[quote]malonetd wrote:
Of course people are going to say Lil Wayne is great when he’s being compared to people like Asher Roth. What a fucking joke.
Might as well compare him to this, too:
The description is correct… I can’t stop listening… LOL!
Check this shit out:
[quote]malonetd wrote:
Of course people are going to say Lil Wayne is great when he’s being compared to people like Asher Roth. What a fucking joke.
Might as well compare him to this, too:
One more to consider:
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
supposedly Ghille the Kid was his ghostwriter which is why when Ghille stopped fucking with him Wayne’s whole flow switched up
which is why he went from this
to this
By that logic then Michael Jackson (RIP) must have had a Ghost writer as well.
which is why he went from this
to this
what is popular in regards to music is changing all the time. the style of particular artists change as well. it would be ignorant to say that because a few of an artists songs sound different than the rest that he is/was using a ghost writer
[quote]Soccerstr078 wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
supposedly Ghille the Kid was his ghostwriter which is why when Ghille stopped fucking with him Wayne’s whole flow switched up
which is why he went from this
to this
By that logic then Michael Jackson (RIP) must have had a Ghost writer as well.
which is why he went from this
to this
what is popular in regards to music is changing all the time. the style of particular artists change as well. it would be ignorant to say that because a few of an artists songs sound different than the rest that he is/was using a ghost writer
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except lil wayne changed his entire persona in the span of 1 cd.
the Carter and Carter II sound NOTHING alike.
i’m not saying he had a ghostwriter, thats what some people think but his entire style did change dramatically.
[quote]Reef wrote:
He started off with Cash Money back in '98 I think. First Juvenile came out with his album. Then Wayne was on BG’s “Bling Bling” track (yes that’s when everyone started saying it). After that he came out with his own album. I think it was The Block is Hot.[/quote]
Yeah, he got some really good shit in that album:
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Soccerstr078 wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
supposedly Ghille the Kid was his ghostwriter which is why when Ghille stopped fucking with him Wayne’s whole flow switched up
which is why he went from this
to this
By that logic then Michael Jackson (RIP) must have had a Ghost writer as well.
which is why he went from this
to this
what is popular in regards to music is changing all the time. the style of particular artists change as well. it would be ignorant to say that because a few of an artists songs sound different than the rest that he is/was using a ghost writer
except lil wayne changed his entire persona in the span of 1 cd.
the Carter and Carter II sound NOTHING alike.
i’m not saying he had a ghostwriter, thats what some people think but his entire style did change dramatically.
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The same could be said about Eminem (think about songs like Real Slim Shady, Ass like that, Without me, etc vs guilty conscience and his other darker songs. I haven’t heard anyone accuse Em of having a ghost writer. A lot of people like to hate on lil wayne (which I am not implying that you are doing) for seemingly no reason.
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
When the hell did not writing down lines automatically mean freestyling? You can keep lines in your head. Rapper’s do “freestyles” on radio and television shows, and then you see the lines end up in a future song of theirs. Lines written down, no. Lines memorized in their heads, yes.
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That’s exactly what i said, memorising lines and spitting them on a track is not freestyling. Lil gay birdman kisser claims to freestyle all his so called genius.
Most of it is rumour but watch fade to black and you’ll see Jigga get ‘his rainman on’… He literally writes his verses in his head. That is pure fucking genius. This is what Lil Payne wishes he could do and is falsely claiming.
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And you need to get over that “its all image for marketing’s sake” whining. Who the fuck cares? If you’re putting out quality music, I could care less if the image is real or fake. Grow up, seriously. [/quote]
Chuck D just died a little inside. Integrity is everything. The essence of hip hop is speaking the truth. Hip hop was born out of the struggle and that’s what listeners identify with. If you want to live in a fake world go ahead, live a fake life and time will eat your soul. Some of us prefer the truth… You are a product of commercialised rap. Clap clap for that.
[quote]Soccerstr078 wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Soccerstr078 wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
supposedly Ghille the Kid was his ghostwriter which is why when Ghille stopped fucking with him Wayne’s whole flow switched up
which is why he went from this
to this
By that logic then Michael Jackson (RIP) must have had a Ghost writer as well.
which is why he went from this
to this
what is popular in regards to music is changing all the time. the style of particular artists change as well. it would be ignorant to say that because a few of an artists songs sound different than the rest that he is/was using a ghost writer
except lil wayne changed his entire persona in the span of 1 cd.
the Carter and Carter II sound NOTHING alike.
i’m not saying he had a ghostwriter, thats what some people think but his entire style did change dramatically.
The same could be said about Eminem (think about songs like Real Slim Shady, Ass like that, Without me, etc vs guilty conscience and his other darker songs. I haven’t heard anyone accuse Em of having a ghost writer. A lot of people like to hate on lil wayne (which I am not implying that you are doing) for seemingly no reason.[/quote]
Eminem just fell off.
he still puts together words really nicely
(cant get video) - YouTube
but he’s just not the same.
i mean granted Ghillie could be making the whole thing up. it’s just interesting that Ghillie calls him out etc and Wayne’s whole style changes. but it doesn’t matter that much - just putting out contemporary hip hop drama.
[quote]stockzy wrote:
Chuck D just died a little inside. Integrity is everything.[/quote]
Haha Chuck D was at Rock the Bells 50 pounds overweight shouting “Fight the Power” to 30,000 white guys waiting for Rage Against the Machine to come on. He was up there for 40 uninspired minutes with his reality-tv buddy Flava Flav.
Integrity? I think that little reunion tour had nothing to do with anything else besides money.
Every one of these guys sells out eventually, it’s just the nature of the beast. Either that or they fade away. It’s the same for rap as it is with any musical genre, that first album that blows up (either in terms of money or acclaim) changes everything. The great ones can adapt their style, the mediocre ones fade away.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
malonetd wrote:
Of course people are going to say Lil Wayne is great when he’s being compared to people like Asher Roth. What a fucking joke.
Might as well compare him to this, too:
One more to consider:
Read my comments again, I wasn’t comparing Wayne to Asher Roth. That’d be a waste of time. The title of the thread was “How’d Lil Wayne Get Famous, Again?”, right? So I think that was what I was answering. The comparison was to other famous rappers. If you have someone famous you prefer then by all means bring them up, no one’s stopping you.
[quote]and1bball4mk wrote:
Wayne is fucking wack. No, his mixtapes are NOT dope. They suck just as much as everything else. Dude has like 5 songs that are decent off his mixtapes. Mabye 3 decent songs on The Carter 2. Don’t even bring up The Carter 3, that shit was terrible.
And whoever is saying Immortal Technique is great, raw underground shit needs to get their ears checked. That dude is pretty wack too.
Check out Crooked I, Blu and Exile, Mos Def, Big L, Jeru the Damaja, and Murs for some dope shit.
And yes, Blackout 2 was fire. “Hope in my truck and roll up the window, AYO!” [/quote]
At least you posted some examples of what you though was better :)…
To be honest, other than Mos Def and Big L who I already knew about, the other guys weren’t impressive at all. The first two you mentioned seemed really boring, typical wordplay and flow, they were about as boring as The Game is, and there’s a guy who shouldn’t have been famous. Jeru the Damaja seemed somewhat interesting however, so thanks for reference. But maybe I just heard their worse songs, so if you wanted you could point out some stand out tracks.
I think Mos Def is really good (I’m loving his new album, it might be better than Black on Both sides IMO), but his kind of music ensures that his audience will have a limit. He is very talented though.
[quote]stockzy wrote:
That’s exactly what i said, memorising lines and spitting them on a track is not freestyling. Lil gay birdman kisser claims to freestyle all his so called genius.
Most of it is rumour but watch fade to black and you’ll see Jigga get ‘his rainman on’… He literally writes his verses in his head. That is pure fucking genius. This is what Lil Payne wishes he could do and is falsely claiming.
Chuck D just died a little inside. Integrity is everything. The essence of hip hop is speaking the truth. Hip hop was born out of the struggle and that’s what listeners identify with. If you want to live in a fake world go ahead, live a fake life and time will eat your soul. Some of us prefer the truth… You are a product of commercialised rap. Clap clap for that. [/quote]
LOL. That last paragraph was classic.
The poster above me got to it first, but if you really think these artists have that much more integrity than the obvious person then you’re mistaken.
And you kept mentioning Jay-Z as an example of a real artist. He’s not “commercialized rap”? You don’t think a guy who writes an anti-autotune song, then says he wasn’t talking about Lil Wayne, T-Pain, and Kanye West (the three most famous users) is faking it a bit? And shit, you don’t think a guy who’s mastered pop-rap and pretty much made the formula for the pop-rap album (with the Blueprint) is a commercial? I don’t think Jay-Z makes bad music (although his rapping’s been the weak part of his songs a lot of the time), but I don’t repect him for some notion of being ‘real’.
If I remember correctly, you were a musician yourself so I can see why you may hold these views. But music IS a part of the entertainment business, and liking commercial music shouldn’t be frowned upon.
And BTW, I don’t think you’re an unintelligent person at all, so don’t take any of this personally. I just think you’re completely wrong on this.
Listen to “The Frustrated N***a by Jeru.”
LarryDavid, I agree, every artist wants to be succesful, no point in hating. Also, it’s funny but the worse Jay-Z got as a rapper, the more popular he got (though I liked the Black Album).
Music is a lot about marketing. I don’t think Jay-Z is any kind of rapping rainman. Listen to the 7 minute freestyle I linked with him and Big L: by the end of verse 2, he clearly ran out of things to say and couldn’t actually freestyle for shit, instead ad-libbing random sounds.
Anyway, now that I’ve listened to a bunch of Lil Wayne shit, I can see how he got famous. He fell the f*ck off recently though.
Personally his best verse since 05’ is in sweetest girl, he has no autotune, the words flow and on actual paper they make sense unlike a lot of his other lyrics.
[quote]stockzy wrote:
Lil Payne is a rap artist, HE IS NOT a hip hop artist. Get the distinction right and everyone is happy.[/quote]
Is it like the distinction between crap and shit? Which one is he?
Of course I have never heard any of his music but I just assume that since it’s marketed to 12 year olds and that the drop outs who hang out at the corner store listen to it, it has to be garbage.