How to Fix High SHBG without Test?

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hey, guys…I’m tired of searching the internet about high SHBG. I’m quite young, can’t afford TRT nor do I have hypogonadism and the doctors right here are idiots. So yeah, I read some use oral glucocorticoids (sounds crazy, but they swear it drops SHBG without supressing HPTA). well, while on cutting my SHBG go sky high and thanks to massive doses of clonazepam (can’t sleep on cutting diet) it kills my sex drive.

can someone please tell me how can I drop this nasty thing to unbound my FREE T, without TRT? no doctor here will put me on TRT. Proviron is supressive if I use it with clomid? pretty please, help me out

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So… when you cut weight you take massive doses of Clonazepam nightly… this is like the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard

If you can’t sleep, change up you’re diet. Benzodiazepines are highly habit forming/addictive (though I never particularly found there to be any recreational abuse potential within them aside from anxiety reduction), they do potentiate the effects of other depressants… but that also comes with the wonderful side effect of potentially fatal respiratory depression (obviously there’s a threshold here, if you’re taking benzodiazepines to sleep and you have say, one beer you probably won’t drop dead, but you get my drift.)

Regardless, the dependence liability of benzodiazepines and the abuse potential isn’t a joke. Have you ever seen benzodiazepine withdrawal, do you know what the potential consequences of benzodiazepine withdrawal can be (hint… death)…

Get the idea of more drugs out of you’re head. If you’re bf is in the single digits, bulk back up to 12-14 percent… consume adequate amounts of nutrients, get off the benzodiazepines and sleep adequately. You don’t have high shbg/low free t due to any medical ailment, you’re self inducing this condition

If you’re aware of all this and wish to keep going ahead then fine, can’t stop you there and at least you’ve made an informed decision… If you’d arent aware of these revelations (which I think you aren’t)… then stop being an idiot

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okay, so you made your point, being agressive and blah,blah,blah. you can have a different opinion without throwing rocks on me. well, I don’t want to fight you and ironically, you did not have answered my question…

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I’m being aggressive because I’ve seen the consequences up close regarding benzodiazepine addiction. Not to mention the long term neurological impacts.

There is no answer to you’re question. You can’t fix it whilst cutting aggressively, taking “massive doses” benzodiazepines, sleeping inadequately. Oral glucocorticoids have more side effects than they do benefits in you’re situation. Corticosteroids are catabolic in nature, and prolonged use will fuck you up beyond belief. Even short duration use of corticosteroids without adequate monitering/weaning via medical professionals will induce a profound state of withdrawal… continue taking them too starve off withdrawl symptoms and you will actually acquire hypogonadism… while on the drugs you’ll probably notice weight gain (in the form of fat mass)… there are so, soo many complications associated with the use of glucocorticoids I can’t even begin here… it’s just such a terrible idea… I’m getting a cortisone shot into my subacromail bursa as a LAST resort in a few days, and even then, repeated injections will induce degeneration of the joint (granted there’s already probably fairly significant damage to the joint). Was going to use deca, but decided to try the cortisone shot first, if it doesn’t work out and the pain comes back it’s nandrolone time (ABSOLUTE last resort)… then as the absolute absolute absolute last resort it’s off to see an orthopaedic surgeon

You’re young, so I understand the notion of drug experimentation… but you’re using “massive dosages of clonazepam” every day, it’s already going to be a very arduous journey to get off that… get you’re shit together…

If you decide to use AAS to lower SHBG (bad idea) at a young age then you’d certainly strike me (you currently do lol) as one of the more impulsive, reckless types (similarly to myself)… But I’ll tell you this, without adequate knowledge regarding risks/rewards or insight to make certain decisions you’ll end up killing yourself or ending up in rehab.

Perhaps @zeek1414 can provide some extra insight here to deter you…

It’s not about having a different opinion… it’s that using Benzos nightly to sleep because “I’m cutting” then going way up to fucking massive doses is a stupid, stupid, stupid, retarded thing to do… You’re WILLINGLY becoming dependent to one of the hardest recreational drugs to kick (and it doesn’t take long to form a dependence, roughly 2-3 weeks for most… I assume you’re past that point). I’ve used temazepam before (intermittently)… I actually just used it to fall asleep on an 18 hour flight wherein I was cramped and my back reaaalllly hurt… but I’m not going to keep using it daily… I’m not stupid enough to be doing that, and tbh I shouldn’t be using it on flight in the first place, especially considering I don’t have a prescription

I’m not being passive aggressive to put you down… I’m being passive aggressive to TRY help you out before this spirals out of control (which it will). But the truth is, if you’re an addict, you’re judgement will be impaired, and you’ll (sometimes) be convinced you don’t have a problem even when you’re a full blown addict.

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Unreal gives some real good advice and he’s very well read in pharmacology. Listen to him.

I’m a studied pharmacists myself and I have to second his points.
I took benzos sometimes in the past and I got them at home but they are not intended to be used by young guys who diet and they are not for regular use, never. Fix your sleep problems. Fix your diet. I have sleep issues too but medication is not a long term solution because it negatively impacts sleep quality and has many side effects.

The second suggestion you made is even worse. Corticosteroids are some of the most side effect ridden compounds. They induce these side defects EVERY TIME they are used with great reliability.
The notion to use them to FIX your endocrine system (besides Morbus Addison) is absolute garbage. Read about Cushing’s syndrome and other side effects. Then reconsider.

I know we are not answering the question how to lower SHBG, but there are so many problems with your medical history that you have to fix these things first. We can help you with that and work our way up.

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Benzodiazepine use isn’t distinguished by an age bracket. Many young guys use them via prescription (acutely) for crippling anxiety (panic attacks) and other ailments such as severe insomnia (once again… short term), and these have largely been phased out by z-drugs (non benzodiazepine hypnotics)

Then there’s the bracket who use them recreationally (which I can’t wrap my head around… they… for me at least don’t induce a euphoric and/or good feeling you’d expect from something like alcohol) but even then it’s typically a once off, not DAILY use in MASSIVE doses.

If op needs to sleep, perhaps invest in some melatonin (of which one can also form a very mild dependence too, but isn’t an issue and won’t induce life crippling ailment like Benzo addiction can)… then there’s z-drugs… but once again, unless you have serious, SERIOUS insomnia it’s a bad idea… and if you’re on them I’d suggest not using for more than 3-5 days… but I wouldn’t suggest doing it at all

Hell I’d even prefer someone smoke weed daily at night to fall asleep (including the act of smoking) then to use benzodiazepines/z drugs daily…

Depending on how long you’ve been using daily I’d suggest (if it’s been over say 2 wks) going to a doctor, asking for help regarding weaning off… as you won’t be able to do it on you’re own.

Then again (I’m an exception here) after I was put on TRT I was initiated on daily, round the clock opiate pain meds to control my chronic pain. When I felt I didn’t need them anymore I quit cold turkey (keep in mind this is after months of prolonged use)… this is an EXTREME exception to the norm

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“To be used by young guys who diet” was the point.

Melatonin would be his best bet.

I don’t agree with daily weed being better for you than benzos (especially at a really young age). And OP don’t take this thread as an excuse to smoke daily joints.

It’s a trend in my country right now to use benzos recreationally but I can’t understand that either. I hate the way you feel on them.

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I do agree… I’m not telling him to use weed… as it’s bad for you when used frequently… however, the potential for addiction/consequences that come off regarding weed vs benzodiazepines and the demonstrated sheer deleterious effect on cognition from use is far more serious with benzodiazepines compared to cannabis

You can’t compare the two regarding just how much harm they have the potential to induce. HOWEVER, there are always exceptions.

In terms of recreational potential… I think cannabis wins hands down, instills a sense of euphoria

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Boric acid (a knife tip amount, will translate to 10-15mg boron), lugols iodine (1 drop, worth 12.5mg iodine), 15mg zinc, teaspoon creatine (to increase DHT, will bind to SHBG) & magnesium, with meals.

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Don’t do the iodine. Everything else, okay.

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Sorry to hijack OP but I didn’t want to open a new thread.

Unreal, what’s your thoughts on statins. I’m personally not a big fan but can you give me your opinion?

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Don’t take the zinc and magnesium together. They compete for absorption. I’m not saying don’t take them, just not together. Don’t expect a little creatine to boost DHT particularly, but it help your HDL’s.

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if you’re got serious familial hypercholesterolemia they can save lives… so they certainly have merit

Like all medications they come with risk/benefit ratios, weigh up the pros vs the cons… for those with congenital disorders regarding lipid regulation they’re fantastic

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Would you feel comfortable sharing and elaborating more on this experience in greater detail?

Sorry to raise this thread from the dead.