How is it going gman ? How is the libido and how do you feel now it’s been nearly a year since u stopped the test ??
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Hello,
I would describe my recovery as successful. Overall I feel great and everything is back to normal. I’m able to weight train regularly and have plenty of energy. I’m happy with where my strength is and how my physique is looking (210lb ~ 15% body fat)…Libido is normal with morning wood occurring often and intercourse is never a problem. I plan on getting labs done again here in the next month. I wouldn’t be surprised if my all my levels have gone up, but even if they didn’t I have no complaints. It simply just takes time and patience. The protocol here helped me get off the medication and experience a “soft landing” without to many issues. I’m glad I followed through and made this decision.
I would say the most important things you can do to help your recovery is to continue exercising, prioritize a healthy diet that support hormone health and regulation, and get plenty of rest/quality sleep.
I dropped a lot of the supplements I was taking because I didn’t want to rely on them long term. Currently I take the following because they support testosterone health.
Zinc
Magnesium
Copper
Boron
D3/K2
Fish oils
Organic Ginger powder
I’ve stopped with my cold showers and icing protocol and didn’t noticed a negative change.
Diet involves staple whole foods such as grass fed beef/steak, wild caught salmon/shrimp, organic chicken, organic eggs, grass fed butter, whole milk, potatoes/rice, and a lot of fruits (bananas/kiwis/grapes/berries).
Good luck.
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Thanks for that full explanation matebm much appreciated… I’m on trt . Have been for three years and giving it one last go… if the next few months don’t get any better with my new protocol I’m going to stop the trt … Never felt great on it and never been optimised. Libido worse on it and mood swings ain’t good … Thanks 
again
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How old are you if you don’t mind me asking?
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I’m 33
52 … Work out hard and do cardio …
1 year update
I followed the restart along with a few other additions as mentioned in my above comments.
Labs were done at the 3 month mark and the 1 year mark. It’s safe to say that the restart was a success. Below is an outline of my past labs
TT Range (240 - 950)
FT Range (9 - 30)
2020 (before TRT)
TT: 450
FT: 8
2021 (TRT) 120mg
TT: 670
FT: 14
2022 (3 months off TRT)
TT: 515
FT: 9
2023 (1 year off TRT)
TT 560
FT: 16
My TT has improved by about 100 ng/dl and my FT has doubled compared to my initial pre TRT labs. It’s been a journey and I’m glad that the combination of lifestyle change, diet, and supplements have done their part to get me back to an improved normal hormone level. Overall I feel great and I’m glad I decided to get off the medication and give my natural self a chance. TRT will always be an option later in life when and if things change.
Thank you and good luck.
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This was a cool read for me. Thank you for sharing your numbers.
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I’m about to come off of TRT also. The HCG part is straight, but I’m adding in some other stuff.
Clomid 50mg
Novadex 20mg
Proviron 25mg
Tadalafil 7.5mg
Going to start HCG two weeks before I come off, starting the rest after I stop the test.
Just wanting to see what I can get my natty up to. Crashed HPA, need a reset. I’ll probably never run Test again without HCG to keep the loop going
Amazing thread. AMAZING.
I have a very important question though- is there any drawback from me NOT TAKING Clomiphene / Nolvadex after stopping TRT?
The backstory is that I have been 5 years on TRT (24 yo-29 yo). Test 30mg 2x/week and hcg 250IU 2x/week. Now I stopped 2 weeks ago.The goal was not to get my test back to ‘healthy’ and fulfilling levels permanently, as I know this is rather impossible (had 320 t before TRT). I rather stopped to have the mental comfort getting the HPTA axis back to work at least for 4-6 months so it doesn’t ‘forget’ how to function and permanently ‘dies out’. This may sound like pseudoscience, but I do definetely need the mental awareness that ‘ok, this body circuit is STILL ABLE TO WORK, its just kept dormant by my TRT’.
That being said, I took last shot of 33mg Enan on 10.09. Then got labs on 22.09 and had T 245 and E2 5,47.
From 22.09 I started Clomid 12,5mg ED - please, bear in mind I was taking it only for a week so it is too short for the Clomid to take action on the body.
I took labs one week later - on 22.09 I had T 306 and most importantly - LH and FSH of 3,09 and 1,69. This means that my pitituary started working on its own even before clomid had chance to act on my body! . After seeing this I was super happy and surprised, and immediately stopped Clomid because why would take it if my hypothalamus and pitituary already got the engines running!
I also talked with a renown knowledgable person from my area, and he blew my brain with the story that apparently the TRT/cycle ‘metagame’ has changed over the past 3 years, and it is becoming more and more common for people to NOT HAVE ANY PCT. Apparently more and more people are feeling that SERMS are indeed a ‘softer landing’, but at the same time they definetely do prolong the time it takes for your body to start producing T on its own at full capacity. This stands in contrast with everything I had learned before going to TRT 5 years ago - and I did a thorough research. However, well, my labs seem to agree with the new approach.
All of that being said, please le me reiterate the question - is there any drawback from me NOT TAKING Clomiphene / Nolvadex after stopping TRT?
Also, attaching my labs
Unless you are in a rush to conceive a child, no. Eventually, you’re not going to be taking anything anyway.
How old were you when you did your PCT restart?