I’ll vouch for the wrestling,It definitely helps.You also need good targeting skills.If you can punch accurately and quickly you will beat a mad bomber any day of the week.Good kicking skills will also come in handy. Evasion is also important.Getting hit or stabbed can make you a loser.Believe me, If you get into a situation, you do not want to lose. Someone like me will capitalise on any weakness and shred you to peices.
Don’t start fights. It might be someone like me that you are starting with,and if you pick someone that you know you can beat on,that just makes you a puss.
Road Warrior is correct.
I fight a lot. I want to go pro in mma. I’ve been in more street fights than I can count. Fighting is all i can remember.
But in no way would I fuck with anyone in special forces.
Just watch Walker Texas Ranger. You will learn all you ever need to know.
“'Cause the eyes of the ranger are upon you…”
I find it great that most fighting styles condition their students with running.
You need to learn how to run before you learn how to fight. Get it?
Unless you’re in competition, I wouldn’t learn to fight to be the aggressor. The law wasn’t written to help people like you. It was written for the guy who gets beaten.
If you get involved in martial arts, make sure they are focusing more on actual applications/fighting more so than just forms (I’ve seen Taichi and chinese kungfu guys hold their own better than some Tae Kwon Do guys from the difference in actual fighting experience). Wrestling/grappling can be good, but I’ve seen guys who “just wrestle” get knocked out from a lack of experience streetfighting fisticuffs.
Personally, western boxing or chinese boxing (wing chun or xingyi), MMA, or just some basic self-defensive military training is good, but its only as good and useful as you make it out to be (in otherword, practice physically and mentally, and any sparring you do, keep it simple, keep it real). But fight when you need to (when your physical wellfare is on the line, not because someone called you names or spilled a drop of milk on your Jordans) and when it will be worth the consequences. Because if you act like a hard ass and think your a tough guy, you may end up in a place filled with real hard asses who know they are tough guys, with guards who won’t be afraid to wup ya in line.
Anybody here done krav maga? They have a gym down the street from me, I was thinking about joining.
From what I about Krav Maga, it was designed for the Isreali Military with the purpose of disabling an opponent as fast as possible with the least amount of effort. They practice alot of situational techniques. For instance if someone tries to choke you from behind or comes at you with a knife, you are taught to disarm and actually injure them. It is very very functional for “street” applications.
If I am off base, please some one correct me. It seems very useful for self defense.
Personally I’m partial to Muay Thai.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
I usually just fall to the ground play dead. They quit kicking you after a while. The hard part is learning not to whimper when they’re kicking you - that takes balls, my friend.[/quote]
Damn funny…
“There is is difference between gaining strength from lifting lumps of iron and gaining strength fighting for your life.”
Krav Maga is legit…the striking is mostly from muay thai and i believe keidokan(sp?) karate (a lot of fells who compete in keidokan compete in K-1)
Wing Chun i’m not partial too…I’ve trained it and can do forms on the mook jong, i even learned the bill jee form though i’m not ranked high enough to do so… Hell i can use butterfly knives…so its not like i’ve never done it.
But there’s really no such thing as the ‘trapping range’ which is really what wing chun works in. If you tried to trap with me, i’m going to clinch your neck shuck you downward and throw Wanderlei Silva type knees into your noggin.
If someone’s hand is by my face, i’ll slap it down. I don’t need to call it a ‘pak sao’ or a ‘jook sao’ or use 80 different variations of forms on how to learn every possible way to pak sao. Cause no matter what SOMEONE will punch at you different, and your trained reaction won’t be alive enough for you to adapt to that that strange movement.
Learn the basics…and spar. A lot.
Xingyi or Hsingi… Along with Tai Chi Chuan (or Taiji) and Baguazhang (or Pa Kua). Are martial arts that strangely enough I would endorse.
But if you want to learn to fight… its not reccomended. It’ll take you yeaaaaaarsssss to learn how to barely defend yourself in one of those three internal martial arts.
You can walk into a Krav Maga school for a few hours…or take one of their weekend seminars that’d be ideal and you can whoop most ass.
But what I like in those three systems is that they train drills over and over, and so many forms, but they train each form in a more realistic way till you get to two person forms, next thing you know your free fighting.
In the higher level’s though… they almost look like they’re kickboxing. (after about 5-6yrs)
So skip all the BS and go kickbox 
if you somehow are blessed enough by the God of War to have some sort of filipino martial art in your area I reccomend that too.
Arnis, Kali, Escrima, Pekiti Tersia, etc.
A lot of that is real real grimy fighting.
“Ok take your hand, shove it up his ass, grab his eyes, bring them out of his ass and point them at his shoes then tell him that he forgot to tie them…ready…go”
Hyperbole but you get the point. Kung Fu San Soo is a lot like that too, but only talk to the guy if they trained under or with Bill Lasiter otherwise they probably will just teach you Karate Kid style blocks.
-Xen
Xen, holy shit, dude…I had no idea you were this knowledgeable about fighting…do you compete or anything? MMA?
training as we speak…
[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
A Moment of Xen:
“500.”
“500 what dipshit?! spits on his shoes”
takes off jacket to reveal rugged muscles tattoos and scar’s
“500 Fights. Thats the number I figured when I was a kid. The number of street fights you would need to have to be considered a legitimate tough guy…”
He continues…
“A funny thing happens on the way to 500, suddenly it doesn’t become about the number anymore, you begin to lose track and its at that moment that you realize what you’ve become- and you learn a very important lesson…”
head butts opponent, opponent falls and continues to beat on him till unconcious.
---------------------------------… brief explanation.
The biggest fight you’ll ever have is to avoid a fight. Which is what I reccomend that you practice. If you’re going to have to fight- Hit first, hit hard, and keep fucking hitting.
(I’ve been involved in some kind of combat sport all my life. But until i went to juvy for 3 months I didn’t know shit about fighting…yes juvy is small time blah blah learned a lot from it assholes.)
If you want to learn to fight I encourage you to take up wrestling and boxing. No kung fu-y stuff. You’ll just your ass beat. If someone says something stupid like you’ll break your hands boxing (which in some cases is true but just because they hit so fucking hard to silly targets)… then open your hands.
Sound stupid? Sound like you’re bitch slapping someone?
Getting slapped by your mom/gf with an arm slap is lot different then getting PALMED by a fucking man. You can probably download some japanese pankration fights off kazaa or something… Frank Shamrock, and Bas Rutten fought in a few all open handed strikes. You can devestate someone with your open hands. No “shuto” knife hand shit…but just straight up palms.
Same boxing mechanics, just open hands.
Kickboxing is good, Only muay thai though (or san da if you find a qualified instructor which there are about 4 in the country (?) )but the most thing you can benefit from that [muay thai] is the clinch work. Where most fights end up before they end up on the ground. Finish it there, and you can fight his friends.
Greco Roman wrestling will help you to finish the fight standing also. (Clinch work again)
A list of martial arts to look into.
Folkstyle/Collegiate Wrestling
Greco Roman Wrestling
Brazillian Jiujitsu
Muay Thai Kickboxing
Western Boxing
You can no doubt find a boxing gym, and your high school probably has a wrestling team. Box, and befriend the coach/team member ask if you can train with them in the off season, or if he’ll show you how to wrestle, just how to defend takedowns if anything.
If you’re lucky you might have a “Straight Blast Gym” in your area. If thats the case do whatever is necessary to train there. You won’t regret it.
Unless you already have a SUBSTANTIAL base and a dedicated training partner, don’t train from a video.
That being said, its definitely hard to synergise boxing and wrestling because they two different animals. Stand up fighting…moving thru the clinch…takedown to the ground.
At one time when i was training each separately (wrestling with a club and boxing at a dedicated gym), little nuances I picked up change the game from soley wrestling or soley boxing to actually FIGHTING. These I picked up though by holding my own mini UFC’s. I’d get headgear, and an assortment of gloves (boxing, mma, jkd styled ones) and go to the nearest large flat grassy area with some friends from either sport and just work it out.
I’m not encouraging that at all… you’ll get hurt (a lot). But what i’m saying is that you a lot of fighting is EXPERIENCE.
You’re going to learn anything by practicing forms or even hitting the heavy bag all the time. Fighting has to be ALIVE.
ALL of that said…
1.Go find a boxing gym & learn how to sprawl.
Or some sort of fight qualified instructor. Something where you spar. (Not taekwondo…thats fag tag, NOT sparring)
You’re not gonna learn shit by just reading a website or watching tape. No one becomes a good fighter through video-jitsu.
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Get your cardio up, 20seconds in a street fight will tax you more than you think.
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Get your sprinting speed up to. Cause if they have a knife or something. If the opportunity is there, I’m not going to pull a Jackie Chan, I"m going to pull a Carl Lewis and be GONE.
Clickity Clack,
-Xen[/quote]
xen, the wisdom and composure of this post has led me to believe you are one cool mofo:)
xen where you train im training for NAGA and soon to be moving to dallas to train with the machado bros
rj, you crack me up, meng
haha…i’m an ok guy.
right now i’m training at bodyshot’s in rancho cucamonga (please kill me). It’s not bad but it’s not mma per say.
I’m going to train at Millenia Jiujitsu when I get the chance (kinda expensive)…
Unless i get to move back out to LA and train at 10th planet jiujitsu and at the Bomb Squad. That would be ideal.
We’ll see what happens that’s up in the air for now.
I used to train with the kid who won grappler’s quest west under 17 division… beat him on a regular basis (we’re same size and weight, he’s a lil taller) and i’ve never had any really formal grappling training (other than wrestling with a club)…so shrug I think I have a good chance at it. We’ll see how my natural athleticism holds up.
Good luck at NAGA by the way! Kick some ass!
join your wrestling team at HS, and learn some striking i.e. boxing, kickboxing. great combo
. . . pulls belt up around stomach, sticks chest out all puffy-like . . .
Well, I’m gonna be the odd-man out and say crotty, being a crotty-man and all.
One suggestion made earlier was: look around at the schools/gyms/whatevers around you, and decide which group and style fit you best.
Another thing you’ll have to consider is the expediency of the training - do you need to be ready to rumble (in a jungle perhaps) NOW, or do you feel like taking a long learning curve? Both, and the myriad of training methodoligies between, will leave you capable of defence.
Me, I’ve had to defend myself a few times (one knife, one drunk asshat, a few spit-n-bit) and have found my karate (heavily influenced by my expediency-minded ex-teacher) to be worthwhile.
Of course, I don’t do MMA, and haven’t had a violent, non-training encounter in some time.
But that could be because I’m 50lbs heavier.
I agree with a LOT of the posts here. Xen has some good advice…and RoadWarrior certainly has the BEST advice (yet there is a risk to your life in that route.
Quickly…I have done MA for over 17 years (even taught some)…I have a friend who is a former Ranger/Delta (and more…) who taught me (as a friend) more in 5 minutes about REAL warriors (Killers, more like it…said with nothing but respect, guys) than I ever learned in MA. I was fortunate enough to have quite a few of these 5 minute sessions…And these 5 minute lessons helped me more in all of my street fights than I can say…saved my butt in a few cases, really.
But, to be fair to the Martial Arts that take a long time to “master”: There are more benefits in the martial arts than only learning fighting.
And these benefits are only earned through YEARS of training. There are no shortcuts.
but this thread is about fighting…not the “other” benefits of MA, so I’ll stop.
Just to keep it fair, that’s all.
Keep aware, stay tuff, be strong.
Trailblazer