"You never know who’s having a bad day and feels like he has nothing to lose. "
I never fight for this exact reason.
Bedz
Welcome to the real world, sorry you had to experience it first hand.
Looks like you learnt a couple of important lessons:
Alot of guys think they are tough because they’re big or strong or bad-tempered but you never know until you’re thrown into the pavement arena if you ARE actually as tough as you thought.
You found out the difference size and probably strength makes in a fight. And more importantly experience.
People go either of two ways after an experience like yours, avoidance or confrontation. You can either learn to fight or learn to avoid going to places where these guys hang out, stop going out drinking e.t.c. This is one legitimate way of dealing with things. The problem with this is it can permenantly damage your confidence.
You may find yourself getting anxious when you go out or walk into a place where there alot of big tough guys about. That helpless feeling is not nice.
I myself went through the same experience many years ago. I chose to use it as a wake-up call. I too thought I was tough, and I was in a way as I took alot of pain and never gave up. But I discovered that my imagined fighting prowess was just that, imagined. I had studied for 6 years various forms of traditional martial arts including 3 types of Kung-fu, all that training amounted to virtually nothing when in a real fight. I had lost all respect for myself and my confidence was in tatters.
So 10 years later, after having studied Boxing, Thai-boxing, Ju-Jitsu and Vale-Tudo, I know I can really handle myself. And I feel so much better for it.
You don’t have to become a fighting machine and dedicate your life to martial arts in order to defend yourself satisfactorily. There’s been some good advice on what you should take up to help you. I would say learn how to strike (box/thai) and grapple (ju-jitsu/vale tudo) and that will enable you to deal much better if the same situation occurs within only a years time.
I am glad you have chosen to do something positive to remedy the situation. Good luck.
Oguard-Exactly right.
The guys who always started the most shit with me were tiny little bastards.
Caber McJock
"Sounds like someone’s misbehaved at the bar a few times.
I expect whatever you got, you deserved it. "
LOL misbehaved, do you not think that most bouncers have a chip on their shoulder or is the fact that they ARE wankers what is bothering you???
And Goldberg, when you’re a short ass like me EVERYONE is going to be bigger than you so there is no difference if you weigh 190lbs or 250lbs.
You make a good point, Scrub. I guess it’s just me personally, but I’m willing to suffer shitty unfair consequences just to prove a point. Maybe that’s just insecurity, I don’t know. Yeah I am in high school, so things are alot different. Sometimes reality just sucks ass.
Threepac,
Your reality is what you make it!
Display anger and people around you will give that anger back- Show love and acceptance and you will be shown love as well.
It’s a circle man!
Hey guys, just thought I would put my two cents in…I look at it from a different point of view. I am a cop and have been in my fair share of scraps. I can remember the first time I got it handed to me…Of course I was just a rookie and thought I was a real bad ass…I thought the uniform was something that people would respect and was not even worried about getting my ass kicked…
I jacked up this guy one night who just whooped my ass!!! I was all cool and stuff, had the attitude and told this guy he was going to jail for being drunk. He looked at me and said, " I aint goin nowhere asshole!!!" I thought to myself, " Im a freakin cop with a gun, you cant talk to me like that!" I mean you cant go around shootin people cause they dont listen to you, so I told him he better get in the car or else.
He walked over to the car and assumed the position when he turned around and just knocked me square in the melon. I was shocked as I fell to the ground. From that point, it was just me and him, no one else around and it was go time. Im not a real small person at 6 ft. bout 200 lbs, but this guy was so much stronger than me.
So, he hit me a few more times and the only thing I was thinkin was knock this mother fucker in the nuts or eyes or something…I managed to get up and kicked this guy in the nuts as hard as I could and that was the ticket, he fell like a rock.
I took some ribbing from the guys and after my back up got there, I suffered a broken nose and some cuts and stuff, but I did what I had to do to survive!!
I have a totally different attitude now, and I think everyone gets it handed to them once in while. It makes you a better person I think in some ways and does a hell of a job on your ego.
Im a 10 year guy now and although dont go looking for fights, they still happen…Its part of the job…
I just cant wait to hear the responses that I just opened myself up to!!
Bedz,
Congratulations on not getting dead! Now make your choice. Silverback posted some great stuff. The absolute only thing to add is to stay away from any “art” or “style” which has stances or techniques or crap like that. In the real world those things don’t work.
Contrary to the advise offered I would stay away from a school strictly devoted to grappling. You don’t want to program yourself to grapple someone you could merely walk away from. Look into the works of Richard Dimitri’s “Senshido” or Sammy Franco’s “Contemporary Fighting Arts”. I’ve trained with both and their books and tapes discuss your situation and more.
Expanding on Silverback’s post: Once the fight is over the real fight begins. Bystanders, police, courtrooms, lawyers, judges, fees, money and if you caused permament damage then your going to pay, jailtime or civil suit. Trust me it happens and it’s amazing how the big bastard who was trying to kill you outside the bar is now some wimpering, innocent “victim” who just lied his ass off on the stand. Oh and once the jury is presented with the fact that you knew MMA…
Learn the psychology of fights. Learn to read the signs. Learn what to say and what not to say. Learn to be deceptive. Learn that it’s more than just how to throw a punch but why are you throwing it. Once you study and I mean really study fighting and the psychology behind it you’ll see that the majority of fights are ego driven. Fight to save your life or the lives of those you love not your ego. BTW, don’t fall for the lie that you’d fought harder if your loved one was there. The same steel toe boot to the shin will take your resolve to defend them. Read situations and you’ll avoid the majority. There’s a time for “kill or be killed” but most of the time it’s “live and let live”.
I’ll end it with this: Begin to think more like the predator and less like the prey. Look for the ambush points. Look for the weak individuals. Those who ooze “prey”. Look for the predators. Notice them and study them.
Keep you head up!
Bedz,
Congratulations on not getting dead! Now make your choice. Silverback posted some great stuff. The absolute only thing to add is to stay away from any “art” or “style” which has stances or techniques or crap like that. In the real world those things don’t work.
Contrary to the advise offered I would stay away from a school strictly devoted to grappling. You don’t want to program yourself to grapple someone you could merely walk away from. Look into the works of Richard Dimitri’s “Senshido” or Sammy Franco’s “Contemporary Fighting Arts”. I’ve trained with both and their books and tapes discuss your situation and more.
Expanding on Silverback’s post: Once the fight is over the real fight begins. Bystanders, police, courtrooms, lawyers, judges, fees, money and if you caused permament damage then your going to pay, jailtime or civil suit. Trust me it happens and it’s amazing how the big bastard who was trying to kill you outside the bar is now some wimpering, innocent “victim” who just lied his ass off on the stand. Oh and once the jury is presented with the fact that you knew MMA…
Learn the psychology of fights. Learn to read the signs. Learn what to say and what not to say. Learn to be deceptive. Learn that it’s more than just how to throw a punch but why are you throwing it. Once you study and I mean really study fighting and the psychology behind it you’ll see that the majority of fights are ego driven. Fight to save your life or the lives of those you love not your ego. BTW, don’t fall for the lie that you’d fought harder if your loved one was there. The same steel toe boot to the shin will take your resolve to defend them. Read situations and you’ll avoid the majority. There’s a time for “kill or be killed” but most of the time it’s “live and let live”.
I’ll end it with this: Begin to think more like the predator and less like the prey. Look for the ambush points. Look for the weak individuals. Those who ooze “prey”. Look for the predators. Notice them and study them.
Keep you head up!
G, that was YOU? You da man!
Crazy beats big every time.
“LOL misbehaved, do you not think that most bouncers have a chip on their shoulder or is the fact that they ARE wankers what is bothering you???”
Maybe things are different where you are (UK?)- though I doubt it- but here most bouncers are just guys doing a job.
That was the case for me anyway, it was a great job to have while going to University.
I didn’t have a chip on my shoulder, I had bills to pay.
I have worked with a few guys who did, admittedly, but there weren’t many.
There are a lot of bouncers and former doormen here on the forum and I think it’s kind of pathetic that you would label all the same after I can only assume was a bad experience.
Your reply makes me fel quite certain that whatever you got, you earned.
Well you’re right, firstly a job’s a job and secondly they are meant to be there for our security.
Actually I have hardly ever had problems with bouncers, it’s just that when you do have a problem their ego gets in the way first before their reasoning.
Anyways didn’t mean to call you a wanker it just came out.
It’s a cold world, better pack your own heat.
Do whatever you gotta do to not end up like either punk on this video:
http://69.28.156.67/a65/o1/portal/2481847_200.asf
Now theres a case where that kid was lucky nobody smoked him.
Man that was some stoopid sum bitch, if I was one of those people around I would have run him over.
Dam Kuri, Now that is one Punks ass kid that deserves an ass whipping.
That video clip was a perfect example of someone letting their anger put them in a dangerous situation out of their depth.
The guy in the white shirt shouldn’t have got involved if he wasn’t prepared to throw down. And he ended up wearing a skate-board because of it!
Don’t go into an altercation without being prepared for the worst.
OH FUCK! That fucking cocksucker with that skateboard would of had his fucking head smashed in. Jesus that just pissed me off so much.
That kid that got knocked out shouldn’t even have messed around knocking that jagoffs hat off. He should of ran up behind up behind him and put a fucking boot right to the side of his head… then punted his teeth, and left him there to bleed.
I’m sorry to hear that happened to you.
Awareness would have been your best tool in that situation. Just like driving between a couple of tractor-trailers, you need to be more careful walking through a group of guys who are all bigger than you. If something goes wrong, the odds are way too much against you. Like you said, even if you knew what to do, you couldn’t react in time for it to have made a difference.
This doesn’t make you a pussy; it makes you unlucky and a bit unwise. It sounds like you’ve learned from the experience, so don’t give yourself a hard time.
Also, GFH and that will dramatically decrease the number of people that can throw you around like a rag doll. A positive outcome from these situations is almost impossible to attain, so do your best to avoid this kind of stuff.