I’m even dropping my Tren dose down from 500mg to 350mg as of today simply due to some sides im experiencing such as lack of appetite and acid reflux (very minor but still there). These sides are probably because of my high test dose (350mg) so that will also be lowered to 250/300mg.
SB
Good choice, however it should be said if you were to run ridiculously high tren… firstly with you it appears to be acute in nature (I.e. running 7-900mg for a couple/few weeks out of a competition) not “I’m going to run 1000mg+ Weekly forever”
Secondly you’ve competed many times, in regard to this sport you’re a veteran, you have a VERY well developed frame… with you’re level of experience and dedication it’s fair enough to say tren usage is warranted, even in high dosages if that’s what you wish to do
You’re aware of the risks and don’t downplay the potential harms you may be inducing… you periodically get bloods/moniter yourself
That’s the right way to go about things.
It’s less about the stupidity and more about the refusal to impliment any kind of harm minimisation tactic, the reccomendations to others etc that bothers me the most. You could be smoking cigarettes and going skydiving on a daily basis without any prior training for all I care (including flying the plane lol), but if you outwardly reccomend these activities to others and downplay the risks involved (and fuck up the lives of others… in this case the one being significantly affected is the dudes girlfriend) I get irritated. On the other hand… skydiving sounds super fun so when I get back to Aus I’m going to save up until I can afford to try that
“Hey bro it’s not that dangerous, flying a plane without a pilots license is far easier than I anticipated, I’ve experienced no problems at all… I’ve only crashed once, you should def try it out”
Don’t forget that he puts himself in the category of someone who can run high tren with very few side effects 
I myself am able to run high doses of tren with what I would call very manageable side effects. And I couldn’t imagine using tren if I experienced even half of some of the crap iv seen him report.
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Its just my personal opinion. I think testosterone as a sole muscle building steroid is overrated and full of side effects. Testosterone is the male sex hormone it’s great at what it was designed to be used for replacing a man’s existing testosterone by using enough to put them in the above average range. A lot of guys run into a handful of side effects when they start going over trt doses of testosterone me being one of them. They have to start using other drugs to combat side effects like arimidex, aromasin, Nolvadex etc. I much prefer using trt doses of testosterone and stacking it with steroids that were actually designed to accomplish my goals of building muscle. Using this method I’m able to avoid the horrible side effects I get from using high doses of testosterone I also find it much more efficient in meeting my goals.
He does put himself into that category, and I’ve commented about this towards him for this before… and how it’s not true, tren has had profound impacts on his endocrine, neurological/psychiatric profiles
He’s on the AAS high. We’ve all been there, feeling invincible and god-like. I think it takes maturity to accept that its a temporary feeling and that you are not godly at all, something maybe he lacks. I’ve had too many injuries and sides to ride the AAS high and get caught up in it.
SB
I don’t mind using test to build muscle, I just don’t go above 250mg, there I get a mild enhancement… and that’s pretty much all I’m looking for
And thats completely fine. I’m by no means knocking people who’s choice it is to use testosterone to build muscle. Unlike our tren crazed forum brother I would never reccomend to someone I knew nothing about to use tren or any aas really. I always make a point when discussing my beliefs of testosterone and expressing my dislike of high test cycles to say it’s just my opinion that I have formed thru personal experience.
@Singhbuilder why the increase in test? I’m suprised to see you on this dose as I know we share many of the same beliefs about testosterone.
If I was to flat out cycle I’d use a drier compound with less predispensity towards inducing side effects. The look one gets on high test (say 300mg+) is typically rather unaesthetic
I think I’d take EQ or primo if I was to run high dosages along say 200mg test… and if I’m honest I almost certainly will run a flat out cycle in the future
After I’m healthy and lean again… then give it quite a few more months… then perhaps
Until then it’s 2-250mg test/wk, 250 maintains me at a cavg of around 13-1400ng/dl, supraphysiological/enough to have me feeling amazing but not enough to induce a deleterious effect on my haematological/lipid profiles… can’t say the same about long term cardiovascular health though… that’s a bit of a grey area
Yes it does, however one shouldn’t be so jaded as to expect feeling like that should be the new norm. I’ve experienced this amazing feeling… I know it’s temporary… you know it’s temporary… we all know it’s temporary, especially as the body re attains homeostasis to the higher dose… in which case you can either go off or be an absolute fucking idiot and continually increase the dosages.
Also being on that “high” doesn’t make it excusable to start cheating on you’re partner/force her into a position she doesn’t want to be in… sure you can say “she can say no” but she’s been with him for eight years, I’d be afraid to lose such a long term relationship, but if my partner was enough of an asshole to give me the ultimatum “either you let me sleep with other people or you’re gone” I’d dump him/her in a heartbeat, however when you’ve been with someone for eight years, formed an emotional connection… it’s easier said than done, and the fact that he has forced this on her (I didn’t say anything at the time but I’m fed up with the antics from this individual) is one of he most selfish things you can possibly do. Being on an AAS induced high doesn’t make it acceptable to act like a dickhead, and if you can’t control you’re emotions while on then you shouldn’t be using… people like him give AAS a bad name
The neurological effect stemming from love can (supposedly) be a rather addictive feeling. I’ve never been in love so I can’t understand/adequately comprehend why people do what they do when it comes to relationships (displaying affection, grand gestures, utter decoration to one another and so on/so forth)… that could also just be… autism but whatever I’m sure it’ll come with time. The chemical release stemming from the reaction of love (oxytocin, dopamine etc) can make it very difficult for one to detach once a relationship has ended… hence why (aside from manipulative tactics) people in the most toxic, shitty, abusive relationships tend to stay/find excuses to justify their partners behavior… even if said partner is a complete dingleberry
I’ve observed toxic relationships unfold, people sticking with terrible partners… I’ve offered insight/advice, many who say “but you don’t know him/her like I do”… well I know that he/she just cheated on you for the one millionth time, puts you down in front of you’re friends/his friends, uses manipulative tactics to make you feel as if his shitty behavior is you’re fault etc… there is no justifiable excuse for this kind of behavior, and whether the shitty partner is legitimately abusive or has his/her own moral/psychiatric qualms to deal with is not you’re concern at this point… at a certain point you’ve got to let people go or they’ll drag you down with them, they have their own shit to deal with, whether they get out alive is inconsequential to you… when bad behavior goes past the point of no return and the individual isn’t say… a close relative sometimes you have to let the person go and let them figure their own shit out (as difficult as this is to do), and sometimes they’ll redeem themselves/find whatever it is they’re looking for… other times they’ll fall further and further down the rabbit hole
@unreal24278
you’re very much like me. You know you’re not perfect, but you don’t try to pretend you are, and it doesnt stop your from sharing knowledge with someone that could help them, regardless of if it has helped you or not. I think that’s a good way to be👌
I was always under the impression that 400mg-500mg wasn’t THAT much test to run.
It is though. 4-500mg of anything is quite a bit to be using
People tend to use way more than they need to. 500mg is standard cycle dosage, and is the equiv of about 100mg tren
I absolutely hate this comparison. It’s the most ridiculous thing ever. The anabolic/androgenic ratio cross comparison of steroids needs to stop IMO. In no way shape or form does it actually translate into real life gains or anything of the sort.
Its like if somone is running 500mg tren it’s compared to 2500 mg of testosterone. But it doesn’t at all. The only way it’s comparitive is on paper and that’s it.
Not only that but the anabolic/androgenic ratings alone are extremely misleading on how they actually translate into use and how the steroid will work.
I disagree, and I’ll explain as to why
Use 500mg tren
Use 2500mg test
On cycle with 2500mg test you eat 4000 cals with idk a 50-30-20 macronutrient spread
Same with 500mg tren 100mg test
On the test cycle you balloon up with water weight, you put on 25 lbs, come off and retain 12
On the tren cycle you gain 12 lbs and retain 12 lbs (say you go down to trt)
On the test cycle you put 60lbs on you’re bench, keep 40
On the tren cycle you put 100lbs on you’re bench, you keep 40
In the end which was more potent? They’re both about the same
In terms of the effect on you’re lipids 100mg tren certainly equates to 500mg test
I agree with the notion on paper ratings doesn’t always equate to real life (as in 10mg var daily certainly isn’t as potent as 600mg test weekly as paper would have you believe)… but with tren specifically the paper rating seems to hold fairly true
Oh… and in the terms of harm to the cardiovascular tren can induce I’d say 100=500mg
And this is where I complety disagree. For me someone who is fairly developed I am not going to make the same gains from the test as i am the tren. It comes down to the mechanisms of action of the steroids. If I were to run exactly what you have laid out above I guarantee my test results would be no where near what my tren results are. You got to take Into consideration the nutrition partioning effects of tren the increased thermogenic effects and so many other variables to compare the two based on anabolic/androgenic ratios alone is obsurd IMO
Not even to mention that I dont believe running 2 grams of testosterone is going to yield much more results then running 1 gram of testosterone. The point of diminished returns for testosterone is much lower then tren which that alone makes comparing the two impossible in my eyes. Where as 1 gram of tren is going to yield much more significant results then 500mg. Shit I noticed a major difference from running 400mg of tren then running 700.
I fully agree. I didn’t say being on AAS god-mode gives you a free pass to be a douche. Anyone who becomes so, was probably already a douche somewhat. I know for me, AAS do make me cocky and arrogant, but i recognise this and can continue be my trueself even when internal thoughts say something else. Or maybe thats just my bipolar…
SB
You have bipolar disorder? I didn’t know that about you
I do indeed, hence why I have to be VERY careful with my choice of AAS. But over time I’ve managed to deal with it, I do have periods when I have to seek isolation though so I don’t end up saying things to loved ones that I may not usually say.
SB
I actually have no idea brother. I guess it’d been so long without high test I’d forgotten why I dont use it anymore. Im now reminded of why I dont go above 200mg.
SB
No offence, but wouldn’t trenbolone be a bad choice due to the particular set of neurological side effects it has the potential to induce