide, the trees and their entire ecosystems are basically GONE FOR GOOD.

The anal-retentive efficiency-Nazi side of me has a major problem with this.

My advice: WEED IS NOT A PARTY DRUG.

I repeat:

WEED IS NOT A PARTY DRUG.

Being high, especially for a newbie, is gonna make you very self conscious. It’s better to be in a comfortable situation with friends.

At least until you get used to controlling your mouth. Trust me, you say DUMB shit when you’re high. And then you laugh about it with your friends… well, more like giggle about it but regardless.

Weed is harmless. Harmless and fun. Keep decent food on hand, don’t spend too much money, and don’t go over board.

It’s like bowling. If you bowl once a day for an hour or so, that’s probably fine. If you bowl 8 times a day and you don’t do anything else, something is wrong.

Even better, once you’re used to it you can do pretty much anything you want high. This includes school work, essay writing, jogging, and real-life work (so long as it isn’t too complicated).

[quote]force of one wrote:
Wow this is amazing. People on a MB on a website about strength sports/training/health etc encouraging someone else to TAKE DRUGS. lol
Kind of ironic.

To the OP: Inhaling smoke damages your lungs. Is breaking the law, damaging your health and picking up an idiotic vice really what you want for yourself? Just thought I would offer another point of view. =^)[/quote]

You’re an idiot.

Let’s ban alcohol too, because that actually has been proven to cause greater damage.

[quote]swirly wrote:
Marijuana has been around since like the 1500’s and was first used in China as a pain reliever and euphoria inducing substance.[/quote]

Been around a lot longer than that.

[quote]force of one wrote:
Wow this is amazing. People on a MB on a website about strength sports/training/health etc encouraging someone else to TAKE DRUGS. lol
Kind of ironic.

To the OP: Inhaling smoke damages your lungs. Is breaking the law, damaging your health and picking up an idiotic vice really what you want for yourself? Just thought I would offer another point of view. =^)[/quote]

You’re an idiot.

Let’s ban alcohol too, because that actually has been proven to cause greater damage.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
“Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage.”

This I believe, and thank goodness for it, too![/quote]

Jazz is the music of God, not Satan (who also goes by the name of Stan and is a ginger and possibly a Jew).

[quote]rasturai wrote:
Fuck weed man.
Tequilla and vodka if you want a good time. That’s it. lol

Seriosuly if your scared/curious. Don’t try it, it’s not worth it. I think it’s over-rated, I never smoke. I’ve tried it and never got into it. Some people get this awesome thing from it, I just don’t. Plus if you like to have a sober mind then I don’t think you’ll enjoy it much. If nothing you’ll want your high to go away and then do something productive. Seriously lol.[/quote]

I’ve never tried this product but I’ll just tell you it doesn’t work.

Fucking retard.

[quote]LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
Rasturai I agree with you on this one! “Plus if you like to have a sober mind then I don’t think you’ll enjoy it much. If nothing you’ll want your high to go away and then do something productive. Seriously lol.”

I used to smoke constantly as a freshmen in highschool and throughout highschool. I had to quit after highschool because of a job and other reasons and I’ll tell you my gains got better in the gym I got stronger, bigger… My grades got better I got on top of all my shit and life was just better. Now when I smoke it’s so infrequent it’s like everytime is my first time and after I smoke I just think wow this shit is overrated. And the feeling is changed it doesn’t calm me but get my head thinking like crazy.

I have surpassed all my freinds who smoke as far as in the weight room, school, chicks and life.

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Boo hoo, you reacted differently.

[quote]Makavali wrote:
force of one wrote:
Wow this is amazing. People on a MB on a website about strength sports/training/health etc encouraging someone else to TAKE DRUGS. lol
Kind of ironic.

To the OP: Inhaling smoke damages your lungs. Is breaking the law, damaging your health and picking up an idiotic vice really what you want for yourself? Just thought I would offer another point of view. =^)

You’re an idiot.

Let’s ban alcohol too, because that actually has been proven to cause greater damage.[/quote]

I would be just fine with a ban on alcohol too. It’s all self destructive bullshit and you guys know it. Why not do something positive instead of guzzling poison or huffing up noxious smoke? I am sure that sounds crazy to you. I wouldn’t expect you to understand.

[quote]force of one wrote:
Sure. I think the law should definitely be changed. There needs to be even higher penalties.

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Please elaborate.

Let’s use a hypothetical situation.

A 30-something, working-class citizen that is a productive member of society gets arrested for having in their possession enough pot for them to get high after work to relax. They don’t harm anyone or commmit violent crimes. According some state laws, the first offense sends this person to prison for a year. Where they basically have to adapt to their environment and become violent. Not only that, they have a felony offense on their record if it is enough pot for the police to think they are distributing. So now the only job they can get when they get out of prison will not be as good as the job they had before they were arrested. You can bet on it.

…and yet, somehow, will all these laws restricting the use and sale of marijuana, people are trying to get rid of the death penalty for multiple homocide offenders.

If you don’t think this is blown out of proportion then by all means, elaborate.

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
My advice: WEED IS NOT A PARTY DRUG.

I repeat:

WEED IS NOT A PARTY DRUG.

Being high, especially for a newbie, is gonna make you very self conscious. It’s better to be in a comfortable situation with friends.

At least until you get used to controlling your mouth. Trust me, you say DUMB shit when you’re high. And then you laugh about it with your friends… well, more like giggle about it but regardless.

Weed is harmless. Harmless and fun. Keep decent food on hand, don’t spend too much money, and don’t go over board.

It’s like bowling. If you bowl once a day for an hour or so, that’s probably fine. If you bowl 8 times a day and you don’t do anything else, something is wrong.

Even better, once you’re used to it you can do pretty much anything you want high. This includes school work, essay writing, jogging, and real-life work (so long as it isn’t too complicated).[/quote]

So Beowolf, what you are really saying is that everyone needs a few good practice sessions to get good at being baked…? It all makes sense now.

[quote]force of one wrote:
I would be just fine with a ban on alcohol too. It’s all self destructive bullshit and you guys know it. Why not do something positive instead of guzzling poison or huffing up noxious smoke? I am sure that sounds crazy to you. I wouldn’t expect you to understand.
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No, you please explain how making criminals out of everyone makes us better off. They tried alcohol prohibition before. It didn’t work then and yet they expect different results with drug prohibition.

I think we know who doesn’t understand what.

I feel that moderation is the key to just about everything. Hell, even with “healthy” stuff we can overdo it.

Some people have said that they were scared to try it simply because they were afraid they might like it.

I dont neccesarily regret the experiences that got me to where I am in life, but if I could do it over… I would smoke less than I did.

It really depends on the person.

I know a very successfull anesthesiologist who smokes regularly, as does his wife and two teenage boys. They seem like a normal, hardworking family and while I’m not sure about the frequency and volume of their use, it sure doesn’t look like they’re disfunctional in any way.

On the other hand, you have me. I smoked for about 3.5 years, started when I was in the Army. It seemed pretty cool at the beggining, I got all of my shit done on time, had multiple girlfriends at occasions and felt superhuman.

Then it all got turned around, after about 8 months of constant abuse. Right off the bat, when I started, I smoked until it was all gone and then I went out to buy some more. I held regular jobs, so I could afford it, but looking back, I could have been a very successfull personal trainer if I hadn’t gotten so fiendish about it. Then came the speed, the ex, the hash, the acid, the dope. None of those made a lasting impression on me, but the weed… Man, it stopped me dead in my tracks.

Now, after 3 arrests for posession, the last of which broke my parole, I had a choice to make - either spend half a year in prison or attend group therapy 2 times a week for a period of 3 years. I chose the latter.

Then it all came pouring out during the therapy. All the aggression, the delusions, the paranoia, the insecurity. It’s amazing how being clean forces you to deal with those issues. Before I started, I could change girls on a weekly basis. After enough abuse had altered my way of thinking, I couldn’t muster up the courage to ask for the God damn time, let alone get a number from a girl. And that’s just one of a hundred examples. I’ve lost friends, jobs and a feeling of self worth, among other things, during a very short time.

It made me very much aware that drug use isn’t for me. It’s cool for some, I’m sure, but I bet a lot of users are just fooling themselves. What do you get out of it, really? A good time, a high? Or do you just use it to delay the problems and to repress negative emotions?

Right now, I’m up from a shameful 150 lbs to a cool 200, feeling stronger and better than before. It’s about gratification. Doing drugs is instant gratification and it IS cool while the effects last, but once they wear off… You either have to deal with your shit or you can always get some more to smoke up.

On the other hand, lifting weights is delayed gratification. I remember struggling to get a 45 lb plate off the floor. Now, they feel like feathers. The effort adds up. And the high you get when you break your PR in the deadlift is so much more worth it, because you know you worked your ass off to get there.

[quote]Grindsmen wrote:
Some people have said that they were scared to try it simply because they were afraid they might like it.
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Good point. I didn’t need to see Trainspotting to know vitamin H wasn’t for me.

Or how about the movie: Requim for a dream?

Drugs are bad, mmkay?