How's The Bible Right - Being a Good Person?

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[quote]mbdix wrote:
I meant man searching for God throughout history in any ‘theism’ form. Besides atheism. Why do people that don’t believe in God, think societies throughout history have used God? [/quote]

Your question is really broad. Obviously early on gods were used to explain natural things like say lightning that people didn’t understand. As the understanding of the natural world got better the concepts of god had to become more abstract.

Mostly I was meaning if you meant an Islamic/Christian/Jewish idea of god since there are many other conceptions that came about in history and prehistory.

I’d say at its heart its largely fear and not understanding the world around them that caused a lot of belief historically. Some societies in my opinion have used religion to keep people ok with the status quo in the sense that they are willing to wait for some greater reward in the afterlife instead of working to make this life better.

I don’t think societies are intrinsically linked with religion. Atheism in at least the sense of non theism is the fastest growing segment of the American population and we are currently one of the if not the most religious western nation. I think Islam is the second fastest growing. I believe if you split by sects…bundling every sect together as Christian is a relatively recent, say 50 year old thing…that only Catholics will be a larger group in America than Moslems and nontheists by 2030 if the current projections hold.
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I personally think it’s a fad. Atheism’s popularity has increased and decreased through out time. I will tell you why I think it’s a fad and that most atheists will subscribe to a faith in God is because I have yet to meet an atheist who is flippant or nonchalant about it. Reading atheist blogs and websites, it seems to me that for not believing in God there is a great deal of interest in God and religion. More often it’s non-practicing people of faith who are flippant and nonchalant about it. “I am Catholic, but I only go to church once in a while.” That kind of thing. I guess in them there is some sort of comfort in the fact that they have some belief and there is time to worry about that crap later. No so with atheists. They seem to be very interested in religion as a whole. Perhaps to mock it or malign it, but something about atheism, no matter how militant the atheist, seems to have some level of discomfort to it. Perhaps it’s a void in the human psyche that demands a belief in something greater than ourselves, and forcefully removing that, creates an imbalance. What ever it is, it is true that most atheists are seemingly very interested in religion and God, even if they hate it, there is a profound interest there.
I don’t think it’s related to explaining phenomenon anymore after all we have science, in large part to provide us with those answers, but it does not satisfy.
Just here on this forum the behaviour is pretty evident save for a couple, almost every thread about religion has been started by an atheist. Why such interest if you don’t know and don’t care?
I think it’s because they do care, and the answers come. It’s because the answers come that I beleive most people will not stay atheists forever. Some will surely, pridefully hang on to it despite their personal experiences that would indicate otherwise, but many will hear the answers and answer the call themselves.
I can’t prove it, but these questions and inquisitiveness about God will not go unanswered.
I think there is a fear that you will become a ‘Jesus Freak’ if you become a person of faith. That you will have that abhorrent, fundamentalist behavior that is apparently repulsive in some people. After all, they think, “I am good with out God”…Well if that’s true, then your life wouldn’t change all that much. You’ll just finally give credit where credit is to. You’ll understand how fragile this life we have is and be grateful to the correct source for the many blessings that you normally don’t recognize that give you the blessed life you lead. That a simple twist of fate, it all comes crashing down. In the blink of an eye, it can all change.

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[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:<<< For me to have continued would have been arguing for the sake of arguing. >>.[/quote]I understand why you say that and in the real world outside of cyberspace, Jesus admonition not to cast His pearls before swine is much simpler. Think about this. If you look at the view and post counts for any thread, especially ones dealing with controversial topics wherein the gospel is under fire? The VIEW count is always several times what the post count is. In other words, dozens of people are watching that will never post. I’m talking to them. The person I’m in direct dialog with is just a vehicle (so to speak). I am NOT being critical of you. I simply said all that to say that as long as you’re in a spirit of truth and love, by God’s definitions, arguing is never simply for the sake of arguing in hostile forums like this.[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:<<< You are the first person to ask me what I do believe, thank you. >>>[/quote]It was nothing really =] , but you,re welcome. My hope is always that I’m meeting a new brother or sister in Christ, but that is VERY rarely the case. SAMA was the now decommissioned “Sex and the Male Animal” forum which basically amounted to a digital Sodom and Gomorrah where every conceivable form of libertine immorality, perversion and debauchery was openly discussed and displayed by thousands of men and women here. It was a fabulous testimony tester which served me well. When someone like you showed up talkin about Jesus I’d follow their posting history and almost every time I’d see them in there covering themselves AND my Holy Lord in the same filth with the pagans who thankfully make no claim on Christ at all. People would say they were a Christian and then be talking about their porn collection, multiple partners, wife swapping and abominable godless language, you name it. All in the name of Jesus. I kid you not. That’s where we’ve fallen to today. There’s also all kinds of postmodern heresy here where people think Christians don’t necessarily have to take the bible seriously where they don’t personally agree. (Homosexuality, pro choice, human macro evolution etc.) This is why I ask questions when somebody claims to know the Lord. Anybody can say anything. Nuthin personal. Now it’s a bit more time consuming to see who’s who, but you will know them by their fruit which ALWAYS shows up.[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:<<< I believe that my Savior, Jesus Christ was crucified on the cross in my place so that I might have life and rose from the dead three days later. I believe in my heart and confess with my mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord. Being baptized in The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit and repentance of sin and being cleansed in His blood. After these things, that we must spend every day trying to be more like Him and choosing to do things that edify our spirit and give all glory to God. Also that The Bible is my guide to life and is His living Word. Hopefully that will tell enough of my beliefs. >>>[/quote] Very VERY good indeed. Amen =] Would you be too terribly offended if I were to press you a bit further? I agree wholeheartedly with what you said as stated, but you do realize that a Mormon will say exactly what you just said for instance. Do you proclaim ONE, as in UNO, singular, everywhere and for all time, ONE God who is of one substance, power, and eternity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost? All three ONE and THE ONLY ONE God? Neither dividing the substance NOR confounding the persons? I do so very truly hope you are smiling reading this and understand why I am pursuing this line of inquiry. I guess I could have just asked if you were a Mormon huh lol!!![quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:<<< The reason why I stated that I thought it would be a waste of time is because Ã?¢??He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.Ã?¢?? Matthew 12:19 Testimony is more rewarding than debate to me although I would gladly discuss Christ with a non-believer that wanted to hear His message and I have. >>>[/quote] See above please.[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:<<< I don’t think that I can send or receive PM’s either but am not certain. >>>[/quote]Normally I would have this conversation in private first, but that’s ok I suppose. [quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:<<< Also, what is an SAMA forum? Forgive my ignorance. [/quote]Nothing to forgive. See above again please.

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I can see that this thread has been quiet the last few days but I was busy giving birth to my brand new, 6lb 15oz baby girl on the 1st. How anyone could ever look at her angelic face and not believe in Him, I wouldn’t know what would convince them.

To answer you quickly, yes, I do believe in the Trinity and am not Mormon. I don’t make claim to any denomination actually. His Word is His Word and I think that as Christians we should be pulling together the Body of Christ, not separating it with various man made rules. The good old Gospel, plain and simple.

I will be back here and there over the next while when I have a few minutes to spare to hopefully have some more decent conversation or debate or whatever else happens here. Not ever intending on abandoning the good conversation earlier but, as you can see, I had very good reason. Amen? :slight_smile:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

…Maybe at some point when there is a really good discussion about guns (where I can debate statistics and fact) I will be back…

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I like this woman^! A Bible-believin’, gun-totin’, weight liftin’ T-babe that says, “I’ll be back.”

Ha!

Haha! That’s how we do it here in the Mid-West.

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:I can see that this thread has been quiet the last few days but I was busy giving birth to my brand new, 6lb 15oz baby girl on the 1st. >>>[/quote] Well bless His Holy name and your now larger family!!! I figured that’s where you wandered off to =] [quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:<<< How anyone could ever look at her angelic face and not believe in Him, I wouldn’t know what would convince them. >>>[/quote]Oh there’s no mystery there. Sin is the answer. (I knew what you meant though) There are plenty of people in these forums who would have been happy to help you kill her. [quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:<<< To answer you quickly, yes, I do believe in the Trinity and am not Mormon. >>>[/quote] Excellent. I was telling somebody yesterday that your statement about glorifying God is uncharacteristic of the way Mormons speak, but the whole construction of your brief testimony (which is REALLY their THANG) sounded rather Mormonesque. You can talk to them for a whole afternoon (I have many times) and have no idea that they every last bit of doctrine that they have mentioned is utterly devoid of biblical truth. Same words. Different definitions. [quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:<<< I don’t make claim to any denomination actually. >>>[/quote] I will always be up front with you, including now. These kinds of statements are very much of the time a declaration of unspoken theological liberalism. Responses like “I don’t really care about theology” are confirmations. I however am in communion with a non denominational church, so obviously I do not hold that nondenominationalism is immediately synonymous with compromise or heresy. In the internet age, you should be sizing me up too. Anybody can say anything and they sure do. [quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:<<< His Word is His Word and I think that as Christians we should be pulling together the Body of Christ, not separating it with various man made rules. The good old Gospel, plain and simple. >>>[/quote] You’re gonna come outta this thinking I’m either a scipturally responsible brother or a judgmental pharisee and what you meant by this last statement will indicate which. There is a galaxy of possible definitions in that short sentence. Including ones I agree with 100%. [quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:<<< I will be back here and there over the next while when I have a few minutes to spare to hopefully have some more decent conversation or debate or whatever else happens here. Not ever intending on abandoning the good conversation earlier but, as you can see, I had very good reason. Amen? :)[/quote]AMEN!! Your family and new baby girl are added to our ever growing T-Nation prayer list. Certainly you have more pressing responsibilities. I don’t remember. Is this your first?