[quote]doogie wrote:
Vroom, you sound like a douchebag. You are trying to apply shades of grey to a black and white system.
Short lesson for ya:
We have a two party system. One is roughly conservative, one is roughly liberal. We support the party that most closely mirrors our values. We want that party to remain in power (even if they do make stupid mistakes). Continuing to support that party does not make any of us kool-aid drinkers. It makes us pragmatists. Better to support the party that generally agrees with our values than allow the other to take control.[/quote]
Okay, so you are then telling me that your values include gay molestation of young men?
[quote]vroom wrote:
doogie wrote:
Vroom, you sound like a douchebag. You are trying to apply shades of grey to a black and white system.
Short lesson for ya:
We have a two party system. One is roughly conservative, one is roughly liberal. We support the party that most closely mirrors our values. We want that party to remain in power (even if they do make stupid mistakes). Continuing to support that party does not make any of us kool-aid drinkers. It makes us pragmatists. Better to support the party that generally agrees with our values than allow the other to take control.
Okay, so you are then telling me that your values include gay molestation of young men?
Now it all makes sense…[/quote]
douche, douche, douche.
I’ve already stated Foley needs a bullet if he was harassing underage kids. I’ve written about my feelings on pedophiles many times.
HOWEVER, that has no bearing on whether or not I still don’t want to see democrats take control of congress.
[quote]Brad61 wrote:
hedo wrote:
Do you think the story and timing were not motivated by politics?
Can’t say I catch your meaning.
So a Republican leaks the story to ABC a month before the elections, and… what.
Explain.
I generally agree, but he is NOT a pedophile…
He would have to want to have sex with children in order to be a pedophile…
There are pages in the program who are 15 and 16 years old.
Also pedophilia crimes are not limited to fucking and sucking. For example you can go to jail in America just for downloading child porn.
Not actual contact with a child or photographing the child. Just for viewing the photos in the privacy of your own home.
Maybe the laws are more lenient in Austria.
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Whether it was leaked and who it was leaked to remains to be seen. As it now appears it was leaked to a blog that was created to run with this story. The owners of the blog remain hidden…but won’tfor long. A classic politcal smear. Again what he did was wrong but the release and subsequent actions were planned to score politcal points.
So my question again is do you think the story and timing were “exposed” to save the pages or for political purposes?
I’ve already stated Foley needs a bullet if he was harassing underage kids. I’ve written about my feelings on pedophiles many times.
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As far as we can tell, there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that he is a pedophile… (I haven’t watched news today, maybe there is something I’m missing)?
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HOWEVER, that has no bearing on whether or not I still don’t want to see democrats take control of congress.[/quote]
Well, why didn’t you just say that instead of launching into your douche tirade?
Maybe you missed the slant of my question though, how come the REPUBLICANS or CONSERVATIVES seem to be deserting the party in droves, at least with respect to polls asking about voting expectations?
[quote]hedo wrote:
So my question again is do you think the story and timing were “exposed” to save the pages or for political purposes?
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Sometimes life blesses people with the ability to kill two birds with only one stone…
I know you are programmed to question motives as if they are more important than the underlying issues, but one of these days there will be items that aren’t that easy to dodge. Oh wait, this seems to be one of them!
Maybe you missed the slant of my question though, how come the REPUBLICANS or CONSERVATIVES seem to be deserting the party in droves, at least with respect to polls asking about voting expectations?[/quote]
They aren’t. The base is rallying behind the cries of “dirty tricks by the dems” and “failed October surprise.” This will ultimately increase Republican turnout.
[quote]vroom wrote:
hedo wrote:
So my question again is do you think the story and timing were “exposed” to save the pages or for political purposes?
Sometimes life blesses people with the ability to kill two birds with only one stone…
I know you are programmed to question motives as if they are more important than the underlying issues, but one of these days there will be items that aren’t that easy to dodge. Oh wait, this seems to be one of them![/quote]
Funny man. Your so brainwashed you don’t even realize it anymore.
Clearly the enlightened Dems only had the best interests of the pages at heart. The political fallout was simply unfortunate.
Your just pretending to be naive right?
I’m sure you just skimmed over the part where I stated what he did was wrong…you know while you were smelling the dasies perhaps.
[quote]doogie wrote:
They aren’t. The base is rallying behind the cries of “dirty tricks by the dems” and “failed October surprise.” This will ultimately increase Republican turnout.[/quote]
Wow, the conservative base on FOX must be different than the conservative base on CNN. What a surprise!
You truly believe misconduct by a republican is the fault of democrats? Damn, after Clinton the democrats should have won by a landslide, using your logic.
Check your logic bucky, it’s wheels are falling off.
[quote]hedo wrote:
Brad61 wrote:
hedo wrote:
To think it wasn’t politically motivated is naive. It’s still wrong but the motivations behind breaking the story are pure politics.
Do you think the story and timing were not motivated by politics?
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No. He doesn’t. Brad is rapidly becomeing the most Soros-like ABBer in the history of T-Nation. He is void of a logical position, and demands documented proof that the sky is indeed blue.
How in the hell do you expect him to see something so blatantly obvious as the timing of this “leak”?
While Pelosi is out faking her “concern for the children” - why not ask ABC when the republican staffer offered them the information?
[quote]vroom wrote:
doogie wrote:
They aren’t. The base is rallying behind the cries of “dirty tricks by the dems” and “failed October surprise.” This will ultimately increase Republican turnout.
Wow, the conservative base on FOX must be different than the conservative base on CNN. What a surprise!
You truly believe misconduct by a republican is the fault of democrats?
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I said no such thing. I said it will rally the base. And it will.
Your logic is, as usual, screwed. Dems and Reps are not the same. Different things rally their bases. You should’ve learned this stuff by now, even if you are Canadian.
Will you admit how terribly wrong you were on the evening of Nov. 7?
[quote]vroom wrote:
doogie wrote:
They aren’t. The base is rallying behind the cries of “dirty tricks by the dems” and “failed October surprise.” This will ultimately increase Republican turnout.
Wow, the conservative base on FOX must be different than the conservative base on CNN. What a surprise!
You truly believe misconduct by a republican is the fault of democrats? Damn, after Clinton the democrats should have won by a landslide, using your logic.
Check your logic bucky, it’s wheels are falling off.
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It is misconduct by an elected representitive–who happens to be Rep. And that is a big difference as to the way you want to portray this. This is not a party problem. It really is that simple. Who in their right mind is saying this is a rep problem.
You guys are arguing like the party is the fault. I think most reasonable people see the issue here and it won’t have one effect on the election.
isn’t foley just another poor, victimized gay american? i mean, sure he didn’t sodomize a member of his staff in his office…then promote that guy to lofty position…something like…i don’t know…head of homeland security in the state of new jersey.
at least that’s not alleged yet. but maybe he can go on oprah and cry about it and we can all applaud his courage. but…that’s a few years off.
different rules for libs, i think. a democrat fucks some guy and he’s a victimized gay american. a conservative does it…well…[/quote]
hmmm. yeah seems like that governor resigned in disgrace.
Same as Foley.
'cept not with kids.
so those would be the same rules.
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
vroom wrote:
doogie wrote:
They aren’t. The base is rallying behind the cries of “dirty tricks by the dems” and “failed October surprise.” This will ultimately increase Republican turnout.
Wow, the conservative base on FOX must be different than the conservative base on CNN. What a surprise!
You truly believe misconduct by a republican is the fault of democrats? Damn, after Clinton the democrats should have won by a landslide, using your logic.
Check your logic bucky, it’s wheels are falling off.
It is misconduct by an elected representitive–who happens to be Rep. And that is a big difference as to the way you want to portray this. This is not a party problem. It really is that simple. Who in their right mind is saying this is a rep problem.
You guys are arguing like the party is the fault. I think most reasonable people see the issue here and it won’t have one effect on the election.[/quote]
Actually, were just doing what your party told us to do…you see your guys made a contract, a contract for america so to speak in which your guys said:
“[I]n this era of official evasion and posturing, we offer instead a detailed agenda for national renewal…To restore accountability to Congress. To end its cycle of scandal and disgrace. To make us all proud again of the way free people govern themselves.”
followed with
“If we break this Contract [with America], throw us out.”
So since they’ve clearly broken said contract(Foley’s just piling on here)
shouldn’t we throw them out? I mean I KNOW you’re gonna honor the contract, but why hate us for honoring it too?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
hedo wrote:
Brad61 wrote:
hedo wrote:
To think it wasn’t politically motivated is naive. It’s still wrong but the motivations behind breaking the story are pure politics.
Do you think the story and timing were not motivated by politics?
No. He doesn’t. Brad is rapidly becomeing the most Soros-like ABBer in the history of T-Nation. He is void of a logical position, and demands documented proof that the sky is indeed blue.
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You forgot that he demands proof while providing none himself!
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
You guys are arguing like the party is the fault. I think most reasonable people see the issue here and it won’t have one effect on the election.[/quote]
Sasquatch,
I’m reflecting on the polls showing that republicans are stating that they will not vote republican.
Funny how this is being attacked like it is my opinion or that I don’t understand the situation.
Again, I’m asking, why is this affecting so many republicans, or conservatives, in this way, as suggested by recent polls?
I’ve conjectured it is because Foley is gay and subject is male sex.
isn’t foley just another poor, victimized gay american? i mean, sure he didn’t sodomize a member of his staff in his office…then promote that guy to lofty position…something like…i don’t know…head of homeland security in the state of new jersey. at least that’s not alleged yet. but maybe he can go on oprah and cry about it and we can all applaud his courage. but…that’s a few years off.
different rules for libs, i think. a democrat fucks some guy and he’s a victimized gay american. a conservative does it…well…[/quote]
He’s a fucking pedophile you dumb fucking ass. I don’t give a shit that he’s gay- I think gay republicans are very ironic, and I like irony.
But not kid-touchers.
Fuck, don’t you have to go clean your mansion or something?