ive been looking at some of the martial arts today.
we have a school near my flat. i dont know, i might just go back to boxing and brush up to increase my confidence… i dunno.
Despite what they say, the OP did the same thing 99% of people would do.
Hmmmmm
While its “commendable” that you rang the police…
I would have to admit if i was getting attacked and my mate pissed off into a room i would be MAJORLY annoyed at him to be honest.
I mean why do you go to the gym… your not big or anything ??
Dunno, i know your looking for “its ok” but it’s not it was YOUR house and you didn’t defend it… learn from this mistake get a baseball bat/gold club SOMETHING if you don’t know or are incapable of defending YOUR home.
http://www.360defence.co.uk/shop/item.asp?itemid=51
i have found this… is it worth it. one day seems strange to me. but its tempting. krav maga sounds like the sort of thing im looking for.
Scott
[quote]thosebananas wrote:
http://www.360defence.co.uk/shop/item.asp?itemid=51
i have found this… is it worth it. one day seems strange to me. but its tempting. krav maga sounds like the sort of thing im looking for.
Scott[/quote]
Pfftt Krav Maga is for old age pensioners who can barely move… i would presume your not one of them ?
Honestly, best bet is Thai Kickboxing or else ask the travellers to teach you… saving that get big and huge in the gym and see how they DONT attack you.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Steve8867 wrote:
But the sword…get some training hell ask bushidoboy about it.
Eh well, I do have my katana by my bed, but I have to be honest and say that it’s only there because I have a dog as an early warning system. If I didn’t I would hide it away; who wants to wake up in the night with a stranger brandishing your own weapon above your head?
And I would only use it for intimidation, IF marauders were intent on gaining access to the upper floor and my fiancee. Otherwise they can just take my TV and whatever else and leave. That shit’s insured and not worth going to prison for anyway if I stab someone over it.
IMO having a weapon is a VERY sticky wicket in these days of ‘burglars have feeling too you know’ liberal BS. There are guys on probation with me who got jumped by 3 guys, and did a bit of damage to them and are “lucky not to be behind bars, you animal” according to the judge.
Think hard before you get your katanas sent over TB. Lets say you had pulled on out (and why having it in your home if you’re not going to use it?) last night. What you gonna do (punk, lol)? You’re not going to impale someone and if you don’t look like you mean to use it, the intruders will laugh and take it off you and maybe slice you for being a c**t in their eyes.
Or say one of your flatmates knows about it and gets it and in a struggle gets killed. How would you feel then? Not good I suspect.
Anyway, my point is: Don’t get your katanas sent over. They are fu*k all use outside a dojo unless you want a lengthy prison sentence.
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LOL !
I would pay to see anyone drag a sword out and brandish it, poor robbers would be “WHAT THE FUCK” the fuck you gonna use it in a hallway anyway, your pretty fucked if they get anywhere close to you !
BAD IDEA
What you did was spot on, and just what the situation needed. You can’t expect to take on 4 armed men with no specific training (like Krav Maga or something) and come out on top.
[quote]thosebananas wrote:
Leif wrote:
It looks like this will be my first post on T-Nation after years of lurking.
I’d tend to agree with the others in this thread, that you may well have been best served by avoiding getting into a fight and simply call the authorities.
I have been in more than my share of street fights. Mostly because my friends and I have a lot enemies, and because some people just love to fight when they’ve been drinking. At one time I actually stepped in unarmed and protected my friends against a numerically superiour, armed(pipes and brass knuckles) contingent of street trash. And things went over extremely well that day and I was dubbed the hero of the day that everybody wanted to buy a drink. But a month later, I got into a similar situation(except none of my friends were there), and that time I was not the hero, but rather the loser ending up with a concussion keeping me out of the gym for weeks as well as a steep bill from the dentist.
What I mean to say is that it is definitely a gamble to get in fights like. What I can say is that you will discover that you’re not made of glass, and it probably wouldn’t have killed you to help your friends, but know that it could have. So with that in mind it’s your decision to make.
The strange thing is that only four people attacked the entire party, and no one did anything to stop them? If that had happened at any party I’ve ever hosted in my adult life, these four would have been beaten to a pulp by all the guests within minutes if they carried anything less than an assult rifle.
when they intiatly entered to my flat mates room the “party” was only 3 girls, and 4 guys. when we finally came onto the scene, 2 of the guys were in no fit state to stand. the girls where all crying and panicking. so it was pretty much 4 on 4 during the whole thing even know we outnumbered them… if that makes sense…
on the street i would have acted completly differently. being from northern ireland etc, im used to a bit of violence here and there. but in my own house is scary as fuck. no time to get an adrenaline rush either. if i had of walked out and seen a few punchs getting thrown or some shoutng or something, then adrenaline may have stepped in. but i opned the door and see 4 guys standing in my flat, one with blood down his shirt… i didnt panic or react, just rang the police. i felt numb[/quote]
I can totally see how it is another thing in one’s own home. I’ve only been in that situation myself once or twice I think. A few of my friends have been beaten up brutally in their homes, or outside of their homes, seeing as how the enemies I referred to in my previous posts know where me and some of my friends live :-).
There is a certain sense of security that is lost when one is stripped of the sanctity of one’s own home, I suppose. I really don’t think about it that much, but I never go out without keeping an extra eye open and my mp3-player switched off.
[quote]MaddyD wrote:
John S. wrote:
Vegg wrote:
John S. wrote:
Vegg wrote:
John S. wrote:
Wtf man. I would be surprised if you had any “mates” after that.
I doubt you’ve ever been in a similar situation.
Don’t assume to know anything about me how about that.
So let me get this straight. You’ve defended people with your bare hands against multiple opponents carrying weapons? If you have, I commend you.
Ive been in fights where me and a few friends have gotten into fights with a group of people, some had weapons some didn’t.
I’m also smart enough to know that if there close enough to punch me in the face that I can tackle there ass there weapon is pretty much useless. from the sounds of his story it was 2-3 of his friends besides him. that more then enough to hand these guys the beating they needed.
And who goes out into the hallway if they think there is a fight going on without at least having a knife on hand. Then again I don’t know the laws there, he does live in a country where its virtually illegal to defend yourself.
Firstly you sir are a fucking idiot, most likely a school kid and never thrown fists ever in your life.
Second the guys were caught and arrested friends were not hurt badly, and why,because someone had to keep their head and call for help.
if no one called for help then there would be one more bloody guy in the floor and nothing more.
it turned out the best it could.
and stop playing the internet tough guy your making yourself look like a pathetic pansy to people that really know better.
Your not fooling anyone so just stop it.
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Yes because know one acts the way I do. That’s why his friends stayed. Its not about being tough maybe its just me but my friends are like my family. But then again I have never had anyone run up on me at my house so who knows that could change everything.
Edit* You did do the right thing and in the end saved your buddies, not the route I would have taken but you with out a doubt took the better route. I was wrong to say you should feel bad about yourself, You probably saved there lives by doing what you did.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Steve8867 wrote:
But the sword…get some training hell ask bushidoboy about it.
Eh well, I do have my katana by my bed, but I have to be honest and say that it’s only there because I have a dog as an early warning system. If I didn’t I would hide it away; who wants to wake up in the night with a stranger brandishing your own weapon above your head?
And I would only use it for intimidation, IF marauders were intent on gaining access to the upper floor and my fiancee. Otherwise they can just take my TV and whatever else and leave. That shit’s insured and not worth going to prison for anyway if I stab someone over it.
IMO having a weapon is a VERY sticky wicket in these days of ‘burglars have feeling too you know’ liberal BS. There are guys on probation with me who got jumped by 3 guys, and did a bit of damage to them and are “lucky not to be behind bars, you animal” according to the judge.
Think hard before you get your katanas sent over TB. Lets say you had pulled on out (and why having it in your home if you’re not going to use it?) last night. What you gonna do (punk, lol)? You’re not going to impale someone and if you don’t look like you mean to use it, the intruders will laugh and take it off you and maybe slice you for being a c**t in their eyes.
Or say one of your flatmates knows about it and gets it and in a struggle gets killed. How would you feel then? Not good I suspect.
Anyway, my point is: Don’t get your katanas sent over. They are fu*k all use outside a dojo unless you want a lengthy prison sentence.
BBB[/quote]
Haha, a friend of mine has one of those under his bed as well ;). He puts himself to sleep using drugs because he is so paranoid that he will be attacked in his home :-).
I actually have a sword myself around the house. A friend gave it to me and I would consider it an intimidating and amusing way of defending myself. But it is of course clearly not worth a try, should the intruders carry firearms.
It’s a fight or flight reflex. If you are not conditioned to violent conflicts or at least in a confrontational mood. It is unlikly your brain would let you do differently.
Anyone that says different, doesn’t no shit. Your brain responded with the proper reflex to survive. You however ran for help and then returned. Your brain is sometimes a little smarter than tour heart.
I learned a long time ago. It’s about who walks away and who doesn’t. I also learned only stupid people attack those with weapons.
With one phone call you got rid of them all. Then you were able to help your friends. The other will now get their just reward for being a bunch of fucking goofs, thanks to you.
looks good for the two seconds I looked at it. Just before warned that a martial art, any form of combat actually, you will have to spend time developing the skill with yourself. Because you are not used to the movements and it takes muscle memory to be a bad ass fighter. You can NOT be a functional in combat after a few weekends, I don?t care what any sales person says. It takes time to develop a skill.
A friend took on a total stranger. There was a creepy guy around the his apartment complex, he was a rapist and wanted by the police because there had been a few rapes/attacks. My friend saw him acting all suspicious. He asked him what was up and it went from there. I met that friend at a kickboxing club and he took me to other MMA clubs.
I always heard stories about the guys who did amazing things in the real world. Yeah it was all hear say, but go to the Gracie homepage http://www.gracieacademy.com/ if you want to be able to learn about proven techniques and the best form of MMA IMHO. You tube it as well 
After you learn what and how to do things your body will react without thinking, while remaining calm if that makes sense?
Don?t beat yourself up too bad. The majority of people are scared of getting hurt, possibly dying (I don?t understand why? I understand if they have kids). On the internet everyone talks a big show. No worries At least you did something, other than sitting in your room crying because some bad things were happening.
[quote]thosebananas wrote:
http://www.360defence.co.uk/shop/item.asp?itemid=51
i have found this… is it worth it. one day seems strange to me. but its tempting. krav maga sounds like the sort of thing im looking for.
Scott[/quote]
I hate the liberal bullshit also… During school three guys were harassing me and my brother and I was gona let it go (twins in same class) we were sitting around and ignoring them (I dont like the chance of getting kicked out of school for bullshit like that) and people were getting pissed at em for bugging us…and I had enough and got up and started screaming in there faces …you wana fuck with me ect.I wanted to beat the shit out of em but controlled myself…they all ran into the corner of the room and coward like the pussies they are.My bro decided to file a harassment report… The school officer questioned me about pushing one of them…wow.
gay shit.
You ran because you didn’t think you could take them. The act was an admission of physical inferiority, but if you couldn’t have taken them, then you couldn’t have taken them. So you really did the rational thing in my mind.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
thosebananas wrote:
ive been looking at some of the martial arts today.
we have a school near my flat. i dont know, i might just go back to boxing and brush up to increase my confidence… i dunno.
Boxing? No good, becuase it limits you to using your hands only. Why stop there, when a straight kick to the solar plexus or liver, can cripple the opponent from much further away than a punch. The best bit is you can hold your hand up in mock surrender and whilst he’s looking at them, you deliver the kick.
Also, elbows and head are useful weapons in a confined space like a hallway, yet boxing won’t teach you to use them.
BBB[/quote]
What do you think about wrestling, or some style that can bring it to the ground. If he’s worried about another incident like this then taking it to the ground would pretty much make most of there weapons useless wouldn’t you agree?
im definatly worried about it happening again.
a bar just opened right below us and i think this may have something to do with the attack. always been quiet until this bar opened.
going to post about that krav maga course in the combat section and see what they think. im interested in it.
[quote]John S. wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
thosebananas wrote:
ive been looking at some of the martial arts today.
we have a school near my flat. i dont know, i might just go back to boxing and brush up to increase my confidence… i dunno.
Boxing? No good, becuase it limits you to using your hands only. Why stop there, when a straight kick to the solar plexus or liver, can cripple the opponent from much further away than a punch. The best bit is you can hold your hand up in mock surrender and whilst he’s looking at them, you deliver the kick.
Also, elbows and head are useful weapons in a confined space like a hallway, yet boxing won’t teach you to use them.
BBB
What do you think about wrestling, or some style that can bring it to the ground. If he’s worried about another incident like this then taking it to the ground would pretty much make most of there weapons useless wouldn’t you agree?[/quote]
Taking it to the ground in a group situation is a recipe for bad times. The friends could join, and its pretty hard to defend yourself in that situation. For one on ones, its good. In my opinion however, other arts are required to give it true real world usefulness.
Example: BJJ. Great for submissions, taking it to the ground, clinching and generally disabling an opponent. However, its a sport, it has rules. You can pretty much guarantee that your opponent, even when competing, isn’t going to go for your eyes, and is going to let go when you tap out. Real life doesnt, hence the need to apply other arts, or a spot of initiative to bring it to real world application.
[quote]John S. wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
thosebananas wrote:
ive been looking at some of the martial arts today.
we have a school near my flat. i dont know, i might just go back to boxing and brush up to increase my confidence… i dunno.
Boxing? No good, becuase it limits you to using your hands only. Why stop there, when a straight kick to the solar plexus or liver, can cripple the opponent from much further away than a punch. The best bit is you can hold your hand up in mock surrender and whilst he’s looking at them, you deliver the kick.
Also, elbows and head are useful weapons in a confined space like a hallway, yet boxing won’t teach you to use them.
BBB
What do you think about wrestling, or some style that can bring it to the ground. If he’s worried about another incident like this then taking it to the ground would pretty much make most of there weapons useless wouldn’t you agree?[/quote]
Madness, utter madness! When facing a large number of opponents, the ground is the last place you would want to be. I would also feel that going into ground game with someone carrying a weapon might be risky. For example I might find his knife somewhere in my gut.
Rule number one for survival is staying on your feet here, and trying to keep the enemies at a distance. So you strike quickly from your max range. all the while guarding your head as best you can, because youll likely be hit from the side while you strike. But that’s to be expected, such a fight cannot be carried out without getting a few bruises. If you are lucky, the opponents will succumb to fear of your size and punching power and will want to stay back and let someone else be the first hit. If that chain reaction starts, then you may well make it. That’s when they’re easy to hit. Two friends of mine and myself actually chased of a dozen melee-armed attackers once we got their fear of getting hurt going.
also had KFM suggested to me. both look good…