Looking to plan out my second cycle. First was Test E 500/wk, felt great, monitored bloods and didn’t need an AI. Clomid PCT
I’m thinking about
1-12 500 mg/wk Test E
1-5 30 Mg /day dbol
8-14 Anavar 50 mg/day
Clomid PCT
(Obviously AI on hand, starting with .25 mg 2x a week as symptoms show up)
what kind of progress did you make on your first cycle?
Why clomid over Nolvadex?
Probably kept around 15-20 lbs of clean mass with good strength gains
No particular reason. There’s mixed reviews seems to be 50/50 and I had no issues with clomid so don’t see a reason to switch
I love this cycle layout. You should get some serious, quality results from this.
Thanks for the feedback!
dbol and anavar kinda seems counterproductive?
Nah they’re spaced apart, whilst the two could be used together to theoretically create a “full, hard and grainy” look, the users rhetoric here is to spend the 1st five weeks bulking and then perhaps wks 8-14 cutting down and/or recomping… it’ll work pretty well… aside from potentially his poor lipids (even then… very much genetic)
Var is used up til wk 14 as PCT starts wk 15, with the washout period consisting of dwindling test concentrations, the var being used will keep the user consistently surpraphysiologic, with the short HL of oral AAS… it can be used right up until the last minute prior to initiation of PCT.
Pretty spot on with my philosophy, var should help solidify/clean up my gains at the end
I’m also considering going down to 25 mg of dbol for 4 weeks. from what I’ve read a little seems to go a long way and the returns seem to be diminished and just end up with more E2 problems and other sides
20mg is my limit. I put on some small, incremental weight, I get a little stronger, and it all adds up to a bloat-free, feel-good time. I’ve been cutting (pretty unsuccessfully because my body is a giant contradiction) and the dbol has helped keep me from feeling like dog shit while lifting. A little goes a long way if the goal is clean, keepable size. If you want all out weight then yes, take huge doses and get massive. But those gains aren’t loyal and they’ll leave you before you can say “what does elevated AST mean?”.
Also would like to add what my weekly training looks like. I do mostly compounds and I train Upper Lower 4x a week (sometimes skipping my second lower body day so I don’t have to keep buying new jeans + added recovery) and Jiu Jitsu Training 2-3x a week, so overall pretty intense. Gonna have to eat a shit ton of cal
yeah keep a log in here, I’m interested to see how you progress. my second blast I’m going to use one or the other, so I have the alternative drug in my arsenal for future use.
So I can relate… 20mg dbol and I don’t appear to retain much water at all… but I get acne, feel shitty (like… just down in general, though that may just be withdrawal symptoms associated with abrupt stoppage of SSRI)… heartburn, bp increased fro hypotensive ranges to optimal ranges (this never happens)… didn’t notice much in the way of strength gains like many associate the drug with… at least nothing I would get on test alone…
I did however put on 2kg of what seems to be relatively lean mass, 2kg that’s stayed since discontinuation
Was your cycle dbol only or did you run it with test?
Ran it with 250mg test 100mg mast (used the Dbol for 2wks)
Now I’m just on 250mg test weekly (sustaining mildly pharmacological testosterone concentrations… around 1300ng/do at 250mg, free t say 1.5x ref range
In 6 wks I’ll drop down to 150
Would you ever increase dosages? Just to get into them wolverine ranges haha
What’s wolverine ranges? Like what Hugh Jackman probably used to get into wolverine esque shape?
Idk, I currently look bigger than most of the populace (like 95 percent + of grown men) so I see no need to increase dosages, I’d post a pic but I’ve mentioned prior my camera is broken. I’ve come a loooooonnnng way since my last pic that was posted in July or something.
I can give my measurements though.
My arms are small, 14.8 inches, but my neck is 18.5 inches relaxed chest is 43.5 relaxed, waist is 29 inches, I have very broad shoulders and it creates the illusion of me being a decent bit bigger than I actually am (that coupled with my large neck and traps)
With that in mind, and the fact I can out lift legitimately everyone within my cohort (not bragging here, just stating) I see no need to use higher dosages. Perhaps I could theoretically compete in relation to my deadlift strength at hmm though weight class if I add another 15kg or so to my 1rm, still though I’m all about harm minimisation… if I don’t seriously have a chance at being the best in the world I’ll stick to lower dosages… it’s a big decision to make (using higher dosages), that I’m thinking about with the utmost detail. I believe one of the reasons I use non prescribed AAS is to mask the emotional pain and torment I’ve harboured for so many years in regard to the way people have treated me in the past. Subconsciously, a part of me believes I’m inadequate, and building a ton of muscle to mask such subliminal thought patterns isn’t healthy… thus I need to work my shit out
Furthermore, I do simply use partly because I like the look they give me, I enjoy training multiple hours per day even after long days lifting things to make money.
I believe a lot of people who use AAS secretly harbour long repressed, undealt with insecurities (not saying all, as many on here do just use recreationally with no other motive, this is the best type of user with the most control). Others may use it as a crutch to stay off illicit substances (the drug addict gone AAS user seems awfully present within many fitness communities, so say swapping one vice for another. Others are just reckless and use varying excuses to justify retard doses like “I’m going to compete in bodybuilding”, yet they haven’t even gone to one show yet… like seriously lol, how about try a show on lower dosages, see how you place first before you use mega doses… some people have the potential and others don’t, putting ones everything in an endeavour that involves irreparably damaging you’re body is merely irresponsible and short sighted (in my opinion, others are open to their own interpretation). And if you’re on say 500mg test 1500mg eq 500mg Tren, 150mg anadrol daily 4iu gh daily for first Comp (arbitrary compounds and numbers)… hows it going to look for you on the Olympia stage?
Androgen receptors downregulate in response to high doses over tome, similar to many rec drugs, you need higher and higher doses over tome to elicit the same result. On R/steroids I read about one guy who has used seven grams of Tren per week. SEVEN FUCKING GRAMS… that’s the equivalent of 35000mg test weekly
It should also be mentioned I’ll probably be behaving terribly in Europe, AAS + irresponsible behaviour is not a combination known for longevity… don’t want to end up in a holding cell from a Tren fueled fight or something.
It means becoming jacked like wolverine. Hugh jackedman
Me personally I reckon they put him on tren for his later movies. Grainy as fuck