One more though: Should I move up the pull ups towards the beginning of my workout? I’m asking because by the time I get to them, I’m shot and I won’t do more than 4 per set.
This is pretty much how my pull day looks like: warmup, power cleans, deadlifts, bent-over rows, pull ups, seated rows, core work(bridges, planks, cable wood chopper)
So do you suggest I put the pull ups earlier, or is this something I shouldn’t even be concerned about and just do my fucking workout?
And thanks again, I would still be eating donuts and chinese food without you guys and others
It isn’t about doing exactly what this or that guy did to get size. Cause every person is different. You need to experiment with exercises and see which ones work best for you, not for that guy cause he already figured out what works for him.
I favor rack deadlifts/rows over floor deadlifts. Cause I hitch over to much on floor deads and my lowerback sometimes gets fried before the rest of my body.
I do chinups/pullups and supinated close grip pulldowns. Both have their purpose.
Again if you do an exercise and you don’t feel the muscle your targeting getting blasted. Why keep doing it? It doesn’t make sense. Focus more on feeling the muscles work first and getting them properly exhausted then worry about adding more load later.
like I’ve heard joe defranco state before for skinny guys. We will always benefit greatly with 6+ reps. If size is the goal. Once in a while I like lifting heavy shit (3-5 reps) for shits n giggles. Yet I know it’s not sufficient enough to add mass in the long run.
What says you can’t do your pullups to failure(or use bands for assistance), then do pulldowns after to get a little more volume. Especially if you can only get 4 pullups per set.
[quote]jCaesar88 wrote:
Guys, thank you, this is some good info.
One more though: Should I move up the pull ups towards the beginning of my workout? I’m asking because by the time I get to them, I’m shot and I won’t do more than 4 per set.
This is pretty much how my pull day looks like: warmup, power cleans, deadlifts, bent-over rows, pull ups, seated rows, core work(bridges, planks, cable wood chopper)
So do you suggest I put the pull ups earlier, or is this something I shouldn’t even be concerned about and just do my fucking workout?
And thanks again, I would still be eating donuts and chinese food without you guys and others[/quote]
I would do it earlier than later. It is a compound movement and as such requires a good deal of energy. I would possibly put it before rows. But you also have a packed day(ie cleans, deads, rows), so if you find yourself not putting everything you got into your ex’s, maybe drop one exercise(I’d suggest dropping the cleans).
While cleans are great, they require alot of explosive power, so that might be too draining.
Just remember to focus on the contraction at the top of each pull…that back will come along real fast!
[quote]jCaesar88 wrote:
Guys, thank you, this is some good info.
One more though: Should I move up the pull ups towards the beginning of my workout? I’m asking because by the time I get to them, I’m shot and I won’t do more than 4 per set.
This is pretty much how my pull day looks like: warmup, power cleans, deadlifts, bent-over rows, pull ups, seated rows, core work(bridges, planks, cable wood chopper)
So do you suggest I put the pull ups earlier, or is this something I shouldn’t even be concerned about and just do my fucking workout?
And thanks again, I would still be eating donuts and chinese food without you guys and others[/quote]
That’s 5 different exercises. If you are going hard I doubt you can do them all justice. Personally, I can’t do barbell rows after deads…too much for my lower back. DB rows are better for me.
You might consider cutting back to 2 (my preference) or maybe 3 movements. Cycle them if you want…deads and pullups one back day, power cleans (not my favorite) and rows the next. Don’t get sucked into trying to do everything all at once. Focus.
[quote]jCaesar88 wrote:
Fuck I forgot to mention that I DO eat NOW, so you can skip that one.
matsm21 and wfifer- yeah I know I have no everything, but I feel like taking care of the posterior chain will help me put on mass better and quicker. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
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And to all of you- THANKS![/quote]
Yes, your line of thinking is correct, but you are “sweating the details”, so to speak. Just go for the overall picture, without worrying specifically about your back, chest, etc. Deadlifts will be great. I wish I had started doing them as soon as I started lifting, they have made a huge difference. I also agree with Stu 100% on the pullups. When I finally started doing them, I had to use the assistance machine for them. I’ve since been able to progress and now see that they have made a huge difference strength and physique wise.
Yes, your line of thinking is correct, but you are “sweating the details”, so to speak. Just go for the overall picture, without worrying specifically about your back, chest, etc.
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To the OP: have you a solid program? Don’t focus on bodypart before you get to a “decent” level… I would suggest you to pick a simple, beginner routine (like Starting Strength from Rippetoe or Westside For Skinny Bastard) and stick with it long enough (check out for strength chart to see what “intermediate level” is). Be consistent!
[quote]Da Vinci wrote:
When I was 17 I built up my back doing the mad russians bear scheme using deadlifts; it’s been disproportionately big ever since.[/quote]
Had to look up Russian bear program. Is this the scheme you used?
[quote]NewDamage wrote:
Itchy wrote:
Your back is small because you weigh 165 lbs. Gain 40 lbs. Problem solved.
Oh, and x2 on the nude pics of your girlfriend.
Quoted for TRUTH!!!
Jesus you weigh 165. Do the common exercises and gain a bunch of weight over a few years and your back won’t suck.
at 165 and 6’1" you won’t have a good back.
Again at 165 - what do you expect?[/quote]
Perhaps I wasn’t clear enough: I didn’t expect to have a back at my height/weight. I was just stating the obvious so I can get some input. I was ALWAYS skinny. Since I was born.
And if you think 6’1" and 165lbs is bad, you should see me last year when I “cut down” to 147. Sickness
[quote]jCaesar88 wrote:
I’m also confused about why is everyone telling me to drop the cleans. I know that they’re an explosive exercise, but I thought that was a good thing?[/quote]
I think the general consensus here is that there are better exercises for BB purposes. Plus, the learning curve for a clean is pretty slow.
How do you like pullovers? I’ve never tried them and just felt they weren’t needed. Do you feel they’re helping out?[/quote]
Theyre ok. I get a good stretch from them and you can never have too much back width. A lot of the work I do emphasizes thickness but I have a really narrow waist so any width I accquire looks especially pronounced. If I ever split my back up into a width day and a thicnkness day I’d do them more often.