For those that stick around:
So? What’s your point?
We can’t quantify the number of people put on shitty protocols like 150/week and feel worse and dropout. We can quantify the number of people jumping ship though.
And btw, I’m not as educated as you or others on here. I mentioned the 500 area because I heard some friends of mine tell me their levels and I asked a endocrine guy yrs ago what he usually sees as an abwrage number for guys and he also said 500’s without T therapy. But I understand that the number doesn’t equal healthy function or not. I understand that some guys may test at 300 yet have a perfectly fine sexual health and a guy may test at 800 and have a fine sexual health. I get that everyone is different. I just know know that 270 or so for “me” is doet low, because I’ve taken T before and when my libido and weections were back to where I felt like myself again…I tested over 500 or so.
Send me your email address and I’ll get roughly 5000 men doing extremely well on 150mg a week and higher to tell you how utterly ridiculous you sound. Are you even being serious right now? We have a physician in this very group who has confirmed, several times, most of his patients are on 150mg or higher and symptom free. You’re an outlier on 50mg a week and have the audacity to claim that 150mg is a shitty protocol? It is a shitty protocol for you!
How did they even let you into this place???
You presume that they’re not feeling like the benefits are worth it. That seems likely, though it’s, of course, multifactorial. However, you also presume that they’re over medicated when you have have essentially zero info for that. You’re chart is meaningless for determining why people may have stopped trt.
yeah…that’s what I said.
I know a PHYSICIAN, in his SIXTIES, who is a TRT patient and his total T is over 3000. Anything less and he falls apart. Why? He was exposed to pesticides since a teen. His body is ruined. He needs a ridiculous level of testosterone just to feel normal. Not a muscular man by any stretch of the imagination. Tall and wirey.
Dose and serum levels mean NOTHING.
Well last year you were recommending 200mg. It’s progress that you’re now recommending 150. Maybe we’ll see 75-100 next year. Time will tell.
No we won’t. I have maybe 10 guys doing less than 100mg a week out of maybe 2000.
So when I do my next consult tomorrow morning, to even think that this guy is going to be one of those would be pure insanity. No, I will put my bet on the most likely outcome to start as I should
Tons of docs STARTING men at 200 and having great success. I’m trying to be a bit more conservative starting at 150mg instead, just to play it safe. I’d have to be a pure idiot to start them on 100mg based on everything I’ve seen since I’ve been doing this. The evidence is undeniable.
Well now that I’m back to normal libido wise, I’m going to retire here for the night and spend some quality time with the wife.
My parting message to any lurkers. Find out what works best for you. Don’t assume that you’re feeling lousy because high dose pushers are telling you you’re not taking enough. Enjoy your evening folks.
I need to add one more thing:
The vast majority of men who see docs like @highpull get put on a great dose up front, and that’s the end of that.
The guys that come to see me are the outliers. The guys who couldn’t get figured out and they lose faith in their docs. Either because the doc had them on too little or too much. I get the complicated cases. It is because of this that I lowered down to 150mg.
I couldn’t get through the 48 replies since I last looked here, but I’ll add this: on 120/w my trough was as low as I was when I started trt. And I felt significantly better than when I started. There’s an enormous difference between being in the low 300’s for a day vs being in the low 300’s for years. Comparing your trt number to what some other person is at naturally is pretty much going full retard. I cannot imagine how this discussion has gone on this long but my guess is that everyone needs to take a few weeks off from their usual dose because you guys have way too goddamn much energy.
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I think more are using compounding pharmacies. Fewer men are going through their insurance. Those I see that previously used their insurance switched to cash because their doctor would not get their levels to where they needed them, or the insurance company pulled the plug on their treatment. Some used gels which did not work well and their doctors would not allow injections. Some do not want their PCP to know they are on TRT for various reasons. Some no longer need rx because they are using underground sourcing.
Based on the increasing number of TRT clinics, it seems someone is using TRT.
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Does Elevate treat men only? My short TRT journey has made an impression on my wife and she wants to begin a program for herself. She had a hormone panel a couple years ago and her T was something like “3” (don’t recall the scale but it was off the charts on the low side). I don’t recall her E and other results. Her OB/GYN wouldn’t act on it.
Anyway, the question is who do you recommend for telemed HRT for women?
Thanks!