Dems are Dangerously Incompetent

[JeffR]

For anyone who thinks the democrats offer some sort of rational alternative to Republicans, please look at this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Harry-Reid-Rush-Limbaugh-Smear-Letter_W0QQitemZ260170172469QQcategoryZ4105QQcmdZViewItem

For guys like Mike who champion personal liberties and freedom of speech, this should raise MANY red flags.

In my opinion, this is what happens when people vote “anyone but…” and the party who wins, hasn’t undergone the self-reflection and self-analysis necessary to be productive leaders.

For those of you who are tempted to drool out the tired “Well the Republicans…” remember that this letter is tantamount to socialism.

Translation: In the democratic mind, if you oppose us, we will distort, smear, and attack you until you are SILENCED.

Further, it should be noted that you are paying for the Senators to act like this.

This Congress is turning out to be one of the worst in history.

Regardless of your party affiliation, this should SICKEN you.

JeffR

[pat]

The guy who pays 2 mil for that letter is the biggest idiot on earth.

[Headhunter]

[quote]pat36 wrote:
The guy who pays 2 mil for that letter is the biggest idiot on earth.[/quote]

Yeah, I’ll write any letter he wants and he only has to pay me a mil. ;D

[rainjack]

[quote]pat36 wrote:
The guy who pays 2 mil for that letter is the biggest idiot on earth.[/quote]

The proceeds go to a military support organization - so it is not a total waste - plus with the way the stock market is going to finish, a $2 million charitable donation may be a pretty good idea.

Sadly - there is little difference between the parties anymore. Especially in Congress. It could have very easily been a bunch of republicans signing that letter.

[Beowolf]

[quote]rainjack wrote:
pat36 wrote:
The guy who pays 2 mil for that letter is the biggest idiot on earth.

The proceeds go to a military support organization - so it is not a total waste - plus with the way the stock market is going to finish, a $2 million charitable donation may be a pretty good idea.

Sadly - there is little difference between the parties anymore. Especially in Congress. It could have very easily been a bunch of republicans signing that letter.

[/quote]

Exactly. No difference So vote by policy. Duh.

[Mikeyali]

[quote]JeffR wrote:
For anyone who thinks the democrats offer some sort of rational alternative to Republicans, please look at this:[quote]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Harry-Reid-Rush-Limbaugh-Smear-Letter_W0QQitemZ260170172469QQcategoryZ4105QQcmdZViewItem

For guys like Mike who champion personal liberties and freedom of speech, this should raise MANY red flags.

In my opinion, this is what happens when people vote “anyone but…” and the party who wins, hasn’t undergone the self-reflection and self-analysis necessary to be productive leaders.

For those of you who are tempted to drool out the tired “Well the Republicans…” remember that this letter is tantamount to socialism.

Translation: In the democratic mind, if you oppose us, we will distort, smear, and attack you until you are SILENCED.

Further, it should be noted that you are paying for the Senators to act like this.

This Congress is turning out to be one of the worst in history.

Regardless of your party affiliation, this should SICKEN you.

JeffR[/quote]

None of this surprises me. I still cannot figure out my own malfunction. There is a part of me that still sees the Republicans as good guys. I recognize this not to be true, but at the same time when I look at the opposition they are that much worse. Actually, they’re pretty close to the same. The only difference is that the Democrats are open socialists while the Republicans are closet socialists.

I guess I still think of the Republicans are the “good guys” in the back of my head because they can still claim the likes of Ronald Reagan, Barry Goldwater, and (yes JeffR) Ron Paul. Despite your dislike of the man, could you really see him having any success as a Democrat? Of course not.

Democrats as a party are totalitarians. Republicans as a party are liars and corrupt, but at least their party platform is more freedom oriented. The only problem is that they don’t follow their party platform. They either pander to the totalitarians in the religious right (Bush), or they move to the left to win swing voters, putting them more in bed with those damned socialists (Guiliani, Romney).

Both sides are obviously a threat to liberty. Hell, I think the closest guy to getting it all the way right in the last 100 years was Goldwater. Free men are a problem to EVERYONE. I’m going to pull this out of a Heinlein novel I read a few weeks ago:

“When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, ‘This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know,’ the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, nor fission bombs, not anything–you can’t conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him.”

Free men don’t play nice. You cannot get a group of them to agree on anything. This makes free men a pain in the ass for any government. This makes them especially a pain in the ass when government wishes to overstep its bounds, something we all can agree on. The problem is that most of us are no longer free thinkers, thanks in part to government schooling, the police state, American Idol and so on. So the only thing you can do is kill free men.

Didn’t mean for this post to go so long…damn.

mike

[rainjack]

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
rainjack wrote:
pat36 wrote:
The guy who pays 2 mil for that letter is the biggest idiot on earth.

The proceeds go to a military support organization - so it is not a total waste - plus with the way the stock market is going to finish, a $2 million charitable donation may be a pretty good idea.

Sadly - there is little difference between the parties anymore. Especially in Congress. It could have very easily been a bunch of republicans signing that letter.

Exactly. No difference So vote by policy. Duh.

[/quote]

What difference does that make? Voting on policy or issues is no guarantee that your candidate will vote the way he campaigned.

Party voting is the only way you are going to get the most of what you want with the least of what you don’t.

But at the end of the day - until there is a revolution of sorts - Congress is a bunch of power hungry thieves.

[JeffR]

[quote]rainjack wrote:
pat36 wrote:
The guy who pays 2 mil for that letter is the biggest idiot on earth.

The proceeds go to a military support organization - so it is not a total waste - plus with the way the stock market is going to finish, a $2 million charitable donation may be a pretty good idea.

Sadly - there is little difference between the parties anymore. Especially in Congress. It could have very easily been a bunch of republicans signing that letter.

[/quote]

Rain,

I’m surprised by your comment.

I ABSOLUTELY disagree with your assertion. In fact, try it out. Can you seriously imagine a Republican Congress spending your money writing to the sponsors of al franken?

I cannot.

They would be rightly pilloried to high heaven. They’d be accused of restricting free speech.

I am by no means a Rush sycophant. However, I support his right to say whatever he thinks. If he feels that the democrats are space aliens, he should be free to make that assertion without fear of reprisal.

This was an attempt at silencing a PRIVATE citizen. Further, it was a party trying to salve their guilty conscience regarding troop support by MANUFACTURING an issue.

If you read the signatures, there are many of these self-same “holier than thou, Rush” people who VOTED TO CUT FUNDS TO THE TROOPS IN IRAQ.

Finally, by putting this on Ebay, raising 2 million, donating it to the troops, and then MATCHING OUT OF HIS OWN POCKET THE 2 MILLION, he has given the most effective middle finger to a Senatorial cabal in modern history.

I’m saddened that there aren’t dems on this site SCREAMING for reid’s political head.

I’ll tell you what, when I meet a fence sitter during the 2008 campaign, I’m going to look right at him/her and say, “Do you want socialists and do nothings on the order of the current Congress controlling all the branches of government?” Or, “Do you want to reward a party who puts personal vendettas above the public good. If you disagree publicly, they’ll put pressure on your bosses to get you fired or disgraced.”

These are the clowns who raise holy hell about the Patriot Act?

Thanks to all of you asswipes who either didn’t vote or voted for democrats in 2006.

JeffR

[JeffR]

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
JeffR wrote:
For anyone who thinks the democrats offer some sort of rational alternative to Republicans, please look at this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Harry-Reid-Rush-Limbaugh-Smear-Letter_W0QQitemZ260170172469QQcategoryZ4105QQcmdZViewItem

For guys like Mike who champion personal liberties and freedom of speech, this should raise MANY red flags.

In my opinion, this is what happens when people vote “anyone but…” and the party who wins, hasn’t undergone the self-reflection and self-analysis necessary to be productive leaders.

For those of you who are tempted to drool out the tired “Well the Republicans…” remember that this letter is tantamount to socialism.

Translation: In the democratic mind, if you oppose us, we will distort, smear, and attack you until you are SILENCED.

Further, it should be noted that you are paying for the Senators to act like this.

This Congress is turning out to be one of the worst in history.

Regardless of your party affiliation, this should SICKEN you.

JeffR

None of this surprises me. I still cannot figure out my own malfunction. There is a part of me that still sees the Republicans as good guys. I recognize this not to be true, but at the same time when I look at the opposition they are that much worse. Actually, they’re pretty close to the same. The only difference is that the Democrats are open socialists while the Republicans are closet socialists.

I guess I still think of the Republicans are the “good guys” in the back of my head because they can still claim the likes of Ronald Reagan, Barry Goldwater, and (yes JeffR) Ron Paul. Despite your dislike of the man, could you really see him having any success as a Democrat? Of course not.

Democrats as a party are totalitarians. Republicans as a party are liars and corrupt, but at least their party platform is more freedom oriented. The only problem is that they don’t follow their party platform. They either pander to the totalitarians in the religious right (Bush), or they move to the left to win swing voters, putting them more in bed with those damned socialists (Guiliani, Romney).

Both sides are obviously a threat to liberty. Hell, I think the closest guy to getting it all the way right in the last 100 years was Goldwater. Free men are a problem to EVERYONE. I’m going to pull this out of a Heinlein novel I read a few weeks ago:

“When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, ‘This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know,’ the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, nor fission bombs, not anything–you can’t conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him.”

Free men don’t play nice. You cannot get a group of them to agree on anything. This makes free men a pain in the ass for any government. This makes them especially a pain in the ass when government wishes to overstep its bounds, something we all can agree on. The problem is that most of us are no longer free thinkers, thanks in part to government schooling, the police state, American Idol and so on. So the only thing you can do is kill free men.

Didn’t mean for this post to go so long…damn.

mike[/quote]

Mike,

You and I think very differently. However, I can’t help but admire your passion.

JeffR

[JeffR]

Hey dems,

Your fearless leader is now trying to thank Rush and May.

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/6938.html

Absolutely ridiculous and insulting on a grand scale.

Do these democrats have NO SHAME?

JeffR

[SkyzykS]

Isn’t this just one of several condemnations of public figures lately by our beloved government?

Since when is it their business to “condem” or even give a shit about public figures?

[cloakmanor]

Almost all politicians, regardless of party affiliation or country of origin, are dangerously incompetent.

[Mikeyali]

[quote]JeffR wrote:

Mike,

You and I think very differently. However, I can’t help but admire your passion.

JeffR

[/quote]

Well, if it puts your mind at ease, you have no need to fear my vote going to a Democrat. Actually, I may well think much more differently than most people period. Por Exemplo: On a test today I had to write an essay re: how to correct the electoral college. I essentially said that it needed to be done away with, along with the idea of the people directly voting in the president in the first place.

Here in the U.S. we have intricately tied democracy and liberty together, where they are actually two different (though at times complementary) beasts.

I’m actually along the lines of having state primaries, and then having the house choose among the 50 candidates, then having the Senate confirm the pick. It’s an idea still in its infant stage, but I’m more of a Hamilton man than anything, so I’m really trying to tone down the demagogues in this country.

mike

[100meters]

[quote]JeffR wrote:
For anyone who thinks the democrats offer some sort of rational alternative to Republicans, please look at this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Harry-Reid-Rush-Limbaugh-Smear-Letter_W0QQitemZ260170172469QQcategoryZ4105QQcmdZViewItem

For guys like Mike who champion personal liberties and freedom of speech, this should raise MANY red flags.

In my opinion, this is what happens when people vote “anyone but…” and the party who wins, hasn’t undergone the self-reflection and self-analysis necessary to be productive leaders.

For those of you who are tempted to drool out the tired “Well the Republicans…” remember that this letter is tantamount to socialism.

Translation: In the democratic mind, if you oppose us, we will distort, smear, and attack you until you are SILENCED.

Further, it should be noted that you are paying for the Senators to act like this.

This Congress is turning out to be one of the worst in history.

Regardless of your party affiliation, this should SICKEN you.

JeffR[/quote]

Uhmmm…how does this equal dangerously incompetent? Signing a letter?

and hilariously this:“if you oppose us, we will distort, smear, and attack you until you are SILENCED.”
is exactly what the dems are complaining about. I know mouthbreathers such as yourself put on airs about this stuff, but this kind of manufactured outrage seems silly, especially after your fake outrage over the moveon.org ad.

Why not just point to actual areas of incompetence? Like Dems are caving on pardoning telecoms, etc.

[Beowolf]

[quote]JeffR wrote:
rainjack wrote:
pat36 wrote:
The guy who pays 2 mil for that letter is the biggest idiot on earth.

The proceeds go to a military support organization - so it is not a total waste - plus with the way the stock market is going to finish, a $2 million charitable donation may be a pretty good idea.

Sadly - there is little difference between the parties anymore. Especially in Congress. It could have very easily been a bunch of republicans signing that letter.

Rain,

I’m surprised by your comment.

I ABSOLUTELY disagree with your assertion. In fact, try it out. Can you seriously imagine a Republican Congress spending your money writing to the sponsors of al franken?

I cannot.

They would be rightly pilloried to high heaven. They’d be accused of restricting free speech.

I am by no means a Rush sycophant. However, I support his right to say whatever he thinks. If he feels that the democrats are space aliens, he should be free to make that assertion without fear of reprisal.

This was an attempt at silencing a PRIVATE citizen. Further, it was a party trying to salve their guilty conscience regarding troop support by MANUFACTURING an issue.

If you read the signatures, there are many of these self-same “holier than thou, Rush” people who VOTED TO CUT FUNDS TO THE TROOPS IN IRAQ.

Finally, by putting this on Ebay, raising 2 million, donating it to the troops, and then MATCHING OUT OF HIS OWN POCKET THE 2 MILLION, he has given the most effective middle finger to a Senatorial cabal in modern history.

I’m saddened that there aren’t dems on this site SCREAMING for reid’s political head.

I’ll tell you what, when I meet a fence sitter during the 2008 campaign, I’m going to look right at him/her and say, “Do you want socialists and do nothings on the order of the current Congress controlling all the branches of government?” Or, “Do you want to reward a party who puts personal vendettas above the public good. If you disagree publicly, they’ll put pressure on your bosses to get you fired or disgraced.”

These are the clowns who raise holy hell about the Patriot Act?

Thanks to all of you asswipes who either didn’t vote or voted for democrats in 2006.

JeffR
[/quote]

So you put a shit load of spin on a bunch of BS statements. Want a cookie?

Can you imagine a Democratic Congress spending BILLIONS and American lives on a pointless war of aggression WHILE cutting taxes and throwing us even deeper into debt?

Can you believe the Republicans VOTED TO KEEP TROOPS IN IRAQ? I mean they’re DIEING!

And seriously, putting vendettas above public good? Do you seriously want to suggest the GOP hasn’t done this just as much?

The spin can go either way, in the end they’re both corrupt.

[rainjack]

[quote]JeffR wrote:
Rain,

I’m surprised by your comment.

I ABSOLUTELY disagree with your assertion. In fact, try it out. Can you seriously imagine a Republican Congress spending your money writing to the sponsors of al franken?

I cannot.

They would be rightly pilloried to high heaven. They’d be accused of restricting free speech.

[/quote]

Remember the Lindsey Graham’s of Congress who all of a sudden became anti-war because it was the popular thing to do?

This is not much different than a bunch of whiny wimpy little liberals that feel the need to run tattle on Rush.

I stopped giving money to the RNC during the 2004 elections because giving money to anyone that has a DC address is casting pearls before swine.

For me - hell cannot be hot enough for crooked politicians, or liars. Everyone in Washington are both.

Jaded? Your damn right. I usually get that way when my vote is wasted on some SOB that thinks we need to give amnesty to the fucking illegals yet again.

Lies and chicken shit, Jeffy. Washington is so awash in it - you can’t tell if one is a donkey or a pachyderm.

[Carlsbad]

RJ,
You pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Carlsbad

[JeffR]

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
JeffR wrote:
rainjack wrote:
pat36 wrote:
The guy who pays 2 mil for that letter is the biggest idiot on earth.

The proceeds go to a military support organization - so it is not a total waste - plus with the way the stock market is going to finish, a $2 million charitable donation may be a pretty good idea.

Sadly - there is little difference between the parties anymore. Especially in Congress. It could have very easily been a bunch of republicans signing that letter.

Rain,

I’m surprised by your comment.

I ABSOLUTELY disagree with your assertion. In fact, try it out. Can you seriously imagine a Republican Congress spending your money writing to the sponsors of al franken?

I cannot.

They would be rightly pilloried to high heaven. They’d be accused of restricting free speech.

I am by no means a Rush sycophant. However, I support his right to say whatever he thinks. If he feels that the democrats are space aliens, he should be free to make that assertion without fear of reprisal.

This was an attempt at silencing a PRIVATE citizen. Further, it was a party trying to salve their guilty conscience regarding troop support by MANUFACTURING an issue.

If you read the signatures, there are many of these self-same “holier than thou, Rush” people who VOTED TO CUT FUNDS TO THE TROOPS IN IRAQ.

Finally, by putting this on Ebay, raising 2 million, donating it to the troops, and then MATCHING OUT OF HIS OWN POCKET THE 2 MILLION, he has given the most effective middle finger to a Senatorial cabal in modern history.

I’m saddened that there aren’t dems on this site SCREAMING for reid’s political head.

I’ll tell you what, when I meet a fence sitter during the 2008 campaign, I’m going to look right at him/her and say, “Do you want socialists and do nothings on the order of the current Congress controlling all the branches of government?” Or, “Do you want to reward a party who puts personal vendettas above the public good. If you disagree publicly, they’ll put pressure on your bosses to get you fired or disgraced.”

These are the clowns who raise holy hell about the Patriot Act?

Thanks to all of you asswipes who either didn’t vote or voted for democrats in 2006.

JeffR

So you put a shit load of spin on a bunch of BS statements. Want a cookie?

Can you imagine a Democratic Congress spending BILLIONS and American lives on a pointless war of aggression WHILE cutting taxes and throwing us even deeper into debt?

Can you believe the Republicans VOTED TO KEEP TROOPS IN IRAQ? I mean they’re DIEING!

And seriously, putting vendettas above public good? Do you seriously want to suggest the GOP hasn’t done this just as much?

The spin can go either way, in the end they’re both corrupt.

[/quote]

beo,

News flash: The dems voted for the current war. They voted funding many times.

Oh, want more examples of “imagine a Democratic Congress spending BILLIONS and American lives on a pointless war of aggression WHILE cutting taxes and throwing us even deeper into debt?” How about Vietnam?

Finally, I don’t see how anyone can blow off what is obviously an attempt to silence a private citizen.

Again, even if the Republicans had done this 1 million times in the past (which of course they haven’t), IT DOESN’T MAKE IT RIGHT AND SHOULD BE ROUNDLY CONDEMNED.

JeffR

[JeffR]

[quote]100meters wrote:
JeffR wrote:
For anyone who thinks the democrats offer some sort of rational alternative to Republicans, please look at this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Harry-Reid-Rush-Limbaugh-Smear-Letter_W0QQitemZ260170172469QQcategoryZ4105QQcmdZViewItem

For guys like Mike who champion personal liberties and freedom of speech, this should raise MANY red flags.

In my opinion, this is what happens when people vote “anyone but…” and the party who wins, hasn’t undergone the self-reflection and self-analysis necessary to be productive leaders.

For those of you who are tempted to drool out the tired “Well the Republicans…” remember that this letter is tantamount to socialism.

Translation: In the democratic mind, if you oppose us, we will distort, smear, and attack you until you are SILENCED.

Further, it should be noted that you are paying for the Senators to act like this.

This Congress is turning out to be one of the worst in history.

Regardless of your party affiliation, this should SICKEN you.

JeffR

Uhmmm…how does this equal dangerously incompetent? Signing a letter?

and hilariously this:“if you oppose us, we will distort, smear, and attack you until you are SILENCED.”
is exactly what the dems are complaining about. I know mouthbreathers such as yourself put on airs about this stuff, but this kind of manufactured outrage seems silly, especially after your fake outrage over the moveon.org ad.

Why not just point to actual areas of incompetence? Like Dems are caving on pardoning telecoms, etc.
[/quote]

lumpy/100meters/bradley:

I am not surprised that you are failing to condemn an obvious attempt to silence free speech.

You are the party who champions the “Fairness Doctrine.”

Do you celebrate the birth of mao?

JeffR

[anon31651765]

[quote]JeffR wrote:
Hey dems,

Your fearless leader is now trying to thank Rush and May.

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/6938.html

Absolutely ridiculous and insulting on a grand scale.

Do these democrats have NO SHAME?

JeffR[/quote]

You act like it’s just the Democrats that are incompetent. I know you’re a right wing shill, but Christ, stop acting like the Republicans aren’t just as bad. They’re just soliciting gay sex in bathrooms from cops… they’re all fucked up.

I agree with the guy a couple posts up that says all politicians are dangerously incompetent.