30 Days, the new series by Morgan Spurlock (of Super Size Me fame), covers “anti-aging” tonight. A 30-something ex-athletic, complete with wife and kids, tries to recapture his youth. For 30 days, injections, a nutrionist, and a personal trainer. I know it’s TV and less than 1 hour in length, but please let some factual info make it onto the screen to be absorbed by the masses.
I read in a review something along the lines of “It’s amazing to actually see him go through roid rage.”
So don’t get your hopes up.
[quote]myxl wrote:
30 Days, the new series by Morgan Spurlock (of Super Size Me fame), covers “anti-aging” tonight. A 30-something ex-athletic, complete with wife and kids, tries to recapture his youth. For 30 days, injections, a nutrionist, and a personal trainer. I know it’s TV and less than 1 hour in length, but please let some factual info make it onto the screen to be absorbed by the masses.[/quote]
I’ll be Tivo-ing it. I really don’t know what to expect though. As a means of assessing the benefits of HRT, I don’t think it could be very valid. You take a couch potato whose been sitting on his ass for 10 years and have him start working out and eating right, there’s gonna be tons of positive changes with or without hGH
This guy Morgan Spurlock is pretty objective when he’s doing these shows. With Fast Food Nation and the previous show about living on minimum wage. I expect him to be as objective as possible, but given the lack of experts and only Anti-Aging doctors giving advice and the short duration of 30 days; we could notice some major errors, but the average public might not.
Also, there’s no way this guy can keep up HGH injections for the rest of his life, they are way too expensive right now. If anyone watches it tonight, chime in here tomorrow and tell us what you think.
hey all,
i just finished watching “30 days” and have some opinions on the guy in the trial. he ended up not finishing the experiment due to increased liver functions and low sperm count. anyway, it seems as though he didn’t do any possible research beforehand as to what to expect from taking hgh and test. you would think that if someone was going to radically change their lifestyle by incorporating diet and drugs, and doing this on tv much less, they would prepare themselves and read up on the pros and cons of such decisions. he pulled the pin too early.
also, his wife strikes me as the kind of “sabotuer” Shugart wrote about. any other opinions out there?
OK, I just watched it and I was yelling at the TV. It was classic one doctor against the other. The wife was the saboteur…
He did cardio 5x a week and worked out with Bob Cicherillo and took testosterone and hgh injections. And took like 21 pills daily consisting of many different micronutrients and fish oil, creatine, magnesium, and a few other pills.
There’s way too much to write about here so I’ll just say… he should just read this site and they would have had a much better, more truthful show.
The guy didn’t even finish the program… however, he is still exercising and eating healthier, so if nothing else, he got to that point even though it wasn’t the best route.
The host of the show even went down to mexico and started asking the pharmacies for steroids, not even specific ones… and purchased dianabol, anavar, and hgh… bet you ten bucks it was fake… but he’ll never know that.
So this participant taking the injections after seven days got abnormal liver functions and eventually stopped the program. All the while his wife is being negative and won’t get her fat butt exercising. And then she has the nerve to say that putting these foreign substances in your body are too dangerous and you shouldn’t mess with mother nature. All the while they’ve been eating fast food for the last 10 yrs.
Bottom line - this show proved how experts widely disagree and how the normal non-active public is frequently mis-educated by marketers, doctors, professionals, and the government.
I know I missed some stuff or maybe confused things because of how fast I typed, so feel free to add, edit or comment if you saw the show.
[quote]shady659 wrote:
hey all,
i just finished watching “30 days” and have some opinions on the guy in the trial. he ended up not finishing the experiment due to increased liver functions and low sperm count. anyway, it seems as though he didn’t do any possible research beforehand as to what to expect from taking hgh and test. you would think that if someone was going to radically change their lifestyle by incorporating diet and drugs, and doing this on tv much less, they would prepare themselves and read up on the pros and cons of such decisions. he pulled the pin too early.
also, his wife strikes me as the kind of “sabotuer” Shugart wrote about. any other opinions out there?[/quote]
I agree 100%. That bitch pissed me off to no end. No wonder that guy was having anger issues, look at his fat biotch wife, I’d have anger issues too.
And that anti-aging doc didn’t seen worth much if he isn’t giving his patients more info.
I only caught the last half of it, but I’ll set my DVR to record it at midnight and watch the whoel thing.
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I couldn’t finish the last ten minutes of the show I was so pissed off. I also thought Spurlock would be objective but after watching this weeks show and last week’s episode, I’ve come to the conclusion that this guy is Michael Moore-light. And let me be clear, I am more liberal than conservative, but this liberal-biased BS is making want to grab a bible and a gun start telling everyone I come into contact with how they are going to hell, etc. Anyway, back to the point of the show, at the beginning Spurlock points out the positive effects of the treatments and the negative effects. It was interesting that by the end of the show the “test subject” had only experienced the negative effects of the treatments. Let’s ignore the fact that the guy was taking test, HGH, DHEA, pregnenolone (or progresterone, I didn’t hear which), and “micronutrients”; over 40 pills a day, which the wife was sure were the cause of her husband’s problems (I understood these “evil micronutrients” to be your basic vitamins and minerals but I could be wrong). It is true that the wife was a saboteur, but I kept getting the feeling that this show was scripted and biased more than anything else. That’s all I have to say for now. Once my bloodpressure comes down and my objectiveness returns, I may have more to say about this. Any thoughts?
I turned that shit off after the girl trainer by the pool didn’t kick him right in the face. friggin idiotastic moron. I want to be in shape but I don’t want to hear you tell me how fat and lazy I am.He tells his trainer I don’t want to hear it. Pussofasmatic chump she shoulda wumted him. I just about broke the keyboard typing this.
[quote]legion581 wrote:
It was interesting that by the end of the show the “test subject” had only experienced the negative effects of the treatments. Let’s ignore the fact that the guy was taking test, HGH, DHEA, pregnenolone (or progresterone, I didn’t hear which), and “micronutrients”; over 40 pills a day, which the wife was sure were the cause of her husband’s problems (I understood these “evil micronutrients” to be your basic vitamins and minerals but I could be wrong). It is true that the wife was a saboteur, but I kept getting the feeling that this show was scripted and biased more than anything else. That’s all I have to say for now. Once my bloodpressure comes down and my objectiveness returns, I may have more to say about this. Any thoughts?[/quote]
It didn’t seem scripted. I only watched about 35min of it, but everyone came to the conclusion that his massive random pill intake was the cause of his problems and not the test or hgh injections. His wife was the average fat house-wife who will do anything she can to make sure her husband doesn’t get too in shape or get too much attention from the very in shape female personal trainer. She was nagging within one week of his program so it is no wonder he didn’t stick with the treatment. Within 10 days she was already yelling about how he didn’t seem to have time for the family and how she will not support this if it means he neglects his responsibilities…as if his physical well being is not a responsibility. Even Bob Chic told him that he doesn’t even take 40+ pills a day and he is a professional bodybuilder.
There has been a rift in the medical community for years concerning HRT. You have doctors who have done little to no research on it who also buy into the public stigma. Then you have those who do research who, much like the doc in the program, didn’t make any and all risks clear enough (patients only hear and process a third of what a doctor tells them which is why it is almost always necessary to repeat info).
This guy is the average couch potato who, for some reason, believes that he hit his peak at 17 years of age and that it is all down hill from there. With a wife like that, there is no wonder. Her one stand out comment was, “I married him pudgy…and I’m pudgy…it’s OK!”. Apparently everything is “OK” as long as he doesn’t try to change his level of activity. By the end, she also mentions, while he pulls her in a wagon down the street for exercise, “see, this is even better exerecise than running…Lord knows there is enough weight in here!”. He is destined to fall back into his old habits because he never had her support, or the support of his entire family, to begin with.
Bottom line, the average lay-person will hear “liver functions” and walk away from this program believing that the cause was his testosterone and hgh usage. They will completely ignore the fact that several doctors came to the conclusion that his massive vitamin / anti-oxidant / pro-hormone / creatine-pyruvate pill intake was the cause and thusly, the stigma will continue. The general public wants to remain fat. It helps them feel better if they can look at everyone who is in better shape and believe that they are all less healthy or crazy.
The only real question is, why do we allow laws to be passed that restrict intelligent use of HRT and even intimidate many doctors to prescribe it?
I’m watching this right now… and am 31 minutes into it on commercial break, It’s already going BAD… he has ‘side effects’ and problems with his liver… who’s to say that spurlock didn’t pay that doctor to say things… and now they are bashing supplements saying they’re bad, can someone please ragdoll this idiotic bastard? I’m not too fond of Spurlock and his agenda at this point in the show… the bastard is making the whole “fitness” world look like morons who’ll do anything to look good and feel good.
The fact of the matter is that I’m mad and ranting!
ok, time for post edit!
it’s 39 minutes into the show and he’s buying gear in tijuana showing us all how easy it is, which is slightly ironic.
and what’s this, 40 minutes in, he’s supposedly got “roid rage” which is probably just from the stress of finding out his liver is having abnormal function, and worrying about dieing.
ALL THINGS CONSIDERED… this show is ‘biassed’ and geared towards making this guy look like a walking catastrophe from his drugs.
42 minutes in, he shoot a blank at the sperm bank, isn’t that a normal short-term response for someone taking Test? Uh-oh, the wifey is pissed because she thinks she can’t have more babies.
I’ll have to admit it, the blanks and the wife’s reaction is pretty funny.
We’ll call her Ms. Informed (get it… haha… misinformed…)
I can’t wait until the members of Congress see this episode. They are going to start banning everything possible, including fish oil caps. It adds fuel to their fire which sucks.
I have to agree with everyone on the wife. She was a pain in the a*s and I don’t know how he puts up with her. She was definitely the sabateur in his program. I thought for a minute the cardio trainer and his wife were going have a good ol cat fight in the pool.
One of the funny parts in the show was when they told him his sperm was dead. Then his wife was all pissed off and wouldn’t let him take care of things. Then he finally said, “look at my wife, now I have to put up with her sh*t all night now.” That about killed me laughing.
If you think about it, this guy did a complete 180 with his lifestyle. I’m thinking more that it wasn’t the drugs but the fact that he didn’t ease into he went full steam ahead with everything. It probably caused undue stress on his bodily functions which resulted in his problems. I think eventually he would have normalized.
I’m not a doctor but I did stay at a strip club last night.
Best line of the show was definitely “…now I have to put up with her shit all night!” What a cunt. And what a spineless douchebag. Another great scene was in the sperm bank and as the door is closing you hear her nagging voice, “Why do you have to get naked?” Let the fucking guy jerk off in peace, mom!
The show started off well, but it was obviously intent on dealing in extremes, and they sabotaged their own experiment by not screening the participants better.
Spurlock was making it seem like the guy was on steroids, but the dosages of test being used were for hormone REPLACEMENT therapy; the dosages weren’t what someone who was using steroids to get hyooge would use. Could they have gotten a more clueless General Practitioner? “So, have you been experiencing any aggression?” Maybe he was a super smart doctor, but I would get up and walk out if I saw my doc wearing that yellow shirt/tie get-up, it just screamed “QUACK!”
One redemption was the scene where he and the cardio girl are working in the backyard and they keep showing her backyard bent over in those little black shorts. Mmmmmmmmm.
I was really curious about the dosages he was taking with the testosterone, myself. If he was taking one shot a week, that is more like cycling, right?(I’m not a steriod expert, just an avid reader)
It is my understanding that cycling will cause the side effects to come up, and that there are fewer side effects from taking just alittle bit of testosterone each day like in a dosepack prescribed by a general practicioner.
I really liked SUPER SIZE ME and the first episode of 30 DAYS when he was in Columbus OH (recognized some of the sights of Cow Town), however to pull off the stunt for TV, they had to kinda do it in dramatic style.
A drama queen wife and going to an anti-aging specialist and getting a pro bodybuilder and a skinny blonde to train him make for better TV. It HAS to be a publicity stunt to work.
I was amused, though, by how many bad weight training practices were forced on the poor ignorant guinea pig guy. Smith Machine? all that specialty muscle work before basic strength/mass building work? Almost all of the cardio trainer’s stuff?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
legion581 wrote:
It was interesting that by the end of the show the “test subject” had only experienced the negative effects of the treatments. Let’s ignore the fact that the guy was taking test, HGH, DHEA, pregnenolone (or progresterone, I didn’t hear which), and “micronutrients”; over 40 pills a day, which the wife was sure were the cause of her husband’s problems (I understood these “evil micronutrients” to be your basic vitamins and minerals but I could be wrong). It is true that the wife was a saboteur, but I kept getting the feeling that this show was scripted and biased more than anything else. That’s all I have to say for now. Once my bloodpressure comes down and my objectiveness returns, I may have more to say about this. Any thoughts?
It didn’t seem scripted. I only watched about 35min of it, but everyone came to the conclusion that his massive random pill intake was the cause of his problems and not the test or hgh injections. His wife was the average fat house-wife who will do anything she can to make sure her husband doesn’t get too in shape or get too much attention from the very in shape female personal trainer. She was nagging within one week of his program so it is no wonder he didn’t stick with the treatment. Within 10 days she was already yelling about how he didn’t seem to have time for the family and how she will not support this if it means he neglects his responsibilities…as if his physical well being is not a responsibility. Even Bob Chic told him that he doesn’t even take 40+ pills a day and he is a professional bodybuilder.
There has been a rift in the medical community for years concerning HRT. You have doctors who have done little to no research on it who also buy into the public stigma. Then you have those who do research who, much like the doc in the program, didn’t make any and all risks clear enough (patients only hear and process a third of what a doctor tells them which is why it is almost always necessary to repeat info).
This guy is the average couch potato who, for some reason, believes that he hit his peak at 17 years of age and that it is all down hill from there. With a wife like that, there is no wonder. Her one stand out comment was, “I married him pudgy…and I’m pudgy…it’s OK!”. Apparently everything is “OK” as long as he doesn’t try to change his level of activity. By the end, she also mentions, while he pulls her in a wagon down the street for exercise, “see, this is even better exerecise than running…Lord knows there is enough weight in here!”. He is destined to fall back into his old habits because he never had her support, or the support of his entire family, to begin with.
Bottom line, the average lay-person will hear “liver functions” and walk away from this program believing that the cause was his testosterone and hgh usage. They will completely ignore the fact that several doctors came to the conclusion that his massive vitamin / anti-oxidant / pro-hormone / creatine-pyruvate pill intake was the cause and thusly, the stigma will continue. The general public wants to remain fat. It helps them feel better if they can look at everyone who is in better shape and believe that they are all less healthy or crazy.
The only real question is, why do we allow laws to be passed that restrict intelligent use of HRT and even intimidate many doctors to prescribe it?[/quote]
VERY WELL STATED!
I watched it, and felt he went about it all wrong…
I would have rather watched a series titled “12 weeks” which would be more realistic.
The wife was a nag because she was scared, can’t really blame her for worrying about her bread-winner. However, I wonder how big of a role she played in encouraging her husband to take the challenge to begin with. “C’mon Honey, we get to be on TV and you get to be all buff!”
I bet he had high to borderline LFT’s before he even started. Did they take preliminary LFT’s prior to him undergoing this 30 day trial? I can’t remember. Looking at his diet, stress level and daily schedule, one can assume that he might already have elevated LFT’s before the program even started.
His “roid rage??” C’mon, dude was just stressed out. I’ve had bigger tantrums dealing with beligerant students.
Spurlock, I think, needs to more of the trials himself. It was cool seeing how he worked the Pharmacia’s in Tijuana, he’s a pretty talented documentarian, but the real honesty of his work shows through when he’s the undergoing the chosen stressors himself…
[quote]CU AeroStallion wrote:
I’m watching this right now… and am 31 minutes into it on commercial break, It’s already going BAD… he has ‘side effects’ and problems with his liver… who’s to say that spurlock didn’t pay that doctor to say things… and now they are bashing supplements saying they’re bad, can someone please ragdoll this idiotic bastard? I’m not too fond of Spurlock and his agenda at this point in the show… the bastard is making the whole “fitness” world look like morons who’ll do anything to look good and feel good.[/quote]
–He did pay. He hates exercise. He loves McDonalds. He is secretly a fat man. What you are seeing is a digitaly stretched image of Michael Moore. Tell no one of this conversation.[quote]
The fact of the matter is that I’m mad and ranting!
ok, time for post edit!
it’s 39 minutes into the show and he’s buying gear in tijuana showing us all how easy it is, which is slightly ironic.
and what’s this, 40 minutes in, he’s supposedly got “roid rage” which is probably just from the stress of finding out his liver is having abnormal function, and worrying about dieing.
ALL THINGS CONSIDERED… this show is ‘biassed’ and geared towards making this guy look like a walking catastrophe from his drugs.
42 minutes in, he shoot a blank at the sperm bank, isn’t that a normal short-term response for someone taking Test? Uh-oh, the wifey is pissed because she thinks she can’t have more babies.
I’ll have to admit it, the blanks and the wife’s reaction is pretty funny.
We’ll call her Ms. Informed (get it… haha… misinformed…)[/quote]
Yea you guys said all the good stuff already. The bitch was wife was the saboteur, and I swear she said at least one line right out of Shugart’s article.
The guy was a lazy POS who tried to turn it all around too quick…the only thing I liked is that I think they made it clear that the wife was a saboteur, between the shots of her fat ass whining and the short thing with the psychologist. I think we may be more aware of the saboteur deal than the average bear, mostly because of Shug’s article. But the general public noticed it I bet.
I also tried explaing to my girlfriend that “roid rages” dont happen after 18 days of using HGH. “Roid rages” come from ugly irritating wives.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
It didn’t seem scripted. I only watched about 35min of it, but everyone came to the conclusion that his massive random pill intake was the cause of his problems and not the test or hgh injections. His wife was the average fat house-wife who will do anything she can to make sure her husband doesn’t get too in shape or get too much attention from the very in shape female personal trainer. She was nagging within one week of his program so it is no wonder he didn’t stick with the treatment. Within 10 days she was already yelling about how he didn’t seem to have time for the family and how she will not support this if it means he neglects his responsibilities…as if his physical well being is not a responsibility. Even Bob Chic told him that he doesn’t even take 40+ pills a day and he is a professional bodybuilder.
Bottom line, the average lay-person will hear “liver functions” and walk away from this program believing that the cause was his testosterone and hgh usage. They will completely ignore the fact that several doctors came to the conclusion that his massive vitamin / anti-oxidant / pro-hormone / creatine-pyruvate pill intake was the cause and thusly, the stigma will continue. The general public wants to remain fat. It helps them feel better if they can look at everyone who is in better shape and believe that they are all less healthy or crazy.
The only real question is, why do we allow laws to be passed that restrict intelligent use of HRT and even intimidate many doctors to prescribe it?[/quote]
I agree. I didn’t really think the show was scripted. They just did the guy a disservice by having him jump right in without any understanding of what he was putting in his body. I hated the wife-not only a sabatoeur but a bitch and a ball-breaker. I thought the HRT doctor was a dumbass too. The show certainly didn’t shed any light on the benefits or the disadvantages of HRT. It’s blantanly ridiculous that they put him on all that shit. 40 pills. Gimme a break. Hard to tell what the cause of the problems was with all that mess. The guy would’ve benefited greatly from the diet and training regimen they had him on and nothing else. To accurately depict HRT they should’ve picked someone who already had a relatively healthy lifestyle (exercise and diet) but who was getting older, maybe had low testosterone levels, and was experience some other potentially age/hormone-related problems. And put him on a well-thought out, moderate HRT plan. Not the bullshit this guy was on.
Maybe she was scared. Whatever the underlying reason, she was not supportive. And she ultimately brought everything back to her. Obviously everything that affects you, affects your spouse (and kids). But she was a little ridiculous. And controlling and domineering. Just not the way a wife or girlfriend should act.