[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Hugo Chavez, despite his faults did many things to democratize Venezuela. That country is more democratic than any other in the southern hemisphere. His policies helped to lift so many of his people out of poverty. He stood up to corporate giants and put so much of the oil profits back into the economy. He will truly be missed by those who value freedom over corporate oligarchs. Too bad we can;t elect people like him in this country.[/quote]
WTF??
The man’s personal fortune was estimated to be over 2 BILLION dollars, if his last name was Romney you would want him strung up for embezzling that kind of coin!
And over 100 Billion of the countries oil profits are unaccounted for?
Yep, we need a shit load more people like that guy.[/quote]
But Utah, he was fighting the capitalist profligate dogs! And, uh, Venezuela being the 4th largest importer of oil to the United States doesn’t make him a hypocrite. He fed the poor with that money he swindled from those hegemonic Imperialists!
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
We plan on letting Iran be the hegemonic power in the ME. This means that we won’t have to spend a shit ton of money patrolling the Straits of Hormuz. However we need a substitute oil source, along with the Bakkan and the find down in Australia. So his time came.
Dumb Venezuelan peckerwood…Not light sweet oil but WTF…
CIA FTW!!![/quote]
Has any head of state ever died of natural causes in your estimation?[/quote]
Caligula? Archduke Ferdinand? But seriously…
Chavez was relatively young, by modern day standards. Stole billions from oil companies and continually told the most powerful country on earth to go fuck yourselves…and you think he died of natural causes? Uhh…okay…
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I have had more than one personal friend get cancer under the age of 30. It’s not at all So, yeah it’s possible a “young politician” can have it at the age of 59. The percentage of people at 60 who have had cancer is not entirely insignificant.
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Hugo Chavez, despite his faults did many things to democratize Venezuela. That country is more democratic than any other in the southern hemisphere. His policies helped to lift so many of his people out of poverty. He stood up to corporate giants and put so much of the oil profits back into the economy. He will truly be missed by those who value freedom over corporate oligarchs. Too bad we can;t elect people like him in this country.[/quote]
WTF??
The man’s personal fortune was estimated to be over 2 BILLION dollars, if his last name was Romney you would want him strung up for embezzling that kind of coin!
And over 100 Billion of the countries oil profits are unaccounted for?
Yep, we need a shit load more people like that guy.[/quote]
He was consistently elected in landslides. So apparently he was doing somethings right for the majority of the population.
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Hugo Chavez, despite his faults did many things to democratize Venezuela. That country is more democratic than any other in the southern hemisphere. His policies helped to lift so many of his people out of poverty. He stood up to corporate giants and put so much of the oil profits back into the economy. He will truly be missed by those who value freedom over corporate oligarchs. Too bad we can;t elect people like him in this country.[/quote]
WTF??
The man’s personal fortune was estimated to be over 2 BILLION dollars, if his last name was Romney you would want him strung up for embezzling that kind of coin!
And over 100 Billion of the countries oil profits are unaccounted for?
Yep, we need a shit load more people like that guy.[/quote]
But Utah, he was fighting the capitalist profligate dogs! And, uh, Venezuela being the 4th largest importer of oil to the United States doesn’t make him a hypocrite. He fed the poor with that money he swindled from those hegemonic Imperialists! [/quote]
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Hugo Chavez, despite his faults did many things to democratize Venezuela. That country is more democratic than any other in the southern hemisphere. His policies helped to lift so many of his people out of poverty. He stood up to corporate giants and put so much of the oil profits back into the economy. He will truly be missed by those who value freedom over corporate oligarchs. Too bad we can;t elect people like him in this country.[/quote]
WTF??
The man’s personal fortune was estimated to be over 2 BILLION dollars, if his last name was Romney you would want him strung up for embezzling that kind of coin!
And over 100 Billion of the countries oil profits are unaccounted for?
Yep, we need a shit load more people like that guy.[/quote]
But Utah, he was fighting the capitalist profligate dogs! And, uh, Venezuela being the 4th largest importer of oil to the United States doesn’t make him a hypocrite. He fed the poor with that money he swindled from those hegemonic Imperialists! [/quote]
Ditto[/quote]
You do realize that my post was heavily laden with sarcasm, yes?
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Hugo Chavez, despite his faults did many things to democratize Venezuela. That country is more democratic than any other in the southern hemisphere. His policies helped to lift so many of his people out of poverty. He stood up to corporate giants and put so much of the oil profits back into the economy. He will truly be missed by those who value freedom over corporate oligarchs. Too bad we can;t elect people like him in this country.[/quote]
WTF??
The man’s personal fortune was estimated to be over 2 BILLION dollars, if his last name was Romney you would want him strung up for embezzling that kind of coin!
And over 100 Billion of the countries oil profits are unaccounted for?
Yep, we need a shit load more people like that guy.[/quote]
He was consistently elected in landslides. So apparently he was doing somethings right for the majority of the population.
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So was Stalin and Hitler… and Saddam, and Ahmadinejad…
Hugo Chavez may have not been the best leader of a country, he may have been greedy, vindictive and possibly incompetent but he was a strong willed man. We’re talking about a guy who told the US to go fuck themselves. He is no way near a Stalin or Hitler, to mention him with those people is both disrespectful and powerfully ignorant.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Hugo Chavez may have not been the best leader of a country, he may have been greedy, vindictive and possibly incompetent but he was a strong willed man. We’re talking about a guy who told the US to go fuck themselves. He is no way near a Stalin or Hitler, to mention him with those people is both disrespectful and powerfully ignorant.
Geezer-Nation.[/quote]
Disrespectful to a dictator?
Considering that your typical politician is near murderers, rapists and thieves on the moral scale, Chavez and other dictators would be riding asymptotically close to zero.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Hugo Chavez may have not been the best leader of a country, he may have been greedy, vindictive and possibly incompetent but he was a strong willed man. We’re talking about a guy who told the US to go fuck themselves. He is no way near a Stalin or Hitler, to mention him with those people is both disrespectful and powerfully ignorant.
Geezer-Nation.[/quote]
The only reason he was not a Stalin or Hitler was lack of opportunity.
He killed who he could kill. He used who he could use.
He was no “man of the people.” He pretended to be “for the common man,” just like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and all the other fake populists of history.
It’s good propaganda and useful idiots fall for that line every generation.
The only way to prevent oppression is freedom, free markets — which includes freedom to compete and enter markets — the shared zone that large corporations, unions, and socialists like — regulations and rules and laws supposedly to “protect against corporate abuse” just protect large corporations and prevent upstarts from entering the market — thus keeping wealth in the hands of oligarchs.
The real “man of the people” is a man of markets and competition and anti-government.
I’m no fan of socialists and obviously this includes Chavez, but to say he wasn’t actually popular in his own country–especially among the poor–is simply false.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
I’m no fan of socialists and obviously this includes Chavez, but to say he wasn’t actually popular in his own country–especially among the poor–is simply false.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Hugo Chavez may have not been the best leader of a country, he may have been greedy, vindictive and possibly incompetent but he was a strong willed man. We’re talking about a guy who told the US to go fuck themselves. He is no way near a Stalin or Hitler, to mention him with those people is both disrespectful and powerfully ignorant.
Geezer-Nation.[/quote]
The only reason he was not a Stalin or Hitler was lack of opportunity.
He killed who he could kill. He used who he could use.
He was no “man of the people.” He pretended to be “for the common man,” just like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and all the other fake populists of history.
It’s good propaganda and useful idiots fall for that line every generation.
The only way to prevent oppression is freedom, free markets — which includes freedom to compete and enter markets — the shared zone that large corporations, unions, and socialists like — regulations and rules and laws supposedly to “protect against corporate abuse” just protect large corporations and prevent upstarts from entering the market — thus keeping wealth in the hands of oligarchs.
The real “man of the people” is a man of markets and competition and anti-government.[/quote]
Agreed. Especially since the unvarnished facts show that poverty actually went up and service to the poor actually went down by like so 14% during his regime. Crime went up 1000000000000%, the country went to hell.
I’d rather take a dictator who is in it to make money and be famous, rather than a dictator who has an ideology.
I do believe there a few people that aren’t worth saving, Chavez is one of those people.